Do the media even know what they are talking about?

By Doc Disnick / Roar Guru

I’ve been watching the AFL/VFL now for nearly 30 years and this season is shaping up to be the best I have ever witnessed.

Forget about all this nonsense of it becoming a game resembling rugby due to the rolling maul – this game is alive and well.

Over the past month alone I have seen some of the finest football in the history of our sport, ranging from the epic match between the Swans and Port at the SCG, to one of the best showdowns in recent times in Adelaide.

We have had contest after contest between teams that only a year ago were considered basket cases.

What about the effort of Gold Coast on the weekend to hold out against the mighty Pies with no subs for an entire quarter of football? Sensational drama and we still have seven rounds to go!

The most amazing thing this has taught me though is just how little many of the ‘so’ called experts both on this site and in the media know about football. The number of times I have heard opinions on teams and their potential downfall based on but a few matches is astounding.

Let’s quickly break down some of the teams along with what was said in the media at particular points throughout this grand season.

Saint Kilda came flying out of the gates early winning three out of their first five games. Personally I was surprised, as I didn’t think they would win one game this year and finish bottom. The media were talking them up as potential finals material along with Nick Riewoldt winning the Brownlow after a few best on grounds.

Last week during On the Couch they had a whole segment on just how rubbish Saint Kilda are and how they got to this dark place.

Fremantle get crushed in the grand final replay during Round 3 by the Hawks. Experts such as Gerard Healy and Co start breaking down Lyon’s game plan questioning whether such a defensive style can ever win a premiership.

Last week the same bunch of ‘experts’ announced that Fremantle may well now claim second spot and are looking like real premiership material along with the ultimate turncoat in Mike Sheehan.

North Melbourne has been up and down more times than exotic pole dancer. They have themselves to blame, however, this does not stop many people jumping on and off the Kangaroos bandwagon.

Right now many commentators have them in the top four along with potential premiers. As sure as taxes and at least one weekly celebrity sex tape being released by ‘accident’ on the internet, the Kangaroos are going to be talked back down again by these same experts this year.

Geelong has been on the slide now for the past four years according to Mike Sheehan. He yet again made this claim after Geelong got absolutely flogged by the Swans – what a hero!

Chris Scott summed it up nicely though when he mentioned if you talk a team down long enough, sooner or later you are going to be right. Mike Sheehan’s prediction will one day come true, but that doesn’t make him a very good expert. It’s a bit like when your buddy wins on the 100/1 donkey at the races and tells you how awesome he is at tipping. What he doesn’t realise is how much of a tool he looks like on the other 99 occasions…

GWS defeated the Swans in the opening game in quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen, in some of the worst conditions. However, all of a sudden Sydney media attack the Swans for being beaten by such an embarrassing team. Conversely all the AFL guru’s are talking up how awesome the ‘potential’ of this exciting Giants team is and could they make the top eight in just their third year.

Four rounds ago on AFL 360, questions were being asked by Gerard Whateley as to whether they are being coached correctly and whether the environment is right for all these young players after being pumped again by over 100 points.

Two rounds later (after playing some competitive football and a win), they are now tracking as good as any new club according to this ‘expert’.

My favourite though has to be the Swans. They started out losing three of their first four games. Pretty much every expert had their opinion based on these four games, despite history telling us the Swans are slow starters. The ‘Bloods’ culture was questioned, John Longmire’s hard pressure football was in doubt and Buddy Franklin was a bad influence based on him not being able to drive a Jeep.

For the past five weeks now the Swans not only have been premiership favourites, but are being haled as one of the most exciting teams to watch ever due to the Bondi Billionaires.

Memberships are at their highest, record attendances at the SCG for the past decade and the back pages in the Sydney Herald about the Swans playing magnificent football.

This is a credit to the AFL, it really is. The number of turncoats is indicative of just how tight the AFL premiership race is this year for it is next to impossible to pick a winner each week.

The final eight teams may not change much in the last seven rounds, but the order of the eight certainly can. It would take a ‘real’ expert to pick the order of the top eight at the end of the home-and-away season.

So my fellow Roarers – put your money where your mouth is. List your top eight and who you think the premiers are going to be, because we are in for a cracking finals series.

The Crowd Says:

2014-07-09T09:26:40+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Try the ladder predictor, you might find what you think will happen isn't possible considering who plays who yet.

AUTHOR

2014-07-09T07:01:24+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


No I haven'y looked at the AFL ladder predictor at all and I have not use my gut instinct either. I'm more a stats person and try to use pure logic and history to determine a future result. I think Sydney finishing top now is a no brainer, but that could change so it's not certain like it has been in the past few seasons (at least the top 2 anyway). Freo has an extremely good run home with exception of 2 games. I expect them to win all of them bar one (with good percentage) even with some injuries. They are a systems team so player injuries does not affect them anywhere as much as a team like Geelong or Sydney. I have given them an allowance to lose one game (either the Hawks or Geelong game) and even then they should finish second if this occurs. Port I think will lose one more game also, but Freo will come over the top of them on percentage at the end of the day. the Hawks will lose another 2 I think, maybe three, but 2 is more likely putting them in 4th. North is going to come up with 7 straight, but it could be 6. If the Cats beat them in round 19 then those positions I have picked will change between them. Also if they beat North but lose to Freo, I still think North will end of on the same points, but over take them on percentage. The Crows I think can come home in a flurry and are the best team outside the 8 with the strongest list and game style to match it with the big boys. Collingwood have a tough draw (especially with the teams around them in the Crows and Bombers next few weeks) and are looking tired. I think they will stay in the 8 but only just. The Suns are the biggest losers, but they would have to play 7 games extremely well and win at least 4 of their last 7 games and even then that might not be enough. I don't see it happening, especially now that Ablett is gone for a likely minimum 4 weeks.

