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Tim Gore

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Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the worlds worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter @GorskiOPork

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Thanks for taking the time to write that.
Very moving.
Made me feel like a schmuck. Which I know wasn’t your intention.
Thanks for sharing your story. I really appreciate it.

I'm totally over the Haka

Amen Neil!

I'm totally over the Haka

Who is attacking the culture? I’m encouraging its defence.

I'm totally over the Haka

Well I do say I’m jealous, don’t I…

I'm totally over the Haka

I love the haka.
I am jealous your nation has it and we have nothing comparable.

I'm totally over the Haka

SoaD, how many times do you reckon both main islands of NZ can fit inside NSW? The distances in Australia between the nations can be absolutely huge and mean there can be huge differences between the Indigenous peoples of Australia.

I'm totally over the Haka

Actually Jacko, over half was about my countries culture…

I'm totally over the Haka

Ben, I’ve never been to NZ either but I constantly see the Haka in spite of that.
Thanks for suggesting I travel to see the others more frequently. I’d love too but feeding and housing my family seems to take all my money.

I'm totally over the Haka

Freedom, You may have noticed that I barely mention my nations Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. It’s not because I don’t care, I do. Its because it is a very complex issue, filled with minefields.
There are so many peoples, so many lands, so many languages. The Yuin nation is thousands of kilometres from the Pinjarup people. How do we get one unified message?
I’d love to see it happen though.
Another reason I’m jealous of the Haka.

I'm totally over the Haka

Not at all unreasonable, no.
But if the activity becomes very widespread and common the respect for it will inevitably erode.
I think it is a magnificent thing. Possibly the best of things.

I'm totally over the Haka

Nice pick up there TJ!

I'm totally over the Haka

I am evolving!

I'm totally over the Haka

See above comment – because I don’t constantly see those. Because I’m not concerned about them losing significance.
And I just wrote – in the very same article – clear criticism of Australia’s culture. Very clear criticisms. Did you not notice those?

I'm totally over the Haka

I’m saying it is at serious risk of being overused and losing its lustre.
I’m saying be careful with its use – especially if you demand total respect for it.
How Kiwis do their thing is totally up to them.
Go ahead. Knock yourselves out. Not going to stop you. just telling you how I feel about it.

I'm totally over the Haka

Ben, that is half the point of the article! That’s what I’m saying. There are two clear points:
1. the Haka is a wonderful thing and I’m worried that it isn’t being properly cared for and
2. that I’m jealous because Australia has no equivalent.
Further, I don’t see the Tongans, Fijians or Samoans constantly proliferating their cultural performances like I do the kiwis with the Haka.

I'm totally over the Haka

Thanks for stopping by Dave!

I'm totally over the Haka

So we agree on its overuse then…
That’s the point of the article.
It will hopefully start a conversation.
Sounds like you should write the rest Bluesfan. Educate us please.

I'm totally over the Haka

Question: did you actually read the article? Your comment has no relevance to the actual content.

I'm totally over the Haka

I’m clearly – quite clearly – saying that Australia has no vague equivalent to the Haka.
I’d love us to have a cultural equivalent from the aboriginal and Torres Strait islander Australian people’s of this country used. Love it. Happy to look there.

I'm totally over the Haka

I have no doubt about the cultural significance at all. My point is that I’m not sure that significance is being cared for as it should.

I'm totally over the Haka

Answer to what?

I'm totally over the Haka

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sensing sarcasm here…

You might like watching Manly suffer, but we need them

Isn’t it already?

You might like watching Manly suffer, but we need them

Spot on Randy

You might like watching Manly suffer, but we need them

Agreed

You might like watching Manly suffer, but we need them