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Tim Gore

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Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the worlds worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter @GorskiOPork

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Ricky is beloved.

Who'd be an NRL coach? Who is in danger in 2020

The difference is that Mary and Kearney were both bottom four. Seibold was top eight. But the spectacular finals failure was embarrassing. Red Hill doesn’t do embarrassing.

Who'd be an NRL coach? Who is in danger in 2020

Bellamy doesn’t just do that, he takes existing players and changes their mindset. Bellamy selects based first on mindset. He picks mentally strong players. He then makes them totally commit to his systems. It’s almost a cult.
Bellamy is magnificent.

Who'd be an NRL coach? Who is in danger in 2020

Listen up Lise! (Simpsons quote)

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

And that’s the rub! Their players don’t develop their own instincts because they are just constantly following orders. Micro management kills initiative and leadership.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

I suspect you are bang on right Paul.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

If I didn’t know that “Common Sense” wasn’t my own burner account, I’d suspect that it was. That’s how much I agree with this.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

No, no, you’re right.
Anyone should be allowed on the field at any time. What could possibly go wrong?

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

It was sloppy.
This was better: “You bath taking, underpants wearing lily hugger”
guilty on all counts…

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Call it what you will. I Think it should be called “The McGuirk Rule” myself.
And Baz, your reaction is massively under the top. You are excusing continued wilful ignorance and failure.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

1. they DID NOT have a right to be there or to do what they did. The fact that both things took place were clear demonstrations that the envelope had been pushed too far and things needed to be controlled.
2. Wait a minute… There is no Councillor Les Whinen!

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

My chest Tattoo is indeed in Deutsche and does indeed translate to “The Nathan The.”
As opposed to Baz’s sloppy effort, your work is top notch.
BUT, the argument for whether they were vague or not was one for seasons ago when Alfie grabbed the ball or Wrigley wrestled a player.
That is when vague rules – and I’m not acknowledging they were that vague anyway – should have been addressed.
The bottom line is this is such a stupid thing not to have properly policed. and it was easy to police it. Why they didn’t do it I’ll never understand.
But they didn’t do it. They failed in their jobs.
That failure impacted the biggest game of the 2019 season and drew attention away from the actual game play and created totally unnecessary controversy.
If they hadn’t been warned so many times it may have been ok I guess.
But they were warned. They wilfully ignored the warnings.
My calls for their heads are justified and righteous.
McGuirk and Greenberg totally failed.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Baz… if you hire someone to do a job – such as the NRL Operations Manager is hired specifically to ensure that the NRL Operations manual is followed, that’s his duty statement – and they fail to do their job as specified, ignore clear risks and multiple warnings about them – when that risk is realised you sack them for incompetence and dereliction of duty.
Because they totally failed in their job.
If you think they shouldn’t be then you hold people to remarkably low standards. That approach is an exceptionally poor standard for running any type of organisation.
But you go ahead and be Karl to Nat’s Lenny.
You get the NRL management you deserve.
I’ll just be Frank Grimes.
And your Spinal Tap analogy – while promising – was poorly executed. You really need to try harder.
How is the weather in Moore Park today BTW?

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Alfie is the most blatant. But all clubs were doing it. Because the Nrl was letting them.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

The ground manager tells the teams manager to remove the trainer. If they don’t comply the referee is informed via their earpiece to stop play and send the trainer off. The club is then fined and the trainer banned.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Exactly Fraser

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

What ambiguity? They had to get off the field as fast as they could after delivering their message. Ambiguity in rules is irrelevant if no one was even trying to enforce them.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Nat…
I have been warning them for years that this would happen.
I warned them when Alfie made the ball boy give him the ball and forced his players to pack a scrum – clearly on field coaching and taking liberties far beyond what he was allowed.
I warned about it when the south’s trainer Kurt Wrigley reefed the ball off An injured Tyrone Peachey to enact a quick drop out.
While the incidence of a trainer becoming involved with the play are low, that in no way justifies running the totally unnecessary risk. Yet, in spite of all the warnings and all the outcry from fans they ignored it and continued to needlessly run the risk. There was no gain from it, only risk.
And then it happens in a grand final.
It shouldn’t have even happened once.
Honestly Nat, you sound like Lenny and Carl defending Homer to Frank Grimes…
“Whaddaya have against Nathan and Todd anyway? Just because they ignored all the warnings, failed to follow their own rules and don’t take responsibility for anything? There has only been one catastrophic failure in a Grand Final because of it! Leave them alone – and blame Tibor!”
That’s you. That’s what you sound like.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Accountability.
Responsibility.
Not being treated like a fool.
Just for starters.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

The ground managers are there to enforce the rules. They always have been.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Sorry Nat, what do you think has been won here?
I’m not sure if/how you parent, but allowing poor behaviour to have no consequences for the perpetrators is remedially stupid.
yet – as I clearly point out – that’s what the NRL has done.
While, yes, they have FINALLY taken some action on the issue. It is only after years and years of wilfully ignoring the issues and the risks associated – AND once one of those risks came about on the biggest day of the NRL calendar.
The people responsible have now:
1. invented two new rules that are entirely unnecessary if the existing rules are enforced
2. laid the blame at the feet of the clubs trying to get away with as much as they could, rather than their inaction in taking control – as their roles required
3. tried to make out that they are on the side of the fans in coming in to fix the problem the clubs had caused; and worst of all
4. retained Greenberg, McGuirk and Annesley who are the people responsible for it becoming an issue through their total dereliction of duty.
If you – and a large swathe of NRL fans – think that state of affairs constitutes a win then we’ll keep getting ineptitude at NRL HQ.
They must be held accountable, responsibility must be laid at their door, or we’ll keep getting this type of lazy incompetence proliferating.
If you want people to truly learn a lesson their must be ramifications.
This whole treatment from NRL HQ shows there will be zero accountability, zero responsibility taken and zero staffing changes.
If you want to call that a win Nat, be my guest. But if you keep eating the sh1t they’ll keep feeding it to you.
I had high hopes that Peter V’Landys’ reputation for not tolerating fools and incompetence would prove true at NRL HQ. Sadly it seems we are getting more of the same.

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

The NRL and the mystery of trainers' on-field access

Thanks Jason. I try.

Exhuming the NRL Nines: Flogging a dead horse no-one wants

Let him go Ralph, he knows what hes doing…

Exhuming the NRL Nines: Flogging a dead horse no-one wants

Sure, all those things are true. They are risks that must be taken. The Nines just isn’t.
The NRL and Origin matches are the real deal. That’s what they do.
Training must be done. People are allowed to party. Kids must be played with.
The Nines isn’t necessary or essential.
It is an unnecessary risk at a stupid time of year.

Exhuming the NRL Nines: Flogging a dead horse no-one wants