Could a knockout cup reinvigorate rugby league?

By Epiquin / Roar Guru

In the 1974 Amco Cup, Western Division – a team of part-timers from the heart of country New South Wales – overcame a number of premiership clubs to take out the competition.

The Amco Cup (which was also known by a variety of other sponsor’s names) was a made-for-TV, knockout competition played midweek.

I was only a year old when the cup was last played and know very little about it. But when reading the winners list, there are a lot of familiar names.

Clubs like Souths, Manly, Parramatta and even Cronulla are all there. However one name stands out. Western Division’s victory in ’74 has recently been publicised in the book ‘The night the music died: How a bunch of Bushies forged rugby league’s last great fairytale’, and it’s one of the great underdog stories of Australian sport.

This got me thinking about what role a knock-out competition could play in Australian rugby league today.

After all, the UK has had its Challenge Cup since 1896 and is considered a highly prestigious piece of silverware. This knockout competition sees semi-pro clubs from all over the UK and beyond compete for the chance to play in front of 70,000 at Wembley and perhaps knock-off a champion side.

Australia has recently seen the launch of the FFA Cup, which pits A-League franchises against some of the most well-known Australian football clubs in a knockout tournament.

Many see this tournament as a way to reconcile ‘new football’ with ‘old soccer’. That is, to finally link the future of Australian football with its past.

In some ways, doesn’t rugby league face a similar schism?

Think about some of the most recent events in rugby league’s history, like the merging of clubs, the banning of the biff, and the rationalisation of grounds. Many are embracing the way rugby league is heading, while others bemoan the loss of traditions.

Could a Challenge Cup-style tournament breathe