Derby curse strikes again, Polanski done

By Alfred Chan / Expert

Winning a spring classic is life changing for most owners, but winners of the VRC Derby have had a torrid run beyond their $1 million victory.

On Saturday, Polanski became the latest victim of the Derby curse after sustaining a severe pastern injury which has almost certainly ended his racing career after just 10 starts. It comes on the back of a spring campaign which took in five races totalling 9100m, from distances of 1200m to 2500m.

Whenever spring comes around and discussions are had about the Melbourne Cup, trainers are often hesitant about taking four-year-olds to the two miles. The generic response is they’ll give it a crack but they’ll be a much better chance the following year.

Developing as a stayer takes time and with the VRC Derby positioned at the beginning of the Southern Hemisphere racing season, the toll of a Derby campaign is proving too much for many of these colts and geldings.

To say the strenuous spring campaign as a developing three-year-old contributed directly to the injury is a brash generalisation, but it’s becoming all too familiar among VRC Derby winners.

History shows that three-year-olds can run the distance and fully recover, which is why I’m pinning the poor careers of Derby winners as a curse.

The traditional Derby campaign takes in the Norman Robinson Stakes over 2000m and Moonee Valley Vase over 2040m before completing the VRC Derby over 2500m.

These three-year-olds are essentially running 6540m in the space of a month, which is more than a lot of Melbourne Cup-bound horses.

The 2012 Derby winner Fiveandahalfstar had run 7800m in a month by the time he’d won the Derby. He was able to kick on into the autumn but the heavy staying load eventually took his toll.

He hasn’t raced in 12 months and has been ruled out of the current season.

Sangster, the 2011 winner, returned in autumn a shadow of his former self, running 15th in the Australian Guineas, 16th in the Rosehill Guineas and ninth in the Australian Derby.

After that, an eight-month spell was required for him to recover, ruling out a Melbourne spring campaign.

Lion Tamer (2010) had to bypass autumn after his Derby win and looked like he would kick on for an illustrious career until a tragic accident in the 2011 Cox Plate saw him put down after the race.

Monaco Consul (2009) never won another race after the Derby and was retired a year later to stud duties, but is yet to sire a Group 1 winner.

Rebel Raider (2008) looked spent in autumn when he went to Sydney, where he ran 17th in the Randwick Guineas and 11th in the Australian Derby before bouncing back to win the South Australian Derby.

He then raced only another six times before retiring to stud, where his exceptionally low stud fee reflects his stallion success.

Kibutz (2007) was able to kick on after his Derby win but failed to place even once in his 16 subsequent races. He ended his career running around in Listed class where he still wasn’t competitive.

We have to go back to the 2006 Derby to find a winner who was able to continue their career for a few years and win without any major interruptions.

Efficient went on to win the 2007 Melbourne Cup as well as taking out the 2008 Turnbull Stakes. Following the Turnbull, lingering injuries led to a two-year injury-enforced layoff when he looked at the peak of his career.

Efficient’s success has to be somewhat attributed to owner Lloyd Williams’ mantra of light autumn campaigns, something most Derby winners forgo in chasing the riches offered in autumn.

Looking at stayer success from the other lens, Makybe Diva was the best of the decade and she only had one race as a filly – and that was at the end of her season as a three-year-old.

Viewed would have to be considered one of the more successful Melbourne Cup winning stayers of the past decade and his three-year-old season did not take in any Derbys.

In fact, he was a very average three-year-old and did not develop into his body until he turned four which seems the norm among successful stayers.

VRC Derby campaigns have produced a whole lot of tired and injured horses since Efficient’s 2006 win. Whether the race is cursed or not, perhaps it’s one of those million dollar shots worth passing up.

The Crowd Says:

2014-02-27T00:11:46+00:00

Bondy

Guest


I hope he gets well soon he's really been through the ringer of late ,poor bugger. Bad luck for Robbie.

2014-02-26T01:37:31+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


Yep agree. A horse like Prince Harada would clean up over there. Over here, every race is a tough one for him. In saying that, I'm expecting a big run from PH on Sat in an Aussie G1 but it's horses like him looking for G1 performances for breeding purposes that would really be suited.

2014-02-26T00:37:05+00:00

Drew H

Guest


Distance horses don't need to ethnic. I'd much prefer to hear about a nobody that has sat back for 5 years on Mount Crap preparing an unknown or unwanted horse in the worst of weather, eating nothing but weed and nettle.

2014-02-26T00:35:17+00:00

Scuba

Guest


One thing I don't understand about this Justin is why the "second tier" Australian horses don't target the NZ Group 1s more. Zavite won an Auckland Cup. Rogerson took Coniston Bluebird over to run in the NZ Derby. Sure the prizemoney isn't flash but winning an Auckland Cup is worth a lot more than running 13th in the BMW.

2014-02-26T00:31:36+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


I think Alfred's right, it's more of a curse of the winner than anything else. In recent times we've seen the likes of It's a Dundeel and Whobegotyou be beaten in a VRC Derby and become Group 1 horses. Monaco Consul did run three G1 placings after his win (AJC Derby, Queen Elizabeth, Caulfield Cup), so he wasn't a complete flop. My gut feel says you might get one good horse going forward out of each Derby, maybe two. Either way, its pretty lean.