2014-07-09T05:12:26+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Look at the rest of Hawthorns remaining games and tell me you think they won't lose some of them. With lake out I think the game against Adelaide will be closer than people think, with Lake also out of the Sydney game I don't think Hawthorns already small defense will be able to contain Sydneys forwardline. Hawthorn has lost its last 11 H&A games to Geelong. Hawthorn vs. Freo in Freo, I'd go with the home team. That 3 games they have a very good chance of losing, with a 4th a smokie. I'm curious if for your 8 Rick you used the afl ladder predictor or just went purely on gut feel for your ladder prediction?

AUTHOR

2014-07-09T05:04:31+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


Agree, I didn't mention Hawthorn but apparently they are in trouble also, despite being second and having the highest percentage. Not bad for a team who have had 8 of their starting 22 out for most of this season one way or another.

2014-07-09T04:17:41+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


The media is really no different from the vast majority of supporters.

2014-07-09T04:05:28+00:00

WMTH

Guest


Absolutely zero accountability in the media, which sees them jump from one opinion to the others dictated by the most recent result. They've already written off Hawthorn this week.

2014-07-09T04:03:01+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


History has proven teams don't win from outside the 4, until someone does I'll stick with that, besides if anyone was to win from outside the 4 I'd give better odds to Hawthorn (providing it shapes up the way I have predicted). The real issue with North though is could they play that well against the top sides, at their best, 3 or 4 weeks in a row? North's biggest winning streak this year is 3 games and that was back in the beginning of the season when they beat a very different Sydney and Port. Yes the win against the Hawks last week was good (I tipped NM) and their record is good against the other current top 4 sides but I am still not convinced they won't win a final, impress everyone, get picked by a bunch to win again and flop as happened so often this year whenever things have been expected of them.

2014-07-09T03:53:32+00:00

Michael huston

Guest


1. Freo 2. Sydney 3. Hawthorn 4. Port 5. Geelong 6. North Melbourne 7. Collingwood 8. Gold Coast Just for fun.

AUTHOR

2014-07-09T03:27:29+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


Not sure about that Gene. North I think could do quite a bit of damage in the finals. If a team is to win from outside the top 4 for the first time under the current final 8 system, then I think this is the year. Remember North are the only team to beat all of the current top 4 teams. Very impressive form at the top end. Not so good at the bottom, but I'd rather be beating the best and making the finals than the other way around.

2014-07-09T02:37:57+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


1. Sydney 2. Freo 3. Geelong 4. Port 5. Hawthorn 6,7,8 just making up the numbers anyway.

AUTHOR

2014-07-09T01:05:17+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


Should really put my tips in also for what its worth Jason. Interesting about Essendon beng in the 8, because I agree with you in that I don't think the Suns are going to make it. However, my tips are as follows: Swans Freo Port Hawks North Geelong Crows Pies

2014-07-09T00:31:41+00:00

vocans

Guest


The rolling maul is a blight on the game despite the game being in good shape - the two facts are not mutually exclusive. What makes the game in good shape is the evenness of the comp, the quality of coaching in every branch of the game, fitness, innovations like the interchange, and professional levels of skills. There are real issues with umpiring interpretations and -I hate to say it because I don't like all the tinkering that's been going on for a few years now - probably a little counter-tinkering to be done, before the rule/interpretation stuff is good enough for players, coaches and fans. Rule of thumb: rules should foster and not erode the variety and execution of skills.

2014-07-09T00:10:29+00:00

Jason K

Guest


I'll take up the challenge: Top 8 1. Swans 2. Port 3. Hawks 4. Geelong 5. Freo 6. Pies 7. North 8. Essendon I threw in Essendon to be controversial (sorry Suns). Who knows, maybe Bombers can pull off a top 8 miracle? They were certainly exciting this last round, can't wait to see how their season unfolds. The most interesting teams right now: 1) Suns, 2) Essendon, 3) West Coast, 4) Crows. Just because of where they sit on the ladder. My useless opinions. As useless as any other pundit's.

2014-07-08T23:55:18+00:00

Michael huston

Guest


The media are clowns and it's sort of poetic that Sydney, one of the less high-profile clubs in the comp, took the biggest dump of all on the face of the journos. I've always said, if you want to see how your team is travelling, look at the other supporters opinions. They're the ones that know the team, that know what really happens on the field, who really wins games for you, the form of your team etc. The media is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

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