How those around you can make or break a rugby career

By Ball Handling Hooker / Roar Rookie

Let me tell you a story of two scrumhalves. They were born not 40 miles from each other, a year apart.

Both started on their Junior World Cup teams. Both starred as their teams created huge shocks in beating the mighty baby Boks; and this season, both are first choice for their team, and started and starred in both Heineken Cup games.

The only difference between them is that one was included in his country’s squad for the November internationals, while the other wasn’t.

Why am I telling you this? Well, it all started over a month ago, when Joe Schmidt originally announced his 41 man squad for a training camp.

These series of tweets from Nigel Pearson (@SplottBoy) got me thinking about how young players are given more of a chance in Wales than in Ireland.

The announcements of squads for the end of year Tests emphasised this point with the two scrumhalves.

And if you haven’t guessed already, the scrumhalves are Rhodri Williams and Kieran Marmion.

Should players be thrown in the deep end?

Well, Ireland don’t seem to expose young players to the international arena, a point highlighted by the fact that one of the uncapped players in the Irish squad named this week is 32-year-old spring chicken, James Coughlan.

But it does seem to be how they do it in Wales, and a look at two current British and Irish Lions in their squad, George North and Leigh Halfpenny suggest this.

Both capped at just 19 years of age, George North made a huge impact from the beginning, scoring two tries on his debut against South Africa, prompting Bryan Habana to say that Wales had found a real gem; “George looks good enough and mature enough to become one of the greats,” said Habana.

“You don’t say that lightly, but he’s laid a great foundation and played a lot better than any 18-year-old I’ve seen.”

Tom Prydie is one of the examples of harming a players career by exposing them too soon.

While North and Halfpenny are clear success stories of throwing youngsters into the deep end, it hasn’t always worked for the Welsh.

Remember Tom Prydie? It’s nothing to be embarrassed about if you don’t.

Having just turned 18, Tom Prydie made his senior Welsh debut against Italy in Wales’s final game of the 2010 Six Nations.

To give you a hint at how his career has gone since then, he made his debut for Wales Under 20s a full two years later.

In total, he has three Wales senior caps, but at the grand old age of 21, he still has time (and lots of it).

Another approach is the new scheme that New Zealand are incorporating.

In naming their squad for their Northern tour, Ardie Savea, an uncapped 20-year-old with enormous potential, was named as a “non-playing apprentice”.

The idea is that Savea will get used to how things are done in the New Zealand camp, learn from their coaches and senior players, so that he feels comfortable in that environment before he’s pushed too soon.

New Zealand are also very good at telling under-performing players to work on their game in specific ways. In 2010, 21-year-old Aaron Cruden made his debut for New Zealand.

Despite showcasing his incredible offloading skills and attacking flair, the New Zealand management decided that he didn’t have enough game management and that he needed to work on his kicking.

Sent to work on this in the ITM Cup, Cruden spent a season away from the national setup improving himself and came back a better player, and has established himself as arguably the second best flyhalf in world rugby.

The same thing has happened with Piri Weepu, who needed to work on his speed and fitness, with Liam Messam, who needed to work on his work ethic and work in the tight.

That is why Victor Vito is in the form of his career with Wellington in the ITM Cup, because he’s been told to work on his game.

In New Zealand, they have the trust to know that when they are told to improve, they have time to work on their game and be able to come back and be selected for their national side.

A look at other nations will see that Italy dropped Andrea Masi in the deep end in 1999 as a 19-year-old, but it was only 2008 when he really started to show what he was capable of.

France are currently picking 19-year-old Gael Fickou, but neglecting to choose the other 19-year-old Christopher Tolofua, Scotland have recently selected exciting 20-year-old Mark Bennett and 19 year old lock Jonny Gray.

England have had a mixed bag of it too, from Matthew Tait’s mediocre career, to Owen Farrell being nominated for the IRB Player of the Year in 2012, aged just 21.

The biggest case of where exposure of young players to worldwide fame is bad is Danny Cipriani.

Tempted by all the vices that come with being famous, one too many bar fights, boozy nights and the glamour of a model girlfriend has proved to much for Cipriani, who has faded into obscurity, at just 25.

Another player on the verge of wasting huge talent is James O’Connor.

Part of the trio of talented but troubled Australian stars of Quade Cooper and Kurtley Beale, O’Connor was only 18 when he made his Australia debut.

44 caps later, he’s shown too many his obvious talent, and to others he’s been involved in missed team meetings, bust ups and recently being too drunk to board a flight at an airport.

At just 23, James O’Connor still has time to resurrect his career.

Just ask Gordon D’Arcy. In May 1998, D’Arcy was a talented full-back just finished with the Senior Cup for the last time with Clongowes, and preparing for his Leaving Cert that June.

