Should clubs really care about their country?

By Steven McBain / Roar Guru

With the end of the transfer window and another international week upon us, there has again been lament in the English press as to the state of the national team and the prospects for squad members in the English Premier League.

Of course, Britain enjoys a large dollop of good old fashioned xenophobia when the mood takes it.

The EPL has courted the world’s wealth through TV deals and foreign ownership, buying up the best talent wherever it can. Many footballing sages believe that this resultant ‘foreign armada’ has led to a steep downturn in the fortunes of the England team.

However, to suggest that the England team is in decline is also utter tosh. England did not even qualify for the 1974, ’78 and ’94 World Cups. There have also been a plethora of woeful performances at the Euros such as 1988 and ’92. The EPL’s first season was in 1992-93.

Since that inception, England have only missed two major tournaments (USA 1994 and Euro 2008) and have generally got through the group stages in the other tournaments.

The level they are at is generally the level they have performed at for the past 50 years.

What is undeniable is that English (or even British) players are playing far less minutes in the EPL and are occupying far less of the key positions – especially for the teams at the top of the table.

Under Moyes last season, Manchester United were widely derided for their lack of ambition or ability in the transfer market. It was said that they could no longer compete against the clubs at the very top of the market.

This summer, United have spent around 150 million pounds, culminating with the signing of Angel Di Maria for about 60 million and Radamel Falcao on loan. These two signings of a striker and a midfielder have prompted the departures of the very same, Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley.

This has led to much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the press (the same press criticising United’s transfer policy for not attracting the big names) that United are abandoning their traditions of developing youth.

Louis van Gaal, while possibly not the coaching God that many profess him to be, strikes me as hugely pragmatic man. He is faced with a United team staring at a horrendous decline, out of the Champions League and having suffered an awful start to the season.

Does anyone think that the two players that have been replaced have not been done so with big upgrades?

Danny Welbeck is United born and bred. Teams would all love to have players who have come through their own systems born a few streets from the ground. Even removing the sentiment, it makes perfect sense for a variety of reasons.

But what if those players are not good enough? In Welbeck’s case it’s maybe a touch harsh as the jury is still very much out. He splits opinion and many believe he’s a fine player but the truth is he’s a notch below the very best players that United covet.

English players usually carry a huge premium, and the fact he went for 16 million pounds only indicates the top teams were not interested in him. Arsenal will feel they have a bargain and time will tell whether Wenger can improve him, if so they may well be right.

In Cleverley’s case, the fact that England fans arranged a petition to have him excluded from the team tells you everything as to the perception of how good he is.

While at Ajax, Van Gaal oversaw a wonderful team with a plethora of Dutch talent, Michael Reizeger, Danny Blind, Frank and Ronald de Boer, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Marc Overmars and Patrick Kluivert.

While at Barcelona, he returned to Holland to take several of those players to the club as well as Phillip Cocu and Boudewijn Zenden. Barcelona required instant results and right now, so do United.

While these various footballing experts rush to blame foreign coaches, foreign owners and anyone else not at least three generations English, for the woes of the England team, they could consider that Johnny Foreigner actually provides the solution.

I firmly believe that the reason that English players are not flourishing in the EPL is because they are simply not good enough (and far too expensive).

That is a problem the FA needs to address through vastly improved infrastructure and coaching at a much younger level. The players are already too far behind the curve before they enter into the professional structure.

One way to attempt to combat this in the short term is for English and British players to be far more ready to move abroad. It is a singularly British issue that we are so reluctant to try anything new and the riches of the EPL make it too tempting to sit pampered on the bench.

Gareth Bale was already a wonderful player at Spurs, but going to Madrid will almost certainly improve him.

While towards the end of his career, Ashley Cole’s move to Roma is a refreshing one. Too few English players are prepared to take the great leap into the unknown. Likewise, Micah Richards’ move to Fiorentina is a pleasant surprise.

I’m quite sure the almost complete inability of the Brits (I am one) to wrap their heads around a second language is a big hurdle and surely a player such as Tom Cleverley could have benefited from a move abroad.

Southampton are being lauded right now for their development of English talent and rightly so. A true cynic however, could simply suggest that it is less than rocket science to figure out that concentrating on developing English talent attracts a huge premium in the market and is a very good way to run a business.

