Do Queensland Country represent country Queensland?

By Simon Smale / Roar Guru

Brisbane City and Queensland Country face off in the first Queensland derby of the NRC on Sunday at Ballymore.

Both sides contain a host of Queensland Reds and club teammates, which should make this a ferociously competitive encounter at the spiritual home of Queensland rugby.

Announced on Wednesday, the two teams will also compete for the Andy Purcell Cup, an added incentive to a match that shouldn’t disappoint.

The fixture will rekindle memories of historic City veers Country games that have been absent since the advent of professionalism in 1996. However, marketing this match as City versus Country does not sit easily with all fans.

The naming of the Queensland Country team has come in for a bit of flack, with a few fans and commentators questioning the validity of the alignment with the ‘Country’ moniker.

I believe there are a couple of issues and misconceptions that need discussing and correcting regarding the brand of this Queensland Country side. Fundamentally however, I believe things aren’t quite as bad as they are being made out to be.

With a bit of tweaking, this team could help marry traditional country rugby with the professional game in the cities.

The primary criticism that I regularly come across is the lack of country players playing for the team. I think this is a slight misconception based around the fact that all the squad members play their club rugby in the Brisbane-based Hospital Cup.

This is fairly reasonable as, up until last year, this was the highest level of rugby below Super Rugby. Any player trying to break into the Reds would have to play at this level.

According to the redsrugby.com.au profiles of the original 35 squad members, 9 players were born in country Queensland and 17 have played in the country system, either at schoolboy level or club representative level.

Furthermore, five players previously represented the Queensland Country Heelers (Blake Enever (Colts), Ryan Freney, Rubin Fuimaono, Haydn Hirsimaki and Mitch King) and two of these players played for the Combined NSW-Queensland Country side that took on the British Lions last year (Enever and Hirsimaki).

This doesn’t seem too bad to me. As a comparison, the NSW Country Eagles have nearly half their squad listed as being from country towns, so the composition of the two country sides in the NRC is fairly similar.

So despite Queensland Country not being an origin representative side, there are a fairly decent proportion of players who identify as being from the country who are plying their trade in the team. These players are not always easily identifiable as country players because the vast majority of them are no longer country based.

In the professional era, players who do show talent in the country inevitably move to the city to take up scholarships for rugby schools. This is not always the case. Warwick-born Greg Holmes played his schoolboy rugby at Downslands College in Toowoomba for example, but the case of talented number 8 Lolo Fakaosilea is perhaps more typical.

Fakaosilea moved to Emerald from New Zealand as a boy, and had to travel two hours every weekend to play in the Central Highlands competition in Rockhampton. He was spotted playing for the Central Queensland Bushrangers in the Queensland Junior rugby union State Championships, where he was offered a scholarship to attend school in Brisbane, where his rugby has taken him to the Sunnybank Dragons and now the NRC.

This is the pathway that the country unions provide, and with the advent of a professional country team in the NRC and a little time, these avenues could seem more tangible for country players.

The second most common criticism of the Queensland Country team that I have read is where they have played. They played their first home game at Bond University on the Gold Coast, along with the naming sponsorship agreement has led some people to assume that the team are based there.

This has not proven especially popular on message boards, with fans claiming this is a Gold Coast side dressed up as a country team.

However, the team are actually based with Brisbane City at Ballymore. The team have only played one of their games at Bond University and this is mainly due to financial assistance being offered to the Queensland Rugby Union by Bond University.

Granted, of the four home games Country will play this season, the first two were on the Gold Coast (including the curtain raiser for the Argentina Test). The remaining fixtures took place at Ballymore last week, and will take place in Townsville on the 11th of October.

For me, the only unusual choice was to host the Rams game at Ballymore. Brisbane is not a country city and if anyone can let me know why Ballymore was chosen, I’d love to hear the reasoning.

I would suggest playing the match at the Toowoomba Sports Ground as a much better alternative. There is a capacity of around 9,000 (2,300 seated in the undercover grandstand ), the floodlights are up to NRL standard.

More importantly, it would be the only game to take place in the birthplace of Queensland Country rugby union, the Darling Downs.

In the match program for the Rams game, coach Steve Meehan talks up the opportunity for his players to “compete for the first time at the spiritual home of Queensland Rugby.”

