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What a brilliant comment. Thank you. I was entertained AND I learned something.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Look, the editor did the headline. While I disagree with them, there are those who argue it wasn’t a send off. The sub standard reference – as I say clearly – is in regard to those who say that there shouldn’t be send offs in SOO full stop because it spoils the game. I stand by that and I’m happy to denigrate those people.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

1. I say sub standard, not sub human. There is a huge difference between the two. I’m suggesting people need to improve, not that they are untermenschen.
2. I clearly – so very clearly – state that rugby league has been subject to change in regards to what we think is acceptable. I include myself in that process, grudgingly letting go of the stink.
3. Wokism… the argument is clearly stated and aligned to putting the welfare of the player as the paramount concern, while demonstrating my long term love for the game. And if I think that people are demonstrating poor moral standards I’ll absolutely say it. Wokism… what a emblematic motif that is…
4. The biggest crowds are happening right now.
5. I actually agree, we are now on the inexorable slide towards the death of contact sports. I’m not happy about it. But I can clearly see it.
6. I know and say it’s an accident. But it’s a bad one. It had to be a send off. You can argue about the technicalities of the incident if you like and while I disagree with you that position is somewhat defensible. But those who just say there should never be send offs in origin no matter what because it spoils their entertainment – showing zero regard for the actual humans – they totally need to lift their game, because presently they are humans behaving in a manner I strongly believe to be substandard. I’m calling that out. I stand by it totally. I think it’s great form. I’m at a loss as to why you don’t agree.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

What are you talking about?!?
I clearly say that I’ve had to evolve from loving the fights to accepting them being banned.
I clearly out myself as a flawed human. And I frequently get i wrong and I acknowledge it when I do.
But I sure as hell am better than the many out there who think – and are saying – that there should be no send offs in origin ever because it ruins the spectacle and the event. That’s an outrageous position for a rational human to take.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

WE are on the inevitable slide towards the end of contact sports I fear. But each cut back has been justified. As much as I’ve missed the Stink it had to go…

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

sub standard, not sub human. there’s a big difference.
I absolutely do believe that if a person argues that there should be no send offs in Origin for any reason because it spoils the game and the Entertaiment of the fans then that’s a really low standard of morality to be championing. I believe their behaviour is sub standard. I stand by that.
And I’m not being hypocritical. I’m pointing out that we evolve. That I’ve evolved. I’m still evolving.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

I’m not against looking at that. But you can have my hyperbowl when you pull it from my cold, dead hands…

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Fair. But like I said above, I’m a flawed human. I’ll keep working on it.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

TWAS, as I’ve posted above, Here’s the context for substandard human: “Do we, the fans, really want to countenance players being smashed like Walsh was with no commensurate in-game penalty because if they the perpetrator is punished it will ruin our fun?If you answered yes to that, you need to take a long walk through the room of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself.Because right now you’re a substandard human and you need to wake up to yourself.”What I’m saying is that if a person argues that there should be no send offs in Origin for any reason – as a surprisingly large amount are saying – because it spoils the game and the Entertaiment of the fans then thats a really low standard of morality to be championing. I’ve seen some arguments about whether the incident was worthy of a send off that arent totally without merit. But there are those who arent even bothering with any subtext. They don’t care who gets injured or how. Just don’t spoil their fun. I’ll happily vilify those people. I hope you would too.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

As I said above, Here’s the context for substandard human: “Do we, the fans, really want to countenance players being smashed like Walsh was with no commensurate in-game penalty because if they the perpetrator is punished it will ruin our fun?If you answered yes to that, you need to take a long walk through the room of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself. Because right now you’re a substandard human and you need to wake up to yourself.” What I’m saying is that if a person argues that there should be no send offs in Origin for any reason – as a surprisingly large amount are saying – because it spoils the game and the Entertaiment of the fans then thats a really low standard of morality to be championing. I’ve seen some arguments about whether the incident was worthy of a send off that arent totally without merit. But there are those who arent even bothering with any subtext. They don’t care who gets injured or how. Just don’t spoil their fun. I’ll happily vilify those people. I hope you would too.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

see above comment.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Here’s the context for substandard human: “Do we, the fans, really want to countenance players being smashed like Walsh was with no commensurate in-game penalty because if they the perpetrator is punished it will ruin our fun?
If you answered yes to that, you need to take a long walk through the room of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself.
Because right now you’re a substandard human and you need to wake up to yourself.”
What I’m saying is that if a person argues that there should be no send offs in Origin for any reason – as a surprisingly large amount are saying – because it spoils the game and the Entertaiment of the fans then thats a really low standard of morality to be championing.
I’ve seen some arguments about whether the incident was worthy of a send off that arent totally without merit. But there are those who arent even bothering with any subtext. They don’t care who gets injured or how. Just don’t spoil their fun. I’ll happily vilify those people. I hope you would too.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

