Gould, Cleary and the resurgence of the Panthers

By Tim Gore / Expert

Darryl Brohman and Phil Gould returned to play with Penrith in the 1980s and it wasn’t great. Neither were playing well, with Brohman having a particularly bad time.

Once more the team was gathered behind the sticks, awaiting the conversion of yet another opposition try.

Brohman had missed the tackle that led to the try, and an enraged fan was hanging over the fence behind the players absolutely giving it to ‘The Big Marn’.

The Panther fan was yelling that Brohman couldn’t play, definitely couldn’t tackle, should give back the money he was being paid and return, with all haste, to the location from whence he had come – all in far more colourful language.

So strong and unrelenting was the abuse that Phil Gould went over to console Brohman, at which point the fan bellowed, “And take your fat mate with you!”

I’ve subsequently discovered this story is very unlikely to be true, not least because Gould didn’t play for Penrith after 1979. However, the point of telling the story is that I wanted to believe it. To me it seemed that Phil Gould had a talent for alienating people. His strong opinions and pre-Origin rants often get people’s hackles up. I once counted myself among those people.

However, the longer I’ve been involved with rugby league, the more I’ve seen of Gould the good human. Foundation Raider Angel Marina told me that Gould was one of the fairer and more decent players he ever went up against. Then one match day Gould spent 10 minutes talking to my mother and totally made her day.

My view was cemented, however, by watching him at Panther Park. I’ve done the sideline for the ABC there a number of times and on every occasion I’ve really noted just how much Gould interacts with the fans and how much they seem to love him. The last time I was there it took him 15 minutes to get 50 metres because he stopped and talked to every single fan that wanted to talk to him – and that was most of them.

It seems Gould – overweight or not – is a mate that the Penrith faithful want to keep.

And why wouldn’t they? Gould is a local. Having come through the Wentworthville Juniors, he started with Penrith in 1976 and was made their youngest-ever captain at the age of 20. Although he left the club after the ’79 season, he returned as coach in 1990 and delivered the Panthers their first premiership the following year. In 2011 he returned as Executive General Manager of Football and one of his first coups was to recruit Ivan Cleary as coach.

Only 24 months ago, many critics were scratching their heads at just what was happening at the Panthers. Experienced and very popular players were being let go and the replacements didn’t seem much chop. Was Penrith being returned to the bad old days of the Chocolate Soldiers?

Now at the halfway point of the 2014 season, the Penrith Panthers’ no frills line-up finds itself on top of the ladder and barely a critic can be heard. Regardless of whether these Panthers have what it takes to go all the way in 2014, the fans can thank Gould and Cleary for this resurgence.

I have a big soft spot for the Panthers. Of all the grounds I visit, it is the one with the best family atmosphere. It feels like a welcoming place where the community comes together.

I also like the place because of Ivan Cleary, who exudes an aura I’ve only encountered a few times before. Like Tim Sheens, Rod McQueen and Wayne Bennett, you can tell he’s the guy in charge and a very decent man. You can sense it. Earlier this season Matty Johns declared that Cleary would soon be seen as the premier coach in rugby league, I totally agree with him.

ABC commentator Billy Moore was his teammate at the North Sydney Bears in the ’90s and remembers him as a very professional player who had a great effect on his team.

“Ivan was Mr Cool. He was never fazed by any occasion or opponent,” Billy told me. “Clinical, calculating and realistic, he was not a big talker but when he did everyone listened.

“He had the respect of not only the player group but all those around him. He was a great steadying influence. All of these characteristics seem to have flowed through into his coaching.”

When Cleary is in charge there is room enough for only one chief. He doesn’t tolerate dissent. While the likes of Lachlan Coote, Michael Jennings, Michael Gordon, Luke Lewis, Travis Burns and Luke Walsh may not have had issues with Cleary, they have all left the club since his arrival.

Cleary seems to have little regard for reputation and he doesn’t second guess himself.

One of my first interviews with him was in 2012, after ex-Panther Sandor Earl – who Cleary had released mid-season – returned to Panther Park and played a blinder, helping the Raiders to get the points. I asked Cleary if it was hard watching his ex-player do so well.

“Not at all, good luck to him,” was Cleary’s blunt answer. Cleary clearly had no regrets whatsoever. You can bet he feels the same way about all of the other players who have departed. If they aren’t on board with his plans, then they aren’t on board at all.

Ex-Warriors teammate Kevin Campion was quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald comparing Cleary to Wayne Bennett. “They don’t put up with big-heads. If you’re not a quality person first and foremost, you have no chance of playing first grade in Wayne or Ivan’s teams.”

Maybe that is one of the reasons Cleary is the only Warriors coach not to have been sacked. There seems little chance of a celebrity, partying culture – so prevalent in the NRL – ever taking root anywhere Cleary is in charge.

