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Tim Gore

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Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the worlds worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter @GorskiOPork

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You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

No. I said nothing about not calling him a grub. Go wild. Knock yourself out. Two contracts have nothing to do with the way he played the game. As explained, the wrestling etc wasn’t implemented to injure – although it is clearly a risk – it was to slow their opponents. It worked.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

My editor is awesome. We don’t always agree but he’s a bloke of rare integrity in such a role. I am far more of a click bait champion then he will ever be.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Nice. Good point. Well made.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

And I still love you Choc!

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Busted Peeko. Not my title.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Busted. Not my title.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Dunno. Stole their lunch? Made them not drink till after hours?

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

I love the Panthers. I love Ivan Cleary. I love the way they play. I love their joy.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

I stand corrected! 3026 in total so far in all games…

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

The governing body has said a lot of things that have little behind the facade

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Not my title. I went with “one of the greatest ever.”

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

No retraction will be forthcoming.
And – as unpopular as my stance is – I could not give a rats a$$ about Origin. Haven’t for decades.
Arrogance – like ego – is not a dirty word.
Please don’t mistake my statement for abuse.
If you don’t have arrogance you almost aren’t going to have the success Smith has had. It is an essential part of his armoury. I might like him to be a magnanimous man of the people, everyone would love him to be a big, cuddly, jovial bloke, but that usually doesn’t align with the magnitude of success he has achieved.
You’ve got to be single minded, focused, proud, confident, unapologetic, etc to do that.
And do it he has. Kudos to him.
Look at the scoreboard people. I’d be arrogant too.
Crikey, I AM arrogant and in comparison to Cam I’ve achieved nothing.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

You can call me many things, but not a hypocrite.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Look, while my kids are playing bush league it is all about having fun and high morals and ethics.
Once you get to the top echelons of any sport that changes. You and your kid either walk away or you embrace it.
I’d hate to think I’d ever encourage or turn a blind eye to my kid doing EPO or the like to be competitive – because they had to if they wanted to be, and they had committed so much effort and passion to get to that point, especially when it might be their best way out of a low socioeconomic position in life – but I’m not going to be so naive as to think that’s an easy choice.
What is remembered, what is recorded, is whether you won. If you are lucky – like Darren Lockyer, like JT, like Johns, like Fittler, Like Daley, Like Cliffy, like Alfie, Like Mal, Like Wally, Like Ricky, Like Bert, Like Bozo, Like Baa, Like Sterlo, like Steve Mortimer – you are also remembered for the way you played too.
But likeable losers – and I am one – no one remembers us.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Deano also won a lot…
That’s partly why he’s remembered…

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

YES! He was, wasn’t he?

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

JT didn’t have this amount of success.
Andrew01 is right, we’d be jealous of this success at any side. I’d probably hate it more at Manly or the Roosters too.
But go ahead, build that siege mentality if you want. I probably would too if I were you…

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

It has Baz.
Cam Smith has never given me the time of day. Mind you, why should he? He owes me nothing.
And I’ve sunk the slipper on him a few times too.
However, how I wish he’d been a Raider. I’m just jealous. He is a superstar and deserves all the plaudits.
Those hacking on him this week are just that: Hacks.
He is a champion worthy of our admiration.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Both. But he’s the king pin.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Look, you stick around as long as he has, you’re gonna have low points.
In 1991 the Raiders were pilloried for their salary cap breaches. After the audit of all the clubs happened the Raiders were only 5th worst. However, the side was pulled apart where other sides weren’t.
I have little yo no faith that the salary cap is effective at all. The Storm and the Eels and the Bulldogs crime was getting caught.
But the Storm built that side. They didn’t buy it.
Who were Cronk, Smith, Inglis, Slater, etc etc etc before they were Storm players? Kids with promise is all. The cap makes little concession for great development of players. It really should. The Storm have been second to none at developing raw talent into champions. That’s why I still count the 07 and 09 wins as theirs.
I’ll continue to.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

I wasn’t allowed to include my similarly unpopular view on the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs in professional sport.
What got me about Armstrong is that his vehement denials included effectively destroying people.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Those are his NRL points.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

See, I’d argue Craig Bellamy is the best ever coach…

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

Here is another analogy – I love analogies… – Mark Waugh was a beautiful batsman to watch. Just beautiful. Steve wasn’t. In the trenches it is Steve you wanted with you. It is Steve’s name that goes with Warne and McGrath’s as the greatest players of our golden era.
Cam Smith wins. I don’t care about pretty or entertaining – although Smith has been involved in masses of that too, make no mistake – I care about winning. Only 30 players have played more NRL games than Smith has won. Genius. For 15 years he would have been the first player I picked if I was building a side.
The best I’ve ever seen.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever