Who needs the top four? What we learnt from Week 2 of the AFL's finals series?

By Avatar / Roar Guru

Who said finishing in the top four was important? North Melbourne and Port Adelaide may have missed out on finishing in the top half of the eight, but it didn’t seem to matter as they sent the Geelong Cats and Fremantle crashing out of September in straight sets.

And in doing so, both have earned themselves a shot at the Sydney Swans and Hawthorn in the preliminary finals, and both will have reason to be very confident that they can possibly set up a shock grand final place.

After all, they had defeated their respective opponents in their only regular season meetings this year – the Roos bouncing the Swans by 43 points at the SCG in Round 4 and the Power defeating Hawthorn by 14 points at the Adelaide Oval in Round 10.

For both teams, it will be their first preliminary final since 2007, when the Power thumped the Kangaroos by 87 points before going on to suffer the worst grand final defeat in history by 119 points against Geelong the following week.

Entering this weekend, only two teams in 15 years (Port themselves in 2001 and the West Coast Eagles in 2007) had suffered the ignominy of finishing in the top four and wasting their double chance, crashing out of the finals in straight sets.

And by the end of it, the Geelong Cats and Fremantle would join them in the ‘double chance hall of shame’, and it will lead to questions being asked of them and whether their premiership windows will remain open or shut for the time being.

For the Cats, who have now gone three seasons without reaching the grand final since 2011, it could signal the end of a dynasty that started in the very year their incumbent captain, Joel Selwood, burst onto the AFL scene, winning the AFL Rising Star award and featuring in their 2007 premiership team.

Against the Kangaroos on Friday night, the Cats were put on the back foot right from the very moment Lindsay Thomas kicked the first goal of the match inside the first 15 seconds.

Although the Cats would come back as many expected them to in the final quarter, the Roos would hold on to move through to the last four and set themselves up for a preliminary final showdown against the Sydney Swans at ANZ Stadium this Friday night.

After the loss, Selwood demanded his players “take a good look at themselves” and see what needs improving ahead of what shapes as possibly a dynasty-defining 2015 season.

Following the retirements and departures of many premiership players such as Cameron Ling, Darren Milburn, Matthew Scarlett, Joel Corey, Gary Ablett Jr and Paul Chapman, many AFL experts have believed that the Cats’ premiership window could be about to shut sooner rather than later.

But despite all the criticism aimed at them, the Cats not only finished second last year before falling to Hawthorn by less than a kick in the preliminary final, they also finished equal first with the Hawks and Sydney with 17 wins for the regular season, but third on percentage.

In the end, the absence of Steve Johnson due to a foot injury will be what ultimately conspired against them as they exited the finals series in straight sets for the first time since 1997, when they finished second before losing to the Kangaroos (the then-defending premiers who finished seventh) and eventual premiers the Adelaide Crows in consecutive weeks.

After finishing seven of the last eight years in the top three, with 2012 being the only blot when they finished sixth and exited the finals in week one, predictions of a slide down the ladder won’t be as surprising when AFL experts cast their predictions for season 2015.

What will drive the Cats to further success is the response to their critics, who have labelled them as “too old and too slow”, that they’re still “too good”.

That was what drove them to the 2011 premiership when many feared their premiership era would end after Mark Thompson and Gary Ablett Jr left the club for Essendon and the Gold Coast Suns respectively.

Another key player’s absence also conspired against Fremantle as they also exited the finals in swift fashion, coughing up a five-goal lead against Port Adelaide to lose by 22 points in their semi-final at Patersons Stadium.

In this case, it was Hayden Ballantyne whose absence was felt as the Dockers capitulated in the second half against a never-say-die Port Adelaide outfit who will now fancy their chances in next Saturday’s twilight preliminary final against Hawthorn at the MCG.

Not only that, key defenders Luke McPharlin and Michael Johnson were also missing, thus robbing the Dockers of some much needed experience at such a crucial time of the season.

It will also lead to questions as to whether their premiership window will either remain open or shut for a few years. Ross Lyon still remains the best coach in the business never to win that elusive AFL premiership cup.

And sadly, it’s the ultimate prize which will elude Lyon for another twelve months, as he and the Dockers ponder over what will be a long summer before they prepare for what could shape as an era-defining 2015 season.

Two of the club’s most loyal servants, Aaron Sandilands and Matthew Pavlich, will almost certainly be on their last legs and time is starting to run out on them to win a premiership before they retire.

Now, as has already been mentioned, the two preliminary finalists who have emerged from outside the top four to get this far defeated their respective opponents in their only meetings against them during the regular season.

Sydney Swans and Hawthorn who will be heavily favoured to meet in the grand final on Saturday, September 27. However, the Kangaroos and Port Adelaide may have other plans.

Will Sydney become the first minor premier since Adelaide in 2005 to fail to reach the summit match? Can Hawthorn go back-to-back? Or can North Melbourne and/or Port Adelaide break premiership droughts of 15 and 10 years, respectively?

All that will make for what should be two gripping preliminary finals to be played next weekend.