There is definitely a surrender of the individual to the team goal at the Panthers now. Recently I covered a match the Panthers won on the back of Jamie Soward’s kicking game. I made a bee-line straight for him as the whistle sounded to ask him all about it. What I got was one of the dullest pieces of radio of all time.

To every question, Soward answered, “I just did my job tonight,” or something very similar.

I persevered on the line of questioning in my interview with Cleary. “Jamie’s kicking is a part of our game plan and he certainly played his part tonight,” was the response I got.

The bloke had kicked a 40/20, easily won his team field position all night, and performed two pinpoint kicks for his wingers to score, but to them it didn’t seem like a big deal at all.

On another occasion Josh Mansour had just returned from injury and had a blinder. For the afternoon he had made 17 runs, 167 metres, 8 tackle breaks, 2 line breaks and scored a try. Surely Cleary would be very pleased about that, right?

“He’s sort of a mixed bag is Josh. But that’s the case with Josh sometimes. I’m sure he’ll be better for the run…”

OK, I guess Mansour had made a few errors, given away a penalty and missed a tackle, but most coaches would’ve been a bit more effusive. However, there must be some love between the two, as Mansour certainly took a lot less money to stay with Cleary than go to Canberra.

This time last year the Panthers were in 10th spot on 14 points. This season they are four wins better off and in equal first place. It hasn’t been on the back of an improved attack. Virtually all their attacking stats are the same as last year and they are only ranked ninth in points scored this season.

It is in defence that you see the improvement. Last season they had the 11th ranked defence, giving up an average of 22 points a game. This season they are the number one ranked defence, boasting under 16 points conceded a match. The backbone of this improvement is that they now concede the fewest metres of any side on average, just 1243 a game, and only Manly and the Rabbitohs concede fewer line breaks.

However, you can be sure Cleary will not be getting carried away. For starters, the only thing that puts the Panthers and the Sea Eagles above the Roosters and the Rabbitohs on the ladder is an extra bye. Further, they are yet to play four of the other seven teams in the current top eight, and six of their remaining games are away from home.

I suspect that the challenge will be too great for them this year, but I certainly hope to see them go deep into September. It would be a great result for the NRL to have an organisation that is based on such high standards of integrity being the premier club.

Whatever the outcome, this side of dedicated tradesmen from the foot of the mountains is definitely gathering its power and belief. They are only four wins away from cementing a spot in the finals for the first time since 2010 and you get the feeling that with Cleary in charge, there may even be some partying and celebrations coming soon for Penrith.

Who knows? Ivan might even join in when they do.

Tim Gore is an ABC Grandstand commentator and statistician
. He tweets from @gorskiopork

The Crowd Says:

2014-06-26T22:45:47+00:00

casper

Guest


Outside of the origin period, I find Gould's insite into games, clubs and the competition extremely well reasoned. When he sees a blue jersey, he can't help himself. Cleary is definitely a quality coach & mentor, which is probably just as important. Never saw him in any trouble during his playing days & that seems to have carried into his coaching career. I reckon Gus & Ivan sorted out the Penrith problems by jettisoning bigheads like Jennings & bringing hungry enthusiatic players to the club. Bennett always said it's better to get rid of them one year early rather than one year late & that probably applied to Luke Lewis, because he might have had too great an influence over younger players if he'd stayed and that could have stifled the cultural change. Coote got to much publicity early in his career & started believing it, so the jury is out on whether the cowboys have chosen a winner. What worried me about him was the regular wraps his father used to give him in the media, that smacks of a spoilt brat. The cowboys definitely will benefit if Jake Granville goes there, they should have tried to get him before 30 June because their dummy half play is abysmal and one of the key reasons for their consistent failure. He's a quality player who desrves his shot. The sooner they get Rory Kostjasyn out of hooker & back to the bench, the better.

2014-06-26T14:51:20+00:00

dubblebubble

Guest


Kites a good club player but did nothing in Origin when he got his chances.

2014-06-26T14:32:29+00:00

dubblebubble

Guest


He was saying there needs to be compensation, not that teams shouldn't go after other teams talent. But I guess that gets in the way of your Gould bashing doesn't it?

AUTHOR

2014-06-26T08:55:47+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


As I said in the article, I worked out that it couldn't be at Penrith.

