It's Origin time once again

12/20 and more likely 15/20 is a big majority that have no chance.Unless Vic maths is different. Never mentioned Poland(that is a porkie). Ukraine,Lebanese,Jamaican,Norwegian, govt depts certainly know, they gave their assent for recognition.Did I suggest the populace did? I am not particularly concerned how many people attend boothrowing,I am not that demographic(whatever that is).What korball ,farnarkling does and what recognition they have,has zilch to do with the RLWC and what recognition and fundings the code of rl has achieved. Whilst we try to enjoy the RLWC and the other events ,you can relax knowing your one comes up in 2015.And I will not spend my ill gotten hours on a ru thread (as you d on a rl one) looking desperately for negatives. Your knowledge of what goes on in rl overseas, is evident by your comments,it is found wanting so often. Still await your source on the $5m profit made in the bootthrowing.I will accept if true,not if it is BS.

OK, last word (on my part) 11/20 is a majority, therefore one more is not a considerable or vast majority - that would be 15 plus. Just because boot throwing is not a western sport does not mean it does not have many followers - I doubt the fans in Poland or the Ukraine have even heard of league - sports like Bandy and Korfball which hardly anyone would know in the west are widely played and even recognised by the IOC (league is not), so I feel it can be mentioned in an international context.

You are not reading my point.12 teams with no chance ,8 (more likely 5) with any chance.12 is a considerable majority(out of 20)unless you believe in a new maths. That is not the point , as there is no pro or semi pro examples with the code you cited being played outside this country.Govt funding and grants also are examples of the impact a code makes.The point is the code is getting full govt recogntion and as a result funding in these new countries,even to the extent of Eurozone grants.And not relying on a host of expats to boot. Serbia has 3 divisions senior,(u18 league and a student comp.Thye in fact play other countires in rt. Might I further remind you and it is getting rather tiresome, that running concurrently in the UK as part of the RLWC,there will be as follows:- A Student rugby league world cup with teams from Australia,England,Ireland,NZ,Russia,Scotland,South Africa and Wales. A Women;s Rugby League world cup with teams from Australia,England,France,NZ,Russia,Samoa and tonga A Police RugbyLeague world cup with teams : Australia,Fiji,Great Britain and NZ Armed Forces Rugby League world cup competing team: Australia,Great Britain,NZ,Russia,Serbia. A Wheelchair rugby league world cup competing teams:Australia,England,France,Scotland and Wales. Now for you to compare boot throwing, and intnl AFL in the same breath with the above(including the RLWC),shows your trolling has reached a new level of desperation to seek rl negatives and indeed laughs.

Well, at least I got you to agree that 8 out of 20 is a decent majority, not as you put it a 'vast majority'. I would say that semi pro teams in england, wales, aust, png, nz and france makes it very anglo centric - the only exception being France. The AFL also has many teams playing in quite a number of countries, and good on them and league for giving the people a taste in another sport.

Good crowd with the promo,it's not the first time codes have used something similar eg half price,kids for free,under12 free,family pass Monday night is a cow of a night to go out for many.At least we know this and last year there is no figure fudging. This sort of thing should be the norm down there,especially with ch9s attitude down south.

The melbourne storm promo of bring a mate for free must have worked for over 18000 to turn up on a monday night although i dont know the numbers they got to last years game?

I believe crowds for the Panthers and Tigers have been affected by the loss of popular players and indeed good players to other clubs Oikee. Penrith lost Luke Lewis a favourite son to Cronulla and Michael Gordon,plus Jennings to the Roosters. Then the Tigers lost Beau Ryan a very popular player and Heighington to the sharks. Some people follow players nearly as much as the club itself. Parra had a shocker in 2012,and Hindy retired(a very popular ) player,all these must be taken into consideration.50 to blotto last week against the Roosters hardly helped Parra's crowds,a win may be the icing they neeeded for the cake. It all comes in cycles.Clubs go through tough times,with average crowds and on the up get the crowds.

When boot throwing gets anywhere near the official govt recognition and funding that rugby league has received and will be receiving get back to me.And of course when it it has professional and semi pro teams in France,England,Wales,PNG,NZ and Australia.And the $5m profit??? Of course it will be contested in Rio LOL.. http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/400/rl-receives-full-government-recognition http://www.bebrl.com/articles.php?id=189 http://www.rugbyleaguenorge.com/about-us/ None Anglo centric.I could have thrown in Ghana,Jamaica ,and Trinidad & Tobago. And it appears rugby league being played in countries such as Norway,Italy and Serbia and growing is also not well known here.And I might add not relying on expats. Westminster has a rugby league Parliamentary group. Um!!! 12 missing out out of 20 is a decent majority,The 8 was a generous figure that had any chance ,5 closer to the mark.I look at the last 2011 results and scorelines as a test. Boot throwing may well be your forte,rugby league internationally is certainly not. BTW I was brought up on ru at school ,and watched the first RWC held here and NZ in 87,and the semi against France at Concord Oval,I know a little about the game. i am again being moderated for defending rugby league in a rl thread,you sure have influence Clip.

