What do touch judges actually do?

By Matthew Buxton / Roar Pro

NRL touch judges seem to be living up to their expectation of doing absolutely nothing so far in the 2014 season.

While referees have been very heavily in the spotlight in recent times, the flag-bearing men on the sideline seem to go unnoticed.

Which is fitting, as they don’t seem to notice what’s going on out on the field either.

The touch judges have various roles. They’re the referees’ third and fourth pairs of eyes on forward passes, offside calls, strips, knock-ons, general plays near the sideline, any time the ball or the player goes into touch, and to let the ref’s know if there has been a conversion.

But it is amazing how much they miss. In just one game of rugby league, anybody watching can notice many un-called forward passes.

It seems that all 20,000 people in the stadium notice when the ball travels forward, but the touch judge on too many occasions does not. It is highly frustrating for everybody watching, and it seems they have no confidence to make these calls.

An extreme example would be Sonny Bill Williams blatantly forward pass to put Shaun Kenny-Dowall over to score in the 64th minutes against the Bulldogs in Round 11.

The ball obviously travelled forward, and it would be hard for the on-field officials to call on it, but what about the touch judge? He was right in line with it.

The touch judges also have the simple role of signalling when the ball goes out, or any knock-on in general play near the sideline they can see.

In Monday night’s Rabbitohs game against the Dragons, Peter Mata’utia put the ball down dead in-goal and the decision went upstairs.

The touch judge was standing right on top of it, and should’ve clearly seen the ball get grounded on.

It was probably a good idea to go to the video ref, but Shayne Hayne called try, which meant the touch judge indicated to Hayne that Mata’utai in fact did score.

I’m not sure what ball he was watching.

We’ve actually had to go to the video ref this year on a 40/20 call in Round 4, when Canberra attempted one against South Sydney.

Guess what? It was overturned, as the touch judge got it wrong.

While the criticism has been centred on referees this year, it’s impossible for them to see everything that happens on the field.

But when the touch judges aren’t doing their jobs, that’s when we see all kinds of trouble.

And that’s before we even get started on the video referees.

The Crowd Says:

2014-06-05T13:55:46+00:00

James Cairns

Roar Guru


The constant calls of corruption and rigging of refereeing by scorned fans is immature and a cliche.

2014-06-05T10:37:07+00:00

Tricky Ricky

Guest


NRL touch judge! Sounds like a career path for out of work ex-Dragons coach Steve Price!

2014-06-05T03:50:29+00:00

Walter Penninger

Roar Guru


Do they have regular eyesite tests?

2014-06-04T16:18:09+00:00

Brad. H

Guest


Ref ( Mainly S. Hayne ) to Touchie "What do you reckon on that" Touchie to Ref " Dead set try there" Ref to Touchie "Ok , video decision it is" ! If the Ref's can't decide on try from 1 meter away it doesn't matter how many Refs or Touchies are on the field . Get the Refs to actually make a decision and that's half the problem solved. And yes I am aware that this story is directed at the touchies BUT the ref's inability to make a decision is starting to ruin the game .

2014-06-04T16:11:12+00:00

Brad. H

Guest


Johnk +1 for Chuck , except no-one and I repeat NO-One can sway Chuck's decision either way and if they try then the flying fist will silence them ...lmao

2014-06-04T14:09:24+00:00

Johnk

Guest


No refs. How about the NRL hire Chuck Norris to sit every game in a luxury box and decide upon outcomes in a 'roman empire' fashion by either giving a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down". Chuck can decide on whether a penalty is given or not, a try awarded or whether someone is sent to the sin bin. The crowd can also sway his decision by chanting out their preferences as loud as they can. On a serious note, yes would love to see just one ref, more touchies and more consistency with rulings by the video refs.

2014-06-04T07:04:35+00:00

Sir Jamie Lyon

Guest


+1

2014-06-04T06:40:35+00:00

Parrafan

Guest


I think your argument about refereeing corruption is a bridge too far. I've seen some howlers but I think it's through incompetence rather than anything more sinister.