Southampton have cashed in big time this summer, selling English players such as Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, Calum Chambers and Rickie Lambert. They should be commended for both grooming them and the huge profits they have made.

The majority of the replacements they have duly signed are foreign. Spurs reinvested the Bale money heavily on foreign talent, to a degree Liverpool as well with the Luis Suarez fee. There is clearly a reason, or probably several.

Is it really sensible to suggest that the responsibility to develop players for the England team resides with Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger as one journalist suggested the other day?

It’s a dreadful cliché but football is a results business and managers are employed to do what’s best for their club.

If Van Gaal thinks United will do better this season and maybe next by employing Radamel Falcao instead of Danny Welbeck and he has the required resources, then should he really be thinking about England’s fortunes in the Euro qualifiers?

Spain have enjoyed the most wonderful period in their history with a batch of players the envy of the world. Their stars populated Real and in particular Barcelona through their wonderful period of success. However at look at the current Real and Barca line ups shows a slightly differing story.

Real’s forward line boasts James Rodriguez, Bale, Cristiano Ronaldo and Karim Benzema as well as a central midfield of Toni Kroos, Sami Khedira and Luka Modric.

Barca’s all-star forward line is formed of Suarez, Lionel Messi and Neymar.

While the two teams still boast the likes of Iker Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Andres Iniesta and Sergio Busquets, it’s hardly suggesting that the situation is vastly different in Spain to how it is in England.

Both teams recruited almost exclusively foreign talent this year while selling Spanish players.

Spanish players however are far more open to moves abroad. The EPL has seen Fernando Torres, Juan Mata, Xabi Alonso, Roberto Soldado, Pepe Reina, Alvaro Negredo and David Silva make the move.

Alonso has just moved again to Bayern, where he will team up with the (injured) Spanish duo of Javi Martinez and Thiago Alcantara.

The Spanish are clearly taking a far more pragmatic view of things. If Real and Barca are full of top foreign talent, no problem we will go abroad ourselves. If we’re good enough (and we seem to be) a top team will pick us up.

It is clear from running through that list of players that the talent on offer in Spain is far better than what is on offer in England. But again, this illustrates that the problem is in youth coaching in the UK, and not with the clubs being full of foreign players.

Spain has consistently taken prime young talent from South America, as well as enduring the likes of Real’s Galacticos policy, yet still won three major tournaments back to back.

English players moving abroad would not offer a magic wand, as the real issue is youth coaching and most of the damage will still already be done. But it certainly couldn’t do any harm.

The young Scot Ryan Gauld joined Sporting Lisbon this summer as he felt it was the best place to progress his career – he is a gifted diminutive attacking midfielder – rather than take the easy option of a big offer from an EPL club. It is refreshing but all too rare.

The English press will continue to blame Johnny Foreigner and the evils of money in football for the woes of the English football team. They will also extol the virtues of English football should one of these expensively assembled sides lift the Champions League.

The reality is that the problem lies at home, with the abject number and quality of coaches and a marked reluctance of their players to try different footballing cultures to blame.

Suggesting that the likes of Van Gaal and Mourinho have a moral obligation to wrong those rights smacks of newspapers selling copy through printing nationalistic nonsense.

The Crowd Says:

2014-09-06T02:23:08+00:00

The Minister

Guest


That's a whole article in itself Steven and it's a cultural issue. In British football culture "ball hogs" and show ponies were always something associated with those "dreaded" continentals or South Americans and frowned upon with all emphasis always being put on the collective as opposed to nurturing and developing such players and giving them the freedom of expression. Of course you don't necessarily need such players to win in football but such players have an X - Factor. The way coaching in the UK is practiced you will not produce many players with an X-Factor whereas other countries churn them out on a conveyor belt.

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2014-09-05T10:16:36+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


OK TM, I'd agree with you on every single part of that. Was put through that coaching myself. What you initially wrote was 'There’s plenty of young people that play football in England. They just aren’t very good at it. Nothing else to it.' so presumed you were just writing off the Brits as lousy at football and lost causes. I think what you and everyone else pretty much agrees on is it's the coaching. I just don't understand if everyone can see that's the problem, why not do something about it!?