The crowds have been OK, if they are pretty low i like to sink the boot in, reality is they are not too bad. 11 thousand is ok for a Monday or Sunday night.

Boot throwing is officially recognised by the Olympic committee and I would not call 8 out of 20 'a vast majority' and I don't nearly spend as much time as I would like at the events as they are not very anglo centric and therefore not well known here.

Blown out of the water LOL. Coat it in as much chocolate as you like,when it melts ,the unsweetened core does not change. 20 teams with how many with a realistic chance not an outside chance? 6 at best (and that view is shared by some ru types),even taking it to the extremes 8, the ovewhelming majority still prevails.The rest making up the numbers.150 countries play the game. You apparently spend a lot of time at boot throwing events ,which I find doubtful ,(not quite as much time as trolling) ,I guess when they get official recognition as a cat 3 sport(early stage) in the Commonwealth games,receive govt funding and recognition and have teams playing in a regular season comp,secure British Govt backing at Westminster with a rugby league members support group, secure Euro Zone funding,then they can smile knowingly.Or they can get absolutely smashed like they do at the Honker's 7s. Please reference the $5m made by the so called gumboot throwing event. No one is suggesting the RLWC will be a huge competitive tournament but there will be no doubt competitive games just as there was with PNG and England in 08),you seem to be the one in a lather. You were the one who initially brought up the odds ,for the point scoring exercise one comes to expect.

I followed the odds for Wales and they never got out anywhere near that far out - maybe, as the bet source suggests, it was during a live game. As the odds for the top 10 I've given suggest, any team under 20-1 has a realistic chance, no matter how small, of winning - so your 'vast majority' theory is blown out the water. As I have said, there's nothing wrong with having only 2 or 3 teams that have any chance of winning with the rest just making up the numbers - as long as fans and players have a good time - I've been to the boot throwing world cup, and everyone there had a ball, they made $5 million and even if just 2 teams dominated, no one thought it was a huge competitive tournament

It was all under rugblivebet and referred as I did to the 2011 RWC.And those odds and no doubt the current ones for the RWC will also show the" uncompetitveness" of the vast majority of teams involved. IOW about 5 with a real chance( and there is nothing wrong with that),and that code is a global one we are constantly reminded. So again your point about the RLWC a much smaller international code is hardly insightful as there are teams with extremely long odds involved in both.ie making up the numbers and no doubt having fun. RL people who follow the Intnl game are aware of this,and as FitzSimons often states,its the glory of competing that is paramount,when he sees teams get streeted in RWCs,and in the next breath calls the RLWC teams in the same position a farce.The hypocrisy by him is overwhelming. It(long odds) for some teams is therefore no different for the RLWC,so your initial statement is telling us nothing new.

Of course it's good the rest have fun and make up the numbers, but the odds represent how uncompetitive the next four outside the top 3 are. BTW the next four outside the top three at the 2015 Rugby WC are Aust $8, France $8, Wales $12 (don't know where $126 came from) and Ireland $19.Quite a difference!

Why the concern about betting odds for the RLWC13.Most people know 3 teams have a realistic chance ,the rest to make the numbers and/or at least be competitive.They are all going one would assume to do their best for the country they represent. I took the opportunity(in view of the dig at the RLWC odds) to look at the betting odds for the RWC11. Wales ranked 7th from 50 to 1 up to 126 :1 Argentina ranked 8th 100:1 up to 200:1 Scotland 150:1 to 300:1 Fiji Samoa and Tonga 500": 1 plus. Japan 2000 and i now understand Craig Wing is eligible for japan in the RWC. It's a celebration of countries who play the game in either code,coming together for a festival of football.And we get the knockers,for whatever reason, but I can guess Clipper.

clipper closer to then the tournament kicks off Samoa, is gonna have a very strong squad, most will be current players from ESL and NRL, I;m sure those odds will shorten, guys like Roy Asotasi and Steve Matai will be in squad, Ali Lautiti and Tony Paulutua. They will unlikely win, but they will give the tournament a good shake, and France's team are now all full time professionals just about too.

I'm with Johnno on this....i'm really looking forward to the Anzac test and the World cup. A few of the Australia-New Zealand games over the past few years have been better than Origin in my opinion.

Johnno - perhaps you should tell the betting agencies about how good these countries are - France, Somoa and Tonga ar 150-1 and Wales are 500-1, Ireland isn't even quoted - quite astonishing odds for countries not in the top three.

hahahahahahh!!! Good one!! I haven't had such a good laugh for a while. Its wrong what they say about NSW people, you do have a sense of humour!!

True, maybe take the rounds out that way more,