2014-06-04T06:09:31+00:00

john badseed

Guest


2013 GF, SOO final 10 mins. It's pretty obvious the game is corrupt and will continue to be until ICAC is called in. Punters do bet on these games and there are independent bodies that should come down hard on the rorters, excuse the pun. Buying the rights doesn't mean you own the product. Do Smith and Greenberg not watch the games?

2014-06-04T05:09:26+00:00

up in the north

Guest


That last explanation makes as much sense as any. Surely the game isn't rigged that badly is it? Or am I just naive!

2014-06-04T05:09:05+00:00

Parrafan

Guest


I'm not entirely sure that it is always the touchies fault. Numerous times this year when I've attended matches I hear the touchy screaming forward, forward and the ref seems to think it's an opposition player shouting it and doesn't pull up the play. I've also seen them calling not back the ten and the pocket ref doesn't take any notice unless the offending team does it a couple of times in a row in the same set. Conversely I've seen touchies come in to call a knock on when it's obviously a strip and I can see it from 5 rows back opposite side of the park. Would be nice if we could have some quality, consistent reffing with all match officials on the same book when reffing a match. I think the most heinous crime at the moment is constant try reviews. The worst offender at the moment is Cecchin having to review every bloody try. The two games I've attended that he's been officiating were stop start affairs and consequently boring, even when Parra were winning.

2014-06-04T04:58:19+00:00

Adrien

Guest


I think the nrl orders the on field referees to go upstairs the more often they can so they can show the advertisement and it provide the nrl even more revenue.

2014-06-04T04:24:13+00:00

Sir Jamie Lyon

Guest


Dude you just copied my post but I like the way u think meht

2014-06-04T02:53:10+00:00

Cugel

Roar Rookie


It's hard to see any other situation than they're being told not to intervene whenever possible. The article mentions what most of us who go to games see pretty much every week, an obvious forward pass, the touchie in great position, and nothing happens. We can all see it, it's inconceivable he can't: ergo, they're instructed to keep schtum.

2014-06-04T01:00:15+00:00

Arnodl Krewanty

Guest


How come Touchies are actually used in the NSW Cup & QRL? Tries happen, and the referee consults his touchy, and a decision is quickly made. Mistakes may happen, but that's footy. Why is the NRL & Holden Cup exempt from how RL is referred almost everywhere else? Sick of half decisions; waiting 5 minutes for some fool in a box slowing the game down making incorrect decisions on super slow-mow replays. I want my RL back.

2014-06-03T23:28:11+00:00

john badseed

Guest


What DO touchies do? Would they be afraid to make calls on off side and forward passes? How often do you hear "the touchy was right there, he should have seen that…"? It appears that their only purpose is to indicate where the ball went into touch. So many dodgy decisions by the refs could be alleviated by the men with the best view on the ground. Does their inaction come from the referees boss? The owners of the game? Or, like the refs, a fear of upsetting the predetermined outcome of many games? It's obvious they no longer perform the duties they are assigned. As it stands the NRL may as well get rid of them and have the ball boys place the ball where it crosses the touch line.

2014-06-03T23:26:55+00:00

uPelican

Guest


The poor quality of on-field officials is the stand out problem today. It beggars belief that the NRL hasn't started emergency rectification of it.

2014-06-03T23:22:00+00:00

Hutchoman

Roar Pro


I agree. Touchies don't seem to do anything that isn't already bleedingly obvious such as put their flag up when the ball goes into touch and when a goal is kicked. For years I've thought the ref really only looks at the touchies for some sort of historic reasons when awarding a try. Have you noticed that the ref only seeks their opinion when awarding a try, but never when disallowing one? If touch judges they can't "judge when a player is in touch" what the hell are they there for?

2014-06-03T23:04:33+00:00

The spectator

Guest


There taking there time , what about Mon night rulings after what we saw over the weekend, there bloody getting worse!

2014-06-03T22:17:43+00:00

Fil

Guest


Clearly, touchies are told by the nrl what their role is otherwise they would no longer have a job. But their role has become farcical. They are almost always out of position, never adjudicate on a try, never enter the field of play to report foul play, and miss every single forward pass.

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