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Dalgety Carrington

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Hopefully Blakely can get a full season in, but he’s definitely as near to ready to go as anyone.

Cerra and Brayshaw still have some developing to do, physically as much as anything else, so I don’t think they’re quite prime for season fulltime roles just yet.

Banfield might be someone who is more physically mature and has the capabilities to take huge developmental leaps to boot.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

The reason I mention McClure and Barrett (and trust me I wouldn’t do that lightly) is that both haven’t shown any reservations to lay the boots into Lyon and take the negative view of Lyon and Freo if there’s any ambivalence. So if they’re suggesting Lyon’s relationship with Neale is sound, they’d have solid information to support it.

Nick dal Santo obviously knows Ross Lyon personally and spoke quite definitively on the fact there were no issues in the relationship between Lyon and Neale. The way he said it sounded very much like he knew for sure and he has the means to do so.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

What are you on about?

We hire advisors/consultants/agents/managers to aid with decision making. How much of a say they have in various decisions will vary with the level of confidence we have in ourselves and them in that particular area.

Some managers/agents will also seek to have a greater role and influence as a matter of course. Colonel Tom Parker is an obvious example.

Add to that players who are pretty new to the AFL market, so are more predisposed to feeling uncertain and out of their depth, thus being more susceptible to influences. Players can get sheltered from making any key business type decisions their whole lives, so managers can easily have more sway in those cases too.

Anthony van der Wielden seems to be the sort of player manager that likes to get more involved in his clients lives rather than less, wants to be more friend than manager.

The Roar's 2018 AFL trade period report card - every club graded, as voted by you

I think it’s only fair that if you’re trying to trade off credit/credibility for your achievements as a coach you tell us which teams you coached and when.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Certainly 3-4 more wins could be reasonably expected should all go well.

We can only hope Hogan’s foots right for preseason (I’d be more than happy if they played the most cautious of cards with that injury, even if it meant we don’t see him until the second half of the season).

Two big questions will be 1) who’s going to step up in the midfield for Neale’s absence and 2) how long will it take them to get some chemistry in that forward line?

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Your dishonesty aside, yes winning or lack of it would’ve played a part in fomenting the seeds of wanting change.

Whatever role Lyon had in that W/L ratio is a matter of opinion, but you’re not one to attempt any sort of in-depth discussion with so I’ll put that aside. Nick dal Santo talked a few times the winning effect and it beat everything else in terms of the hard yards you go through as a footballer.

Both dal Santo and Montagna said during trade week that contrary to outside opinion, Lyon was a players coach and he was all in with them with no separation between them and him as a group.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

“grown men that miss mama’s cooking” More guffaws from you.

How far have you moved from your childhood home? It still sounds as though you’re banging away from your mums’ basement. 😀

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Hahaha get a room you two so you can roll around in your shonkiness together unfettered.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

By all approaching anywhere near credible accounts (e.g. Nick dal Santo, Sam McClure, Damien Barrett), the relationship between Neale and Lyon remained strong and positive.

That was why it was so hard for Freo to get their head around losing Neale. There was no obvious breakdown in relationship with anyone at the club, he was not going home and was still in contract.

It’s somewhat understandable that they would still think they could convince him to stay even late in the piece. This probably was a big factor in the somewhat extraordinary step that Chris Fajhan took to fly over to Perth to keep a hand in with Neale, while the trade period negotiations were going on.

I think a big part of Neale being more responsive to bailing was he became antsy at having no control over their list management. This may be why Bell perhaps started making rumblings about Bennell and others. It wasn’t him looking to put his stamp on Freo particularly, but was a response to Neale’s reasons for wanting to leave.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

If you think Ballantyne is the worst player on Freo’s list then you have absolutely no idea.

While I think he is on thin ice (mostly for the fact he can’t keep his feet 😉 ) I think it was Bartel who rated him really highly for the amount of running he does across a game. So it seems he might play a role that those who really understand the intricate machinations of modern team play for having been immersed in it can see more clearly than others don’t.

He’s also really valued for his work ethic and as a team builder off the field.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Well lookee here, if it ain’t one of the most dishonest posters on here looking to take the high moral ground on honesty.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Whatever floats your boat anon.

Melbourne, however, controlled the narrative on the deal and was putting out their PR through journo’s like Jay Clark constantly.

Wasn’t a fan of the contract “leak”, but his management denied the 8 years/$8mill so who knows where that came from. There was no leak on an “ankle”. For starters it was a navicular injury which is a mid-foot bone, and there was no leak necessary as it is an injury that had serious ramifications for a large number of athletes in the past, with many complications in recovery. It’s might well remain an issue for Hogan for a while yet.

Melbourne never offered 5 and 20 to Freo, in fact Freo never had 5 at all. The Demons’ line was always two high first rounders, right up till Freo put out the “we can’t meet Melbournes demands” release and walked out of the showroom as it were.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

I reckon about 80% of the blocking out of Freo as an option is to do with his player agent who has a major beef with Freo.

