Beale could handle league easily: Tuqiri

Cliff Lyons made a career out of being hidden or subbed from defensive duties.

He's on the bench because he can't tackle, run straight or pass anywhere near as good as Toomua who had a mortgage on 12 at the moment...

What age old argument, I wasnt sure and thats why I said "I think".

Don, I think he is better front on, than he is when the bloke is running an angle. Some of his fullback defense is woeful when he is trying to cut a bloke off, or come in on an angle.

He trucked up hard twice in quick succession against the Frenchies. But I agree, from what I have seen of Beale at 10, dating back to when he was a youngster, he does crab far too much, and then shuffles to the man outside him.

Hey Everyone!!!! Carney was reported to be the third highest paid player in NRL at $650,000. That was recent reports. If a club will take a punt on Beale (and I have always said he is a league 5/8 first and foremost), anything in the $7s+, then they are mad. Certainly on the $8s+ that people are saying he would get here. Maybe that high with third party, but the fact is League clubs won't pay that much I don't think. I am not here to start a code war... I appreciate both codes for what they are, but I am honest enough to see them both as what they are... but as for everyone saying he can't tackle, and League can't hide players etc... Where do they think hiding came from? League invented hiding. League players being good tacklers is a misnomer. It is a falsehood. And I say that as a fan of that game. I remember people thinking that Sailor was going to sort out Lomu when he came over to rugby, and tackle him into the stands... I thought they were mad! I think Rugby players as individuals are much better tacklers than League players. Rugby players are taught to tackle. League players are now taught to hug it out. Look at the backs in League. As a general whole, outside backs in League are terrible defenders. Foran is really the only tough 5/8 in League. Lyon is the closest League has to a rugby back as well, and he could have been a fantastic rugby player.

League invented hiding. How many play makers get stuck out wide in the line?

Your career is short so you must seriously look at the money on offer. I would have thought that if that is your only consideration then France would offer a lot more. It also may keep your hat in the ring if the Wallabies relax their overseas selection policy. The other consideration is whether you have any issues with the grog you need to overcome. In the waratahs there is a Randwick and hence support connection that may stil be needed. I don't think you can do a reverse foleou. You have the potential to be a super star in rugby still, but not in league. Historically there is more longevity in union than league too.

Goes both ways mate. Andrew Walker was playing first grade rugby for Randwick at 17 but switched to league to earn money for his family. When he went back to rugby years later everyone called him, and still call him a league convert.

He'll be the Benji Marahall in reverse

Did you forget that Quade would have become the highest paid rugby player on the planet had he accepted the French offer? Furthermore, he decided to stay with the knowledge that Deans would not pick him either. Thankfully that disaster for Australian rugby ended (albeit 2 years too late) and Ewen was given the Wallabies coaching role. By seasons end, Cooper was VC and played a hand in virtually all the crucial tries in a wonderful spring tour - the best seen in memory. Obviously overseas clubs understood Quade's value on the market - as does his coach and team mates. A pity you don't see that. In the same light, don't so readily jettison one of Australian rugby's acknowledged talents in Beale. Listen to the crowd at tahs and Wallabies matches when he touches the ball. He is second only to Folau in excitement, and is one of our few players known to casual fans and the non rugby public in general. We desperately need to win the Bledisloe this year and WC next year. I will sleep better knowing if Izzy is injured that he is there, likewise keeping pressure on Toomua or other positions that he can fill.

Next Beale will be an immortal. I don't get this fascination with a player that can't tackle. League you cannot hide like Beale does

$600k or thereabouts, play for my country, play all across the globe and if it was the game I love, well I'd be in heaven. We are never going to stop players leaving to chase the dollar, some with very good reason as in the badger and some due to the end of their career looming and some because they just want more. League is in a position to offer more but very much like union in the nineties the whispers of discontent start when the dreaded code hopper comes in and takes that up and comers spot, chews up cash from the true blue club generated talent. As one high profile leaves there are 2 or 3 youngsters wanting his spot and I would rather have them wearing my national colours knowing that the only thing that is driving them is the 100% focus on playing for their Super 15 team then their country. When that time comes were their manager says lets play the money game because your worth 25% more then lets quickly point to the exit door and allow the next best things through the front door.

no need to hide in league. the rigid structures of the game will favor the player to guess the plays more often. add to that most of the time there is support for tackler so it is a different ball game. the problem for Beale will be the up and unders depending on where he plays. very much doubt he has the speed to be a wing.

The leagueis wont let him run & hide in defence. Until he shows some determination to make tackles & make them stick he won't last tooo long.

the problem with Beale is , he is running sideways and trys to avoid contact. I have rarely seen him go straight go to ground and set up the ball for next phase. (well same goes for folau as well). the inside pass has been the play this season for Beal;e and Foley 9and others) lot of the time. but they have not had really big guys running at them on many occassions in sxv. still from OZ point of view he has utility value for a test squad, being able to play 10 12 15 and kick (though his accuracy is a little off this season i think).

Beale is in the best form of his career so I can see why he is a bit miffed about sitting on the bench. The current Waratah coaching staff have finally taken his game to the level his long time supporters were waiting for. It really has been a difficult road for him to fulfil his potential and to me he now seems fairly happy overall. At least we're not having any 'moments' this year.

I do like your remedy. I think the Aussie super teams when I think losing him. I also agree he should be no-where near the Wallabies. He can be a crowd pleaser at that level but it seems he wants so much more - like a gig at Canterbury on the small stage.

A reserve forward is on $200K so forget your notion of $150K. He definitely would draw offers of $750K. That doesn't mean he is worth it, just what he would be paid.

Touchy, QC talked about going to the NRL with his male crush SBW or don't you remember that, he had no offers so he realized he had to pull his head in and tow the line,he gets credit for that,no one man is bigger than the game mate, there's nothing personal here so chill.