How much better would the feeling have been for Country fans to see the team that has been marketed as theirs, play at the spiritual home of Country Rugby I wonder?

The NSW Country Eagles have taken three of their four games out to country NSW. Lismore, Orange and Dubbo is a good spread around the state, and the Queensland rugby union would do well to learn from this and take games to Toowoomba and the Sunshine Coast as well as Townsville next year.

That would be the best way to engage the country rugby community and encourage more support at matches.

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to attend the game on Sunday as I will be in country Queensland. As the game is not being shown on TV, I worry that an opportunity is being missed by the NRC organisers to spread the word.

This is a high profile game, and in theory should be cause for rugby clubs across the state to throw open their doors and have the game on the big screen. Unfortunately, despite all the positives surrounding this match, I imagine I would be able to count on one hand the number of people who will be watching it in the regions that the Queensland Rugby Union should be targeting and that is disappointing.

The Crowd Says:

2014-09-29T00:52:53+00:00

Lindommer

Guest


Rams? RAMS? That name's taken by the western Sydney side, thank you. And what's more they got in first in 2007! A small counter to the NRC naysayers, there were about 2,000 at Orange last weekend enjoying a beautiful spring day and the "Grazing at the Rugby" spread put on by the local foodies and wineries. Wonderful day. Some even travelled up from Melbourne to support the Rising. Impressive. Yesterday, there were 2,900 at Brookvale Oval on another mild spring day to watch the Rays and Rams go around. Give it time, this competition's got legs.

2014-09-25T16:42:57+00:00

Scrumpoacher

Guest


Your persistent negativity is not a personal attack sir, just a mere observation and report on it. There is no point deconstructing/arguing your points as the ship you are in has set sail...

2014-09-25T03:35:22+00:00

redbull

Guest


As a QLD country person I say there is no problem with the team except for the business of playing on the Gold Coast. Like some of the players, I moved to Brisbane for my own career reasons so I can immediately identify. But, the players are based in Brisbane, their supporters are likely to be country people who moved to the city, so just play the bloody game in the city.

2014-09-25T03:29:52+00:00

redbull

Guest


Are the keeping the Heelers name for the side that comes from QLD Country rather than country lads who are now living in Brisbane?

AUTHOR

2014-09-25T00:13:07+00:00

Simon Smale

Roar Guru


Michael that sounds like it could be an awesome road trip. Taking the opportunity to visit a new town and ground is something that doesn't happen so much over here what with the central, communal stadiums etc. It's also something that rugby clubs could make an end of season event out of... Like a post season tour type thing, take in the NRC game and play a game (or not) against a local side while you're out there. Get a bit more crossover between the city and country games.

AUTHOR

2014-09-25T00:09:14+00:00

Simon Smale

Roar Guru


I think Toowoomba would be an excellent location for it Richard. I know next to nothing about the rugby scene in Toowoomba (or indeed anything else about the place) but that's where the historic roots of Queensland Country rugby are and to tap into those roots would make the most sense to me. Maybe we should start badgering the Wagners into helping out ;-) I think the QRU are taking on most, if not all, of the management on both the Queensland teams in order to get them off the ground, so perhaps the sides will be more open to investors and sponsors after the initial bedding in phase?

2014-09-24T23:39:26+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


So scrumpoacher, Having an alternative view is instead interpreted as "running down the comp"? Are you aware we live in a democracy? I'm exercising my right to a different viewpoint. Your best bet is to deconstruct my position with a superior logic response. Also, your use of the word 'retorts' suggests you were aiming to deliver a personal attack against me rather than concentrate on the debate.

2014-09-24T23:15:08+00:00

Michael Lee

Roar Rookie


It will certainly die if every Rugby fan had an attitude like yours. A lot of my rugby friends not only know it is on, but are actively supporting it. Thursday has become the favourite night of the week, as there is an opportunity to sit down and watch some good quality, previously unknown rugby players strut their stuff, as well as see what Lloyd Johansson looks like after he has eaten 6 sheep! I do not know much about the QLD country side but the Eagles have some great supporters and there are a large group of us making the trek to Dubbo to support the boys as well as congratulate the Roos on their 3rd and 1st grade premierships this season. I would have been happier if blokes like Ben McCalman and Pat McCutcheon were in the Eagles squad but there is still plenty of Country lads representing. As Brett mentioned, there are a few real positives that have come from the NRC already with young talent being signed by the Super Rugby Franchises. I like the look of Jim Stewart the outside centre for the Stars. Strong kid.