Some photos have been circulated yesterday that show Kelly and his kids lounging around in Dockers merch. Change in his management (or even Freo has a decent year) and it may not be anywhere near as certain that it remains a one horse race next year, which would be good for Geelong.

The Roar's 2018 AFL trade period report card - every club graded, as voted by you

Obviously Neale’s been huge for Freo, having taken out two of the past three B&F’s is a testament in itself, but a slab of that has been his durability. He won the B&F in 2016 when Fyfe missed 3/4’s of the year and Fyfe was leading the B&F this year until he was injured and missed a 1/4 of the year.

No doubt Neale was Freo’s second best player but there were a few players nipping at his heals on that score.

Brad Hill won the B&F in 2017 and he and his brother have greater potential to be match winners. Mundy is more deadly and efficient in the midfield, key forwards are the key for sustained success in the AFL without a doubt in my mind.

If you put a choice between Hogan and Neale as a straw poll to Freo fans before all this happened and I reckon a huge majority would’ve reluctantly opted for Hogan.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Really? Ramping up the drama with that take.

My read is that it was a throwaway line as part of broadcasting Freo having the no deal as an acceptable outcomes.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

That only got mentioned (second hand-note passing style) after Freo walked out of the showroom and in a PR back and forth.

All the talk from Melbourne up to that point centre on two high first rounders. If Melbourne was seriously offering that before then, why were they flailing and flapping about at the 11 & early second round bid?

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

They never walked away from Hogan, they just walked away from the deal Melbourne was pushing.

There was also some stories in the press here that Melbourne put an ultimatum to Freo and that was their response.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

Hawthorn will be a fascinating case study from this trade period.

It’s like they given up on buying new stuff and instead relying on driving around in their ute and grabbing old broken bits and bobs put out for the kerbside collection and hoping to turn it into something of worth.

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Finally we got one.

After years of searching and 25 years of trading, it took right till the last minute and it took Peter Bell with all his negotiating and hard bargaining skills, finally, fi-nall-lyy landed a Travis.

The Giants aren't done, Peter Bell is a golden god and other observations from this year's trade period

I reckon the manager had a fair influence on his decision. Van der Wielen is not the most professional in the AFL player-manager business.

He’s a part-time manager/agent and part-time real estate broker and seems to want to get real involved in his client’s lives.

He’s also the manager of Schloithe, who was not at all happy about being cut by Freo and irresponsibly bad mouthed Freo for far too long. A decent manager would not have allowed him to do that as it damages his prospects with other clubs.

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It’s a bit tricky for Freo to be generous on the Neale deal as they need to get Lobb in the door. Neale’s worth more than just pick 5 to Brisvegas. Especially with Beams half out the door. Pick 5 could walk out the door in 2-3 years, Neale will be much more bankable than any new draftee.

With the re-signings, I think Sandi still has a place given Darcy’s still developing and we saw this year he spent much of it injured. Sandi’s earned the right to be backed in, although I’m sure they’re not expecting him to get much more than 2/3’s of a season in and they’ll be transitioning him into a coaching role. Agree with you on Bennell, a speculator signing that is chancey but with talent to burn offsetting the risk.

Where to from here for Freo? A supporter's view

Me, I would be keen to get Hogan in the door this year. But I also appreciate that there is some uncertainty with his navicular that may have given Freo some reservations and scaled back the price they’re willing to pay.

There is a lot of hysteria aimed at Freo for being recalcitrant in the Hogan situation and Melbourne gets off scott free. I’d say they’ve pushed this situation (both as instigators of the trade and the brinkmanship situation that eventuated on Thursday-Friday) and are maybe playing a highly stubborn hardball game trying to compensate/cover-up their weakened position. They seem to have the added bonus of the weight of the Vic media being behind them.

I don’t know about the timeframe of 3-4 years for getting the list in contention. I think next year they’d want to be right in the thick of it for finals and be a substantial finals-force the year after. Fyfe’s prime is here and now.

I also think draft picks get massively overrated by most pundits.

Freo also have a history of playing it conservative in player trading. This reminds me a little bit of the Mitch Clark argy-bargy and they have shown themselves quite willing to walk away, which ain’t always a bad thing.

They should land Lobb soon and they’ll also be wanting some clear air on the Neale deal, as it seems the Lions are leveraging what’s happening with Hogan a bit to get more hand there.

Get those two deals done and Freo have left the door ajar on the Hogan deal with the comment “what Melbourne would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet”.

Where to from here for Freo? A supporter's view

It’s uncertainty that necessarily surrounds a navicular injury (odds on the medical wouldn’t have been able to provide certainty around it) that is very likely to have affected the price they were willing to trade.

Melbourne didn’t want to accept that so they put an ultimatum to Freo.

Freo accepted their ultimatum.

Dear Fremantle, I hope you know what you're doing

Dishonesty as usual from you.

Dear Fremantle, I hope you know what you're doing

There would have been zero crossover.

The last sentence means exactly what it reads to mean. The club is losing a player they’ve invested in, whatever the reason.

Dear Fremantle, I hope you know what you're doing