2014-06-26T08:41:08+00:00

Cathar Treize

Roar Guru


Terry you seem to repeat this in other threads which have a negative slant to RL. Panthers have hit 16,000 members and are starting an $850 million development in Western Sydney. Even the Roosters have hit 16,000 members and Rabbitohs are inching toward 32,000 members, records. Soccer has always had a lge participation in Sydney, esp Western Sydney. You sound like you have Phil "Í have an agenda to get to Brazil by trashing the NRL & be disingenuous by comparing international Socceroo TV ratings with Monday night footy featuring a cellar dweller NRL club game ratings" Rothfield. I look forward to seeing a club like the Wanderers start to slide down the ladder and where crowds will head? Or have the FFA painted itself into such a corner that they'll compromise the comp ala AFL style, and assist the Wanderers to keep on top or near top at the cost, & probably chagrin, of other clubs & supporters?

2014-06-26T08:33:48+00:00

Clark

Guest


I have listen to some of his commentary in Panthers games and to be honest, he has held himself back from bias remarks well, a lot better than in SOO. Gould''s recruitment can be seen to be similar to that of Melbourne's (although they have a lot less juniors admittedly). I think there a many more teams who are poaching talent (more so than Penrith), Sydney, South Sydney, Brisbane and the Bulldogs of course being the kings of the checkbook.

2014-06-26T08:16:34+00:00

Bluebag

Guest


Nice article Tim. Sorry to be a pedant but the story with Gus and Brohman took place when they were playing at Belmore for Canterbury c1983. After Gus joined the mighty Jets from Penrith in 1981 he never played for Penrith again. He joined the Dogs in 83 and then finished with a couple of years at Souths. Regardless he has done a remarkable job in reinvigorating the Panthers - good to see thenm getting their act together, same with Parra thus far under Arthur.

2014-06-26T07:51:14+00:00

Silver Sovereign

Guest


Idris has had a decent bounce back season whicht just goes to show you how weak the coaching and administration is at the Titans. Jamal was fat, slow and injury prone on the Gold Coast, but looks a different player at the panthers

2014-06-26T06:48:57+00:00

ron brennan

Guest


terry, well said mate, I would add that to win a comp, you do need 3 or 4 stars in key positions.

2014-06-26T04:03:14+00:00

Chop

Roar Guru


I'm not a fan of Gould the commentator, not because of what he says but all the BS that goes along with him saying it. He's obviously an elite administrator based on the job he's done with teams and now Penrith as a whole club. I just wish my Eels could get someone like him in to sort out the 'front office' as the NFL calls it. I believe Sterlo could do it but why would he? it's a thankless job with stress he doesn't need and in all likelihood will result in being stabbed in the back eventually.

AUTHOR

2014-06-26T03:47:39+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


I hope you are right Kingcowboy. I worry that the big clubs in Sydney and Brisbane are 'more equal' in how they go about their business. If Newcastle, the Raiders and the Cows are given salary cap concessions for juniors they've developed then I'll believe that promoting the NRL in regional Australia is a priority for David Smith. The NRL CEO has made noises about these concessions but there is yet to be any real action.

AUTHOR

2014-06-26T03:38:28+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


No relation to Al, we checked.

2014-06-26T03:09:43+00:00

Clark

Guest


I am also waiting for that piece. I am guessing he is laying low because his beloved Sharks are such a mess.

2014-06-26T02:54:07+00:00

Chook-a-doodle-do

Guest


I don't think Sammy Boyle is going to union due to cap restraints Timbo!

2014-06-26T02:35:34+00:00

FrozenNorth

Guest


Gould has done OK to right the ship but this team is miles away from winning anything. The draw has been EXTREMELY kind to them, by far and away the easiest of any club over the 26 rounds. So they will go OK this year, maybe next, the true test is in 2 or 3 years are they pushing for a comp or sliding back down? I predict the latter.

2014-06-26T02:29:26+00:00

Mr Brown

Roar Pro


Agree with all Tim - and an insightful read. People can whinge about the way Gould carries on in the com-box, or his pre-origin rants - which, mind you, I began to warm to just as they got the axe. But take the persona away from what the man says, and Gould is very rarely wrong. After beginning as non-fan of Gould, I am now a huge fan. More often than not he speaks common sense and truth. His ideas and insights are first class and it's no coincidence the Penny Panthers are on the up.

AUTHOR

2014-06-26T02:06:52+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


Players who are serious about their footy, not just wanting to be celebrities, will come to him. But it will be on his terms. I've no doubt he'll win a number of premierships.

2014-06-26T02:03:48+00:00

john badseed

Guest


Brent Kite is the piece of the puzzle holding the picture together. Great to have young, talented backs but a tough, no nonsense forward leader like Kitey lays the base for winning big games. Shamefully underestimated by the Origin selectors during the drought. Saint of a man to boot.

2014-06-26T01:34:15+00:00

David of Canberra

Guest


nice work Tim

2014-06-26T01:34:13+00:00

Jack Henry

Guest


I reckon Gus would be trembling at the thought of an article from Rugby League's Most Feared Critic. Rothfield and "Bulldog" are deadset The Jerry Spinger Show of Rugby League.

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