Then, the then coach Warren Gatland surprised many by calling him up for the summer tour to South Africa.

D’Arcy declined so he could do his leaving certificate, and did get his first cap later that year against Romania.

The world was at D’Arcy’s feet, and he looked set for a full and long career as Ireland’s saviour. He was even touted as a bigger prospect than Jonny Wilkinson and Brian O’Driscoll.

And then he nearly blew it.

Just two years after declining the call up, the Irish centre was a mess.

Twice he turned up at Leinster training sessions with enough evidence of the night before for club officials to want him sent packing. He had made the Ireland 1999 World Cup squad, but was nothing more than a spectator.

From there, things only got worse. So much worse in fact, that he didn’t make the 2003 World Cup squad. Worse, it wasn’t a story. He had pretty much slipped off the monitor. Matt Williams was his coach at Leinster at the time “There were people who wanted to throw him out. I had to fight hard to get him a contract.”

After he vanished off the international radar, it took until friends took him aside and gave him “the best advice I have ever had . . . sending me down the right path for a change”.

The change was that he was named the 2004 Six Nations Player of the Tournament, became a British and Irish Lion, and the rest is history.

He may have made his debut a few months before O’Driscoll, but that’s why he’s 50 caps behind him.

In fact, when O’Driscoll was getting his 50th cap, D’Arcy earned his 10th in the same game.

So complete was the turnaround in D’Arcy’s fortunes after being thrust into stardom overnight, that it was suggested in media circles that he could help another troubled star when the an early dramatic announcement on the international stage threatened to blow his career.

This troubled star debuted for his country at an early age.

A game winning performance in a Six Nations game catapulted him to wider recognition, but his relationship with his high profile girlfriend started to raise questions about his attitude.

Further drunken antics and fights with teammates were the beginning of his fall from grace. Since then, he’s jumped from team to team, while his antics have continued, dashing any hopes of him fulfilling his promise.

I could have been talking about many players there, and if you had said Danny Cipriani, you would have been wrong.

In 2005, Gavin Henson had the world at his feet.

Just like D’Arcy he wasn’t in Wales’ next World Cup squad, but managed to fight his way back for a Grand Slam. From there, his career effectively ended. If only he had D’Arcy’s friends to have set him on the right path.

Henson was the 2001 IRB Junior Player of The Year, and never got to fulfil his talent after being released into fame at too young an age.

The Junior World Cup is a fantastic tournament for breeding young players, from Henson back in 2001, to more current superstars like Eben Etzebeth.

Etzebeth was only 20 when he made his debut last year, but already he’s become a world class second row.

South Africa aren’t afraid of letting their youngsters have a chance, as 2012 Junior Player of the Year Jan Serfontein can prove. Exactly one year after winning that award he had made is full debut for South Africa.

And what of one of the players Serfontein beat to win the award?

JJ Hanrahan did what no Irish player has done before or since, and that was be nominated for the Young Player of the Year award when Serfontein won it.

Nine Springboks caps later for Serfontein, and Hanrahan is only just breaking into the Munster squad, and an Ireland cap seems a few years away yet.

Ireland haven’t always been this slow bringing players through, which D’Arcy and O’Driscoll can attest too. More recently, Luke Fitzgerald and Keith Earls have been fast tracked into the national set up, to varying degrees of success.

So which is better? Should you expose young talent to the harsh world of international rugby and let their talent speak for themselves and blossom like George North, or will the spotlight be too much, and lead to off field problems and a downward spiral?

Ultimately, it’s all down to the mental strength of the player in question.

But I think there are things that a coach can do.

The current New Zealand model of easing a player into the setup, before allowing them a small number of substitute appearances in meaningless games, before gradually trusting them with starts and important games.

If at any stage the player doesn’t fulfil expectations, time spent with their province working on specific aspects of their game while knowing that another call up isn’t far away seems to get the best out of each player.

This also develops trust while building a squad, which is what Ireland needs for any competition that they hope to win.

Time will tell if the scrumhalves mentioned earlier will go fulfil their potential or go by the wayside.

The Crowd Says:

2013-11-15T18:01:44+00:00

Paul

Guest


Players failing to live up to their potential is a terribly painful thing for a rugby fan to watch. Because rugby is such a game of passion and beauty we care about the players in a completely different way to other sports. At least I think so. I personally can't help grieving at the fall of Gavin Henson. I know he's a controversial figure here in Wales but what a player he could have been. Perhaps it's because he seemed to waste a God given talent that he is so divisive. We all have the power to self destruct and as you say it's sometimes only the people around you who can prevent it. If only he had been kept on the right path when it mattered what feats could have been accomplished. It genuinely makes me sad to think about it and I hope against hope that he has a final flourish with Bath and perhaps manages a recall.