In an ideal world I’d agree. But this would quickly and inevitably evolve into sides having designated hit men whose number one task would be to take out opposition players of high value. Fringe players would be found who would exchange being rubbed out for huge periods to carry out that role.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Totally Hellhound. As I make clear, I’ve had to take a look at myself and evolve. I am certainly not holier than thou. I’m a dirty, imperfect human.
My point isn’t that those who argue that it wasn’t a send off are substandard humans, it is that those people – and there are lots of them – who are arguing that you don’t send off in origin because it spoils our fun and entertainment are basically advocating that those on the arena are little more than packages of meat that we are ok with getting badly hurt – oth in the short and long term – because its not us and we want our fun. Thats substandard in any decent book.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Hey Mactruck, the headline sort of amalgamates two points and confuses what I’m saying. The context for the sub humans is this:
“Do we, the fans, really want to countenance players being smashed like Walsh was with no commensurate in-game penalty because if they the perpetrator is punished it will ruin our fun?
If you answered yes to that, you need to take a long walk through the room of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself.
Because right now you’re a substandard human and you need to wake up to yourself.”
I try to make clear that we had to evolve from loving the Stink, as I did.
Just as we had to acknowledge that cigarettes will kill you – I wish they didn’t, I miss them constantly – as we establish the truth about CTE etc then we must evolve.
And yes, I acknowledge we are now on the inevitable slippery slope to the demise of contact sports. I wish it weren’t so. I wish fighting in sports didn’t set a bad example. I wish repeated head knocks didn’t cause devastating consequences. I wish eating fast food, drinking lots of alcohol and smoking ciggies didn’t contribute to poor health. But all those things are true.
But I fully stand by my words that if you place your enjoyment of entertainment product over the health and wellbeing of the human beings taking part you’ve really got to examine how you’ve got to that moral position. It’s not a good one to have at all.
Argue all you want about whether it’s a send off or not. I think it’s a clear send off. But I hear some arguments against that that have some credence.
But the argument that you don’t send someone off in Origin because it spoils our fun and ruins the contest is total garbage. And people who argue it are absolutely substandard.

It's rugby league, not the Thunderdome: You're a substandard human if you think Suaalii should've avoided send-off

Damn, you rite wurds gud Tim. The only consideration you miss in your meticulous analysis is the effect of the Pies MCG crowd. It is unlikely to be easily lulled into silence as the port crowd was.
The Giants surprised the pies in 2019. There is no confusion about how good GWS are now. They are the real deal.

Finals Fix: They just pumped Port - and here's why the Giants might be Collingwood's worst nightmare too

Tim, as a Pies supporter, I agree. I hope he gets the Cripps result, but I thought that result was horrific. If serong and Sicily copped bans for what they did this year then our wonderful, beloved Bruzzy must also. Or the system is a joke. I hope the system is a joke…

Finals Fix: Manic Magpies expose Dees' massive flaw - but here's why they should have to win it all without Maynard

Pies are very beatable. Brions, Port, Dees and Cats all number up well against them. And I disagree, I think Blues win even if pies kickbstraight. They creamed my boys in the centre all night. It was a clear victory. BUT it is just one loss. And they are two clear on top of the ladder. Proclamations of their demise are premature at best.

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

Really?!? In my 45 years of following the Pies I had never noticed that. Here I was thinking we were most peoples second team…

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

It’s an extra hour in a plane each way…
I’m pretty sure most teams would gladly put up with that to go and play Freo who’ve won 5/10 at home, or West coast who’ve won 1/8 at home as opposed to less travel but playing Brisbane who are 10/10 at home.
There is no bruise free footy to be had at the Gabba but plenty at Optus Oval.

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

And the hardest road trip is to the gabba. Not sure what comp you’ve been watching this year…

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

From the text of the article I’d assumed you’d read, “an honest-to-God premiership dark horse.”
Enjoy your win.

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

A brand of finals footy… how would they know? It’s been a decade since they played in one.
Enjoy the win.

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

It’s a joke big fella!

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

So let’s get this straight, the Pies losing just their 3rd match of the season – admittedly by a massive 17 points – demonstrates that their luck has run out and that their kryptonite has now been found?
Further, the Blues – who haven’t played in a final for so long I can’t remember when it was – are now a genuine flag chance?
I, myself, have been party to some sensational hyperbowl in my time, but I doff my cap to you and your unbridled joy in Collingwood losing Mr Miller.
How many of the Blues players have actually played in September?
Results of Pies/Blues matches have often been outside of expected form due to the regard the clubs and their supporters have for each other.
Add to that the Pies having played in one of the hardest games of the season last week, and the jury is certainly still out on the implications of this result.
All credit to Carlton. They played well and their form is on the up, but excuse me if I’m not rushing to put a $20 on them lifting the trophy in 2023.

Footy Fix: The Blues aren't the only winners out of Friday night - because the Pies' luck has run out at last

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