Sydney Swans versus North Melbourne
Friday, September 19
7:50pm
ANZ Stadium, Sydney

Hawthorn versus Port Adelaide
Saturday, September 20
4:45pm
Melbourne Cricket Ground

The Crowd Says:

2014-09-15T00:44:44+00:00

vocans

Guest


Not surprising in a season known for its evenness and upsets.

2014-09-14T12:24:57+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


No problem Fabes. I'm glade you like it.

2014-09-14T11:33:37+00:00

Stephen

Guest


Kangaroos will be boasting a few inclusions to their team that met Sydney too. Kangaroos side is better than when they met Sydney earlier in the year.

2014-09-14T11:07:54+00:00

Malahka

Guest


If it is a port v kangas game then all so called dynasties are done and dusted.... Unless the cats win next year!

2014-09-14T10:53:18+00:00

Stephen

Guest


Most recent past form is that North beat Sydney in Sydney and beat Hawthorn. That is fact. Just using your rationale. Sydney and Hawthorn have not beaten North this year.

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2014-09-14T10:51:00+00:00

Avatar

Roar Guru


The Roos last played at ANZ Stadium in an elimination final in 2008, losing to Sydney by 35 points. It was Shannon Grant's last game and the two teams had a controversial draw earlier that year. Also when the Roos beat Sydney earlier this year the Swans were underdone with Goodes and Tippett out injured, and Buddy below his best. But this will be a different Sydney team the Roos will face this Friday night.

2014-09-14T10:27:17+00:00

Dalgety Carrington

Roar Guru


North won't want to go to sleep at any stage or they will be crucified. When was the last time the Roos played at ANZ? It could be tricky taking on a new ground in a prelim. I'd say Petrie is the key though, he keeps firing and he could match both Buddy and Tippett in output.

2014-09-14T09:24:42+00:00

Fabes

Guest


Pro tip: Whoever is in front at the final siren at the big dance will win the Premiership.

2014-09-14T09:22:19+00:00

Fabes

Guest


Hawks need to make the Grandfinal first New York. Don't count your chickens....

2014-09-14T09:18:27+00:00

Fabes

Guest


Rick. I love reading your unbiased posts. You definitely seem to know what you're talking about and your analysis of teams/games are a great read. Cheers.

2014-09-14T09:14:57+00:00

Fabes

Guest


All the bandwagon supporters coming out of the woodwork. Where have you been Tony?

2014-09-14T05:34:00+00:00

Michael huston

Guest


Past form between the respective opponents. Hawthorn and Sydney are, at this point, above Port and North. It's difficult to deny that.

2014-09-14T04:26:24+00:00

Andrew

Guest


Im with you rick, those margins seem about right.

2014-09-14T03:51:17+00:00

Mark

Guest


Pro tip: saying pro tip is beyond lame. Don't.

2014-09-14T03:40:54+00:00

JohnD

Guest


Good summary, Rick.

2014-09-14T01:52:12+00:00

Bosk

Roar Rookie


Pro tip: Practice keeping your arrogance in check, it's still showing through pretty clearly.

2014-09-14T01:01:46+00:00

Axle an the guru

Guest


Its amazing how many people blamed the bye for a follow up defeat during the season,now people are saying its a massive advantage,which logic says it should be,but remember it dont always work that way. I think Hawthorn over Port in a hard fought encounter. North Melbourne are a very big danger to Sydney,it dont matter if it was early in the season or not,North know they have beaten Sydney in Sydney and are also brimming with confidence similar to what Richmond were before their Elimination Final,only unlike Richmond,North know they are playing for a Grand Final birth and are a much better side than Richmond. I wouldnt be surprised if North Melbourne pull this one off.

2014-09-14T00:56:21+00:00

EddyJ

Guest


Well, that was turn up for the books! We couldn't see how North or Port would get past Geelong and Fremantle respectively, but they threw away the history books and made it to the preliminary finals. The pairs of teams were evenly matched, but Port had the greater upset. Fremantle were reminiscent of North Melbourne in the 1998 Grand Final. Squandered so many chances in the first half, gave the opposition a sniff, and were too exhausted in the second half to withstand the Port Adelaide onslaught. We keep saying that it's impossible to win the premiership from outside the top four, and we might be saying that again after the preliminaries next week. But it's definitely something that will need to be reassessed. However, it's the tighter defences that win finals matches – North Melbourne have allowed too much free scoring, Port to a lesser extent – and for a range of other reasons (home ground advantage, extra rest), it's still pointing to a Swans v Hawthorn Grand Final.

2014-09-14T00:38:15+00:00

New York Hawk

Guest


But let me guess, while Port could really, really, really test the Hawks, you awesome Swanees would be too good for them? Quick lesson - Hawthorn's style of ball movement, ie quick, precision kicking - is faster than running. It is the main reason we have kicked 50 goals more than any team this year.

2014-09-14T00:36:29+00:00

New York Hawk

Guest


Maybe you are right. Would be hilarious if Sydney lost though and I will be cheering for North all the way from NYC at 5:50am on Friday morning. If that doesn't happen I hope we flog you in the granny for your disrespect towards the hawks.

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