AUTHOR

2013-11-10T03:24:48+00:00

Ball Handling Hooker

Roar Rookie


I wasn't aware of that about Heaslip, thank you for pointing it out.

2013-11-10T00:03:35+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


Maybe he is referring to the Junior World Cup award which is a different tournament to the old under 19s and under 21s RWCs.

2013-11-09T01:34:01+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


TB, Jane and Hore have each had their run ins on the booze, wasn't thinking baby seals at all. For Nonu I am not sure what he has done but he is the NZ version of JOC in being a quality player that no Super side wants.

2013-11-09T01:29:36+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


OJ, spot on. The guy got told to go and work on hitting more breakdowns and he disagreed with the instructions. The system worked - by weeding out a player who would not work on his faults and refused to listen to the brains trust. Completely agree the right decision was reached and the bloke got sent over to Nippon for your entertainment. Luckily you got G. Smith as well.

2013-11-09T01:02:35+00:00

Alan

Guest


It's incorrect to state JJ Hanrahan was the first Irish player to ever be nominated for the young player of the year award; Jamie Heaslip was also nominated, but lose out to Jerome Kaino. Paddy Jackson, starting ten tomorrow for Ireland, and Luke Marshall are two young players who have already amassed a clutch of caps despite their youth.

2013-11-09T00:31:55+00:00

ohtani's jacket

Guest


Issac Ross didn't think he needed to improve. It wasn't really a failure of the system, Ross just took it badly. When you look at how tough it was for Nonu, Weepu and Messam, I don't think folks have much sympathy for Ross.

2013-11-08T21:04:42+00:00

moaman

Guest


" He who has the bad taste to meddle with the caprices of believers…gets the rap and the orders of dismissal. " (I googled your "wrap' and this unattributed quote was in the item I read.....quite appropriate I thought!)

2013-11-08T20:53:56+00:00

Matilda

Guest


Nonu does get a bad wrap but I'm convinced. I enjoy watching him play and the work he does off field the videos on Youtube are gold! He did have a run in with the Police in Wellington. According to the police there was an altercation between Nonu and his friiends, which Nonu described as him and his friends slapping each other and being larrikins (basically being themselves). Once they sorted it the police gave them a warning!? Must of been a slow night in Welly.

AUTHOR

2013-11-08T14:31:30+00:00

Ball Handling Hooker

Roar Rookie


I was trying to limit examples used as those who made their debuts before they were 20, while Bastereaud and Fritz were both 21. I waqs also trying to limit it to players who had exceptional talent, who either ended up fulfilling it, or wasted / didn't fully reach the heights expected of him. Bastereaud certainly fills that, but I'm not sure Fritz was always heralded, and has ended up doing ok for himself. I also think that adding in many other examples to the ones mentioned might have made it unbearably long, both for me writing it, and people who give up reading in the middle.

2013-11-08T11:03:42+00:00

TrueBlue

Guest


Guildford was crucified in the media and part of that was there was so much to the story - turning up dripping wet, naked and bleeding to a restaurant and punching an older gentleman, there's plenty to write about. The ABs gave him another chance but he blew it so he won't be back. He had just as much attention as JOC is getting. But he was never a starter so it wasn't a tough decision for the ABs. The other ones you mention - what has Nonu done? I checked his wikipedia page and the only non-rugby info is that he like to surf and play cards in his spare time. Jane had a cigarette in a non-smoking pub so not much to say there. Hore, jeez , baby seals, how'd he get away with that? It's Savea and Sivivatu who shock me though. Both are/were important players so the real test would be if the ABs dropped them if the domestic abuse happened again. Hopefully we don't find out

2013-11-08T10:49:32+00:00

TrueBlue

Guest


And then there's France, who gave a 20 year old scrum half his debut with 5 minutes left on the clock of the rugby world cup final. With France on the attack, he knocked the ball on at the base of a ruck. The French never got the ball back and he never played another game for them.

2013-11-08T08:39:21+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


That's the problem Ireland have. They constantly argue that he might not be ready, it's not the right time or what if he is not good enough. There is no justification for picking Boss over Marmion. Boss has never been test standard and they are going to run out of approriate matches to blood Marmion. Munster was like the Australian cricket team in the 90s once you were settled in the team you were in there for good. That's why Coughlin took so long to develop. He was stuck behind Foley, Leamy, etc. Players like Ross, Reddan and Downey went to England. Only now are they starting to get them in younger. Murray, Zebo, O'Mahony, Kilcoyne. Earls is an exception due to early retirements. Lock is a problem position there even when DOC and POC were out they pick old heads like Mick O'Driscoll who wore his art on his sleeve but was very average. Hanrahan is only starting to get game time due to O'Gara's retirement. He was stuck in a rut last year in club Rugby while O'Gara was stinking up the joint in the Pro 12. Keatley gets a lot of knockers but the Munster backline looks much more confident when he is there instead of O'Gara.