2014-09-24T13:53:03+00:00

Squirrel

Guest


Go the roosters this weekend a local team I can support. Johnno you go for the Chookies.

2014-09-24T09:30:45+00:00

kunming lion

Guest


It seems most of their detractors are as well.

2014-09-24T07:59:42+00:00

Scrumpoacher

Guest


Where are my other comments going mods? You will let Sheek et al run down the comp ad nauseum but retorts not allowed? Great work...

2014-09-24T07:24:52+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


Yes probably brett. I think the mood around rugby is quite apathetic and to some extent negative these days, dunno why really. I can feel, even on the roar, that many fans just want to denigrate the sport itself, the comps, the refs, the rules, countries not winning enough, nations winning too much etc. I think many have become blasé. Perhaps too much rugby or not enough promotion as you say. I also think that some players moving overseas or sustaining lengthy injuries hasnt helped. We can say what we want but I still think Oz rugby with Joc, QC, Moore and soon Hunt will have a higher profile in the media. Most of us roarers dont need those guys to go to grounds on weekends but many casual fans may need those names to pay attention and follow the sport.

2014-09-24T07:23:05+00:00

Squirrel

Guest


Should do a poll in how many ROARERS have been to a game or seen on TV.

AUTHOR

2014-09-24T07:01:11+00:00

Simon Smale

Roar Guru


I think that is part of the issue facing the team, and the associated costs with being nomadic will always be a handicap in my opinion, but I hope (in a crazily optimistic way) that eventually, after a couple of years of the competition, the popularity will be such that crowds in the country will make the trips worth while. The best players, in the professional era simply have to move to the cities in order to attend the sporting academies that are based there, and that is true of every sport, not just rugby. I guess I'm hoping that a successful national competition with a country team will encourage country fans not to turn their backs once players move away, in the knowledge their products will come back to play a match locally every other season or so.

2014-09-24T05:58:25+00:00

Johnno

Guest


lol, zero

2014-09-24T05:53:58+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


I assure you it was 31 at the time! And I really didn't misunderstand you all. You just can't see a country-based side working in a professional competition because of it's traditional nomadic existence. I think that's something that may or may not work, but that the history of Country playing in different towns and cities can be a major help in knowing what's required to make it work. If that's me being glass half full in this case, so be it..

2014-09-24T05:24:17+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Yes Brett, It's very embarrassing. Hopefully the multiple responses will be removed soon. BTW, I counted "ONLY" 23 multiple responses. ;-) No, you totally misunderstand me, the intent is not "that's just the way it's always been." What I was doing was demonstrating the history of how the Country teams have evolved, & the problems they face being in a national comp. Which happen to be unique to their situation. However, if the ARU wants to stretch logic every which way to suit their purpose, then they will. Anyway, I think I need to develop a more meaningful life.....

2014-09-24T05:15:08+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Then that's simply a question of promotion Johnno, which to be fair, the NRC is not in isolation, is it? The promotion and marketing of rugby in general has been lacking in recent years..

2014-09-24T05:02:12+00:00

Johnno

Guest


I meant, with "NRC" is not whatever else. Bad grammar, I meant whatever else at least the NRC is not going broke, unlike the ARC. To delay the comp well you right you got me there, I just want to know why aren't more people going to the games or more talk on the street about this comp. Where's the hype, it doesn't seem to be there.

2014-09-24T04:57:48+00:00

In Brief

Guest


So prior to the NRC commencing we are given some criteria that the ARU is looking at. Large crowds was not one of the criteria. In fact it was predicted that crowds in the first year would be between 1- 2 thousand. Now the season is underway, and the crowds are exactly where they were expected to be and suddenty the sky is falling in. Yes, there is no coverage of the NRC. We know that. As the competition grows so will the support. If you are a rugby fan, why deathride the NRC ? Some guys on here are worse than the old leather patch brigade ever were. Or perhaps they are the modern version.

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