Your team's best and worst finals matchups

By Max Opray / Roar Rookie

The AFL finals are nearly here, and come September each team will be hoping for the best possible path to grand final glory.

Football can be a bit like rock-paper-scissors in the way that clubs match-up well on certain opponents but struggle against others.

A perfect example is the love/hate triangle of Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood.

The Hawks have comprehensively dismantled the Pies in their past five matches but against Geelong it is a very different story, with the ‘Kennett curse’ condemning Hawthorn to a famous eleven game losing streak against ”the greatest team of all”.

Yet Geelong are far from invincible when playing Collingwood, losing the last three bouts between the two. So despite Hawthorn’s obvious superiority to the Magpies this year, Geelong may well prefer to play the ladder leaders on grand final day.

There are six teams now locked into the top eight and, as I argued last week, all are some kind of chance for a flag this year.

So let’s take a look at their recent records against each other.

Hawthorn
Bunny teams: Collingwood, Fremantle

Bogey teams: Geelong, Richmond

Just about the entire competition could qualify as Hawthorn’s bunnies in recent years, but the Cats and Tigers make for notable exceptions.

Geelong’s Paul Chapman has so far kept his promise to never lose to the Hawks again after the shock result of the 2008 grand final, but less attention has been paid to Richmond’s impressive recent form against the flag favourites. The Tigers have belted Hawthorn by 41 and 62 points the last two times they’ve played.

Geelong
Bunny teams: Hawthorn, Richmond

Bogey team: Collingwood

Collingwood’s recent successes against Geelong have been by relatively slim margins, but are wins nonetheless.

On top of their Hawthorn dominance, Geelong have also found the going easy against the men from Tigerland, with nine wins in a row. Most of the wins were while Richmond was in rebuild mode, but it is still quite a run of results.

Sydney
Bunny teams: Anyone in a final

Bogey team: Collingwood

Sydney haven’t got a particularly good record against this year’s top echelon in regular season games, but with their hard, contested brand of football they’ve got the wood over most of the other contenders when it comes to finals time.

(The exception is Richmond, but that’s only because it’s impossible to have a good recent finals record against a team that rarely makes the top eight.)

Even bogey team Collingwood, who’ve won 12 of the last 14 encounters between the pair, struggled against Sydney’s finals football last year when the Swannies triumphed in the prelim.

Fremantle
Bunny team: None

Bogey team: Hawthorn

Like Sydney, Fremantle don’t have any bunny teams among the top six, but no-one has really dominated the Dockers in recent years either.

Nobody but Hawthorn that is, who have made a mockery of Freo’s famed defensive prowess for seven of the last eight meetings between the pair. Fremantle’s one win in that time was the 2010 elimination final, so perhaps the Dockers are going to emulate Sydney’s knack of lifting for finals.

Geelong would probably think so after being stunned by the Dockers in last year’s elimination final whitewash at Docklands.

Collingwood
Bunny teams: Sydney, Richmond

Bogey teams: Hawthorn

Even from outside the top four Collingwood still have a realistic shot at the flag, but only if someone else does the dirty work and takes out Hawthorn for them.

Their defence simply can’t cope with Hawthorn’s multi-pronged attack and deadly foot skills. They’d fancy themselves against just about anyone else though.

Richmond
Bunny teams: Hawthorn

Bogey teams: Geelong, Collingwood

Richmond would realistically go in as a rank underdog against all the other contenders, despite their good form against the Hawks.

As mentioned, Geelong have had the wood over them for an eternity now, but Collingwood’s six-game winning streak against Richmond would also be giving the Tiger faithful cause for concern.

The Crowd Says:

2013-08-22T12:44:34+00:00

Jack Smith

Roar Guru


HAHA. Nothing else needs to be said.

2013-08-22T10:49:36+00:00

Timmuh

Roar Guru


Essendon Bogey team: Essendon

2013-08-22T09:41:24+00:00

Jesse Kostera

Roar Rookie


Wouldn't say Freo have any bogey teams over the past 2 years, Tassie is a fortress for the Hawks. My first round predictions are: Hawks vs. Swans Geelong vs. Freo Richmond vs. Carlton (They'll beat Port in the final round) Collingwood vs. Bombers

2013-08-22T09:36:06+00:00

Radelaide

Guest


As a port fan I want to play the crows all the way through the finals alas I don't think we'll be lasting to long.

2013-08-22T09:30:14+00:00

Connor

Guest


as shown by sydneys brilliant final series last year I would agree with you.