2014-09-05T04:44:50+00:00

The Minister

Guest


There are hundreds of thousands of boys that play football in England. England just simply has no excuses for not producing more star players on a regular basis. It's not about the DNA of English or British kids vs the rest of Europe and the world. It's all down to coaching from a young age. UK coaching methods put great emphasis on athleticism and team work which is great but something is being neglected a long the way and that's an emphasis on technical skills and teaching players not to be scared on the ball. One touch football can be effective but if all you do is pass and move or shoot from a young age you will never develop that special "bond" with the ball as kids from other backgrounds have. Over the years a few notable exceptions stand out as in players who relished having the ball at their feet like Gazza and Glenn Hoddle but they were always few and far between.

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2014-09-05T00:07:14+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


TM, yes there are plenty of people who play football but there are also a huge amount of other competing sports and also a youth that is spending less and less time outdoors. I think it's unlikely that people from the 'UK' are simply 'born' less good than those from other European countries and so I think most are in agreement here that coaching is the problem. Both Ashley Cole and Micah Richards have recently moved to Italy, Gareth Bale (Welsh) and Ryan Gauld (Scotland) have moved to Real and Sporting Lisbon respectively. The point that myself and others are making is that the Premiership is trapping these players both mentally and financially and there is a marked issue there. As much as England have been underperforming, I think to suggest that the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Terry, Rooney, Cole etc would not have got games for the top 5 clubs in the nations you are mentioning is highly unlikely. Also, no one here is talking about England 'exporting' players. We are talking about individuals having the desire to try something new. If that means going in at mid table club abroad then so be it.

2014-09-04T20:07:21+00:00

The Minister

Guest


There's plenty of young people that play football in England. They just aren't very good at it. Nothing else to it. So England should export players? Who exactly? And which top 5 Spanish/German/Italian/French clubs would want them? Especially with their over-inflated market value.

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2014-09-04T14:36:31+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


Cheers for reading Griffo, much appreciated as always.

2014-09-04T12:59:26+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


In line with Ben's post and yours Futbanous I would say our young players are not afraid of leaving but the difference with a 16-18 yo is they may not have as many opportunities here (yet) and it is harder to get overseas without certain passports. On the other hand those 18+, while still willing to go, often make poor choices (or more likely ill-advised) and completely miss the point of development at that age - regular first team football. Completely agree they would be better off remaining here playing for a few more seasons and have more options if they continue to stay on top. The A-League 7-9 years ago was vastly different than it is today that it will help them rather hinder development like it may have done in the past.

2014-09-04T12:45:36+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Those stats and the costs charged by each association mentioned should be like a slap in the face with a soggy boot but the FA just keep stuffing pound notes in their pipes to notice. Another great piece Steve.

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2014-09-04T10:35:07+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


HG, I think the issue about beating up on the national team is a bit of a national trait to be honest but I have a feeling that nearly every other fan from another nation would probably say the same thing. It does feel often to me however that the press seems to revel in building them up to knock them down and you always get the impression that when England take the pitch that there is a fear factor for the players that they simply don't have playing for their clubs. England players rarely to me look like they're actually enjoying themselves versus the demeanours they exhibit for their clubs. Cheers for reading the piece.

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2014-09-04T10:32:08+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


Cheers Nick, much much appreciated! I honestly don't know why it's such an issue for British players. Possibly the language barrier is one that us Brits just don't want to tackle. Beckham did ok at Real but again I don't know if he bothered to learn the language. McManaman did fine too but they're more an exception than a rule, admittedly Michael Owen had a season there too. I also thinking joining Real or Barca is different from necessarily moving abroad as you're really focused on joining that massive institution rather than possibly thinking about the country you are moving to. The Bale transfer was interesting, again he was absolutely adamant that he wanted to go to Real. I thought he was possibly biting off more than he could chew but I think he's made a decent fist of it so far. I think as you say now, European teams would probably be very reluctant to sign British players and I'll be fascinated to see how both Ashley Cole and Micah Richards do in Italy. I remember Paul Parker and Des Walker going there after Italia '90 and it wasn't exactly a success. Italy used to be dreadful also for their players not moving abroad, there's an Italian term but I think it basically translated as 'dying' if you moved abroad. Guys like Vieri and Zola obviously changed that mind set and the likes of Zambrotta also went abroad admittedly after Juve were relegated. From a selfish point of view I'd like to see the best players playing in England but I think a bit of to and fro would be nice. For that reason I hope Cole and Richards both work out.