2014-02-26T00:19:58+00:00

Scuba

Guest


Fair cop, but Sangster did run 3rd in the BMW last year. He was horrible last spring but that was true on both sides of the Tasman so safe to say he didn't come up. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

2014-02-25T23:23:42+00:00

Sammy

Guest


Thanks Guys. Yeah she was a terrific filly. Won a Sires, Aust. Guineas, a Derby. She always found an extra gear running against the boys. She ended up being sold to K.Yoshida and shipped off to Japan. He came in and hoovered up a whole stack of top mares that season - "Kings Rose", "Absolutley", "Mosheen" and "Shamrocker". She's just foaled a colt to "Deep Impact" so look forward to following how it goes.

2014-02-25T23:09:44+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


Great to hear Sammy. Her Derby victory was one of the better Derby wins I can remember at Randwick and it came from a filly!

AUTHOR

2014-02-25T23:08:34+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


Sammy, one of my favourite memories of Shamrocker was Crown Oaks Day 2010. I had just gotten an iPhone and was new to the whole phone betting apps. I wanted to put a big bet down on Brazilian Pulse each way. She had saddle cloth 2. I accidentally placed the bet on horse number 3. Shamrocker paid out $6 for the place haha.

2014-02-25T23:03:14+00:00

Sammy

Guest


Its a difficult one. Oaks and Derby's are "classic's" and the Prizemoney is great, but there is no doubt their campaigns can be very taxing on young horses. I had a part share in "Shamrocker". She won the 2011 ATC Derby( first filly for 22yrs) we then backed her up the following week to run the ATC Oaks where she ran her guts out to finnish 2nd in a Heavy 10. Sadly, she never came up as 4yr old. In hindsight, we probably regret backing her up in the wet at the Oaks. Was never the same after. But I guess thats racing. Happy to report she's now living a nice retirement, and hopefully can produce a nice son or daughter.

AUTHOR

2014-02-25T23:00:22+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


Correct. I have never owned a horse before. I don't have anything against the races or owners who target the races either. I am a big advocate of improving the staying ranks in Australia but the VRC Derby is being proven as a race won by horses who cannot continue at the highest echelon. Lion Tamer was unfortunate because he was looking like a superstar in the making but when you compare it to a race like the ATC Derby at the end of the season, the Sydney edition has much more consistency going forward. Or if you go back the other way, compare it to a race like the Caulfield Guineas where every winner kicks on at the highest level. I'd love to see VRC Derby horses continue and win the Melbourne Cup the following year but that's simply not going to happen anymore. We're looking overseas for stayers because the quality of the three-year-old stayers here is abysmal and most are not ready for long trips by their four-year-old season. We tend to start campaigns at 1200m and work our way up in distance. At the slightest sign that they don't look as good beyond 2000m as they do the mile, they are pegged as middle-distance horses. In Europe however, that doesn’t happen. It is very common to see a horse run first-up over 2000m and never race in anything less. They build their stamina and know no other way of racing. They also become very good at it. Green Moon had never run below 1600m before arriving in Australia and he was running the mile as a two-year-old. As a three-year-old, he only had six starts and they all ranged from 1800m to 2000m. Fiorente was very similar. He made his racing debut over 2200m and won his maiden in his second start which was over 2000m. By the end of his three-year-old season, he’d only had four starts. Prior to his Australian arrival, he’d never run below 1980m.

2014-02-25T22:51:54+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


Bit harsh onlythebestcount but a worthy point... New Zealand racing is not exactly at a great level at the moment. Most of their Group 1 racing doesn't inspire much right now. I think the main diff between our top races and theirs is that in Aus you won't win a Group 1 race without a complete performance. In New Zealand, any horse that can put together two or three good sectionals in a Group 1 race is going to be extremely hard to beat.

2014-02-25T22:09:25+00:00

SpearTackle

Roar Rookie


Alfred, I think I recall you writing a similar article about the Oaks. You really don't like these 3yo staying races huh? I'm guessing you've never owned a horse because if you have a shot at winning $1 million, you would take it every day of the week.

2014-02-25T21:49:45+00:00

onlythebestcount

Guest


Dual New Zealand* G1 winner. A bit less impressive.

2014-02-25T21:35:40+00:00

Andy

Guest


The race is overrated. It doesn't take a genuine g1 winner to win it. It's just a race that gets won by the horse which develops the fastest. The Syndey 3yo races are a much better indication of how good a 3yo is.

AUTHOR

2014-02-25T21:27:39+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


Ah cheers Scuba. I confused myself. Theres an 1800m race at Flemington a month before the Derby which is often the lead up to the Norman Robunson, Vase or Geelong Classic.

2014-02-25T21:04:01+00:00

Scuba

Guest


Very few if any horses run in both the Norman Robinson and the Vase as a leadup to the Derby. Fiveandahalfstar has won the BMW in the past 12 months. Sangster is a dual G1 winner since winning the Derby.

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