2013-08-22T07:36:34+00:00

Balthazar

Guest


I think the point being made is not that Hawthorn might win. But that Freo has not played them in a relatively neutral venue for so long that you need to account for the Tassie factor. Same with the Swans, almost never play Freo in Perth. However, Freo plays the SCG better. I'm pretty sure that's because of weather, more local support and the fact that it is not such an arduous trip. You try being Aaron Sandilands and spending that much time on separate Virgin flights to get to Tassie...Unlike some teams, we don't get the direct charter arrangements. As said, it will become clearer in September.

2013-08-22T07:13:26+00:00

macca

Guest


The blues are still good chances to finish 8th Max - they could easily win the next 2 and port lose the next 2.

AUTHOR

2013-08-22T07:07:00+00:00

Max Opray

Roar Rookie


Wouldn't it be brilliant if after all these years of Richmond 9th place jokes, they ended up getting knocked out of the finals by the team that finishes ninth this year?

2013-08-22T07:00:21+00:00

Macca

Guest


I don't think Richmond will want ot play Carlton in the first week of the finals, I think their record is 1 win from the last 10 outings and that win was by less than a goal with Yarran missing a dead set sitter late in the game.

AUTHOR

2013-08-22T05:45:07+00:00

Max Opray

Roar Rookie


Not at all, just that they have an impressive record against the title contenders in finals. They don't have a dominant recent record against any of them in the regular season though, not even Richmond.

2013-08-22T05:19:09+00:00

Connor

Guest


2013-08-22T05:19:07+00:00

Connor

Guest


Sydney- every team is a bunny team in a final. How? Is that suggesting the Swans are unstoppable?

2013-08-22T05:17:42+00:00

Connor

Guest


When was the last time Freo beat Hawthorn- 2010? Three years? Bunny Team

2013-08-22T05:09:33+00:00

Connor

Guest


Hawthorn -Bogey Teams: Geelong, Richmond -Bunny Teams: Hawthorn, Collingwood -50/50 Teams: Sydney Geelong -Bogey Teams: Collingwood -Bunny Teams: Hawthorn, Richmond -50/50 Teams: Sydney, Fremantle Sydney: -Bogey Teams: Collingwood -Bunny Teams: Richmond 50/50: Freo, Hawthorn, Geelong

AUTHOR

2013-08-22T04:46:08+00:00

Max Opray

Roar Rookie


It's pretty likely we'll find out come September.

AUTHOR

2013-08-22T04:43:04+00:00

Max Opray

Roar Rookie


Freo have been desperately undermanned all year and managed to compete against all other comers. They lost by almost the same margin the year before to Hawthorn, conceding almost the exact same score (118 points this year, 119 last year, much higher than their average points against). As noted, they've lost seven of the last eight against the Hawks at a number of venues and conditions - the numbers don't lie. Under Ross Lyon I'm sure Fremantle are capable of beating them, but they'd surely prefer to play anyone else instead.

2013-08-22T03:19:01+00:00

Balthazar

Guest


Ummmm I think it can be put down to a very long and disrupted road trip (no direct flights), a venue where Freo plays rarely (once a year at best) and where it has literally no support. These are actually big factors. This year Freo was without McPharlin, Sandi and Pav (some pretty big outs) but still clawed back from 44 points down to 17 at one stage during the 4th quarter. I doubt you would see a similar result in Melbourne and you definitely would not do so in Perth

2013-08-22T02:31:47+00:00

Brian

Guest


Can't agree. Down at York Park Freo were undermanned and down 5 goals at quarter time. They competed very well thereafter and lost by about that margin. There's also a variable of weather in all this. Geelong are a great wet weather side and honeslty Freo, Sydney or Geelong would probably beat Hawthorn in rough conditions. Alternatively on a nice sunny day we have the best backline foot skills and most potent forward line in the competition and I think we would beat anyone.

2013-08-22T02:18:14+00:00

Ash of Geelong

Guest


Richmond wouldn't know would they! Go Roos.

AUTHOR

2013-08-22T01:38:14+00:00

Max Opray

Roar Rookie


Yep, very good point. Should have broken it up by saying Hawthorn have beaten Freo seven of the last eight games, and even once Ross Lyon came along with his defensive mindset they've belted them twice. Still think the bogey side label stands - Tasmania was no doubt a factor but the way Hawthorn have torn the Dockers defense open even with Ross at the helm can't be simply put down to a long road trip - the Dockers have been super-stingy everywhere else in the country they've been.

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