2014-09-04T08:47:01+00:00

Hand of God

Guest


English football teams since '66 have always choked. In Beckham's era the English team had prodigious EPL talent on its books, yet they won nothing. There has always been plenty of footballing talent in England, but the English put so much pressure on their team that the players crack. I'm English myself, and sometimes, I think we want to fail. That way we can all have fun complaining about it.

2014-09-04T07:51:42+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


Great to get another brilliant article from you steven, you had been quiet in recent weeks. You've by far the best understanding of world football on both sides of fhe roar and the fact you get published on the 'amateur'-ish right side always makes me smile. Couldn't agree more really. You make an excellent point about english players being reluctant to move to the continent. I think it is now so entrenched in european mentality that most euro clubs now have second thoughts before hiring english players. I would say that 20 years ago it was probably english players rather than euro coubs who didnt want the move but little by little european clubs have been accustomed to not even considering British players. The 'british/ english players don't travel well mentality' prevails, rightly or wrongly. The fact Bale is doing quite well might chnage things. Young talents like Sterling or Sturridge may well soon be the priority of the very few foreign clubs who can afford them. But personally I hope english football can keep them.

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2014-09-04T04:41:59+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


Yup Justin, I think most are in agreement the responsibility lies with the FA and better youth coaching.

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2014-09-04T04:41:27+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


Tom I think there's definitely a 'too much too young' syndrome which seems to be particularly affecting young English players. I think the marketing of the EPL and the status (and obviously money) that it brings makes players believe they've 'arrived' when actually they've only just started. You look at the behaviour of Rooney when he was younger, Jack Wilshire with the cigarettes and then mirror against that against say Cristiano Ronaldo. He might not be everyone's cup of tea but no one can ever question the professionalism he exhibits. The England team all looked out on their feet at the World Cup (yes I know about the weather blah blah) but the German team played just as many games on average am sure last year (many in the latter stages of the CL) and they all looked fresh. I know Zidane enjoyed the odd puff but generally many of the continental players appear at least to offer far more dedication to looking after themselves. Maybe just my perception though and probably a different discussion.

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2014-09-04T04:36:12+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


HP, those are some good points about the impacts it can have on your career outside of International football. John Barnes for instance was a supremely talented player (and a professional nice bloke it seems), one of England's most gifted ever yet was regularly booed for England in the early 90s. The England team was going through a malaise under Graham Taylor and they needed scapegoats. Alan Shearer used to be routinely booed also all around the grounds and I think that died down once he retired from International football - although I may be wrong. Lampard is another who outside of Hammers' fans seems a fairly amiable guy yet again he was often booed for England.

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2014-09-04T04:32:21+00:00

Steven McBain

Roar Guru


Absolutely Melbourne, as everyone is agreeing with here, the youth coaching is the real crux. Like I said, it would have to be something entirely unofficial so no regulating body could reference it which of course means it's entirely unenforceable as it would fall apart over night.

2014-09-04T04:22:02+00:00

Tom

Guest


I think the perspective changes when you're already earning many millions from your club and you have a very stressing schedule all year round.

2014-09-04T03:57:17+00:00

melbourneterrace

Guest


That would be illegal under EU law and still wouldn't solve the problem in England where youth development and coaching numbers are rubbish in the first place.

2014-09-04T03:23:08+00:00

HardcorePrawn

Roar Guru


I can recall an English player from a few years ago (possibly Tim Sherwood or Stuart Ripley, definitely one of that early-90s Blackburn Rovers squad) saying that if the then England manager offered all of his squad the opportunity to never play for England again, no questions asked, then he'd be left with about 2 or 3 players. I don't think it's a case of a lack of patriotism amongst England players, more that the impact to their careers should they stuff up in an England shirt can be so extreme. Look at what happened to Beckham after the 1998 World Cup: effigies being burnt at West Ham, those horrendous chants about his wife and kids. Or look at the abuse endured by every player that has ever missed in a penalty shootout: Pearce, Southgate, Waddle, Batty... With that sort of pressure it's hardly surprising that many players, who can often be willing to take risks and play in a certain way for their clubs, prefer to play it simple and dour when they pull on the white shirt.

2014-09-04T03:17:07+00:00

Justin Mahon

Roar Rookie


No they shouldn't, unless they believe the player participation in NT's enhances their development and ultimately club results.

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