2013-11-08T04:26:39+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


I really don't think Sio failed. I hope that his exclusion from this tour has been to help him develop physically as he is still so young. I think he remains one of our brightest hopes and I'm looking forward to seeing him improve next season.

2013-11-08T04:24:07+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Matilda, I agree with you. I was really reacting to this line in the article: "In New Zealand, they have the trust to know that when they are told to improve, they have time to work on their game and be able to come back and be selected for their national side" It frequently works for them, was just highlighting that there are exceptions.

2013-11-08T02:56:31+00:00

niwdeyaj

Guest


I agree the coaches and selectors need to make the judgement call on when their new prospects are ready to step up to test match rugby, but where I think the Wallaby coaches and selectors FAIL MASSIVELY is picking the right opposition to "break them in". This is a BIG difference between blooding someone against the Lions, All Blacks or South Africa compared to Argentina, Italy or Scotland (no disrespect). Even England, Wales and Ireland are a significant step down from the top three. Very, very few players hit the ground running against top teams at international level so I think it's extremely important for coaches to manage the transition effectively, as drowning at the deep end only serves to ruin a player's confidence and get discarded prematurely. Scott Sio I think is a good example, same could be said for Christian Lealiifano, Jesse Mogg and I'm sure there are others,but lets look at Scott: Solid Super XV season and really looked like a strong front-row prospect for the Wallabies, but in my opinion, he was set up to fail by being thrown straight into tests agains the All Blacks and SA. Admittedly he did get some game time against Argentina but his confidence would have been down after his previous experiences and she showed little of the potential we saw during the super season. In my opinion, he should have been given some time off the bench against Argentina in the first instance. If he really fired, then maybe an off the bench appearanche against the All Blacks or Springboks would be warranted, but I would have been more inclined to get him on this EYOT and put him infront of the Italians, Irish, Scottish and Wales at the end if he'd proved himself in the previous games.

2013-11-08T02:39:40+00:00

Pete

Guest


One other thought, is the short media cycle in this country (Australia) matched with the perceived "privilege position" that Rugby here holds. People are quick to hammer down young lads who do stupid things whilst in the spotlight, especially if they are perceived to be privileged. In years gone by (prior to professional era) the mind set was the old "What happens on tour stays on tour" i.e head down mouth shut say nothing when a team mate gets up to no good.

2013-11-08T02:30:20+00:00

Matilda

Guest


@ jeznez Isaac Ross is the perfect example why the NZRU system is working. Isaac Ross is free to make a choice improve on what was asked of him to get back into AB's. He made a choice that I assume is best for himself and his family. NZRU system of introducing new players is a fair and more stable way. At the end of the day not everyone can make and the ones with more fire in the belly will succeed with the help of coaching and management support IMO.

2013-11-08T02:12:35+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Interesting article BHH. Glosses over the success that the likes of Pocock and Hooper have had in being blooded early amongst quite a few others in Oz. Also paints a more rosy picture than NZ are really entitled to. I agree their system looks to work the best but Isaac Ross would be the poster child of one of their stars in the making being sent back to ITM not making the adjustsments and taking the money in Japan. I agree with the actions of the NZRU and the players you cite above show that it works more often than not that their players return stronger from having been sent down but they don't have a perfect record which is only understandable. Finally in contrast to JOC and his misdemeanours you have to hold up Julian Savea who was charged with domestic violence last year. He avoided a conviction under a first time offenders scheme and through performing community service and making a public apology. A fair bit more serious than anything JOC has done. NZ have had plenty of issues in recent years but apart from Zac Guildford it hasn't seemed to have as much scrutiny as has been leveled at the Aussie amigos - perhaps that is because I am on an Aussie forum and if I went to an NZ one I would see the outrage over the behaviour and issues that have appeared with Savea, Guildford, Nonu, Jane, Hore......etc. Anyway - don't want to be overly negative they do seem to be able to rehabilitate their players. Something we seem to have acheived in Oz with Cooper and will have to see what happens with Beale and JOC in time.

2013-11-08T01:53:17+00:00

garryowen

Guest


How much of JOC's problem was the quality of his Manager? No sooner does a new Suoer Season start than the Manager with a player coming of contract starts demanding more money etc- these tactics give the player an inflated opinion of his "brand" which was JOCV's major problem and also the 2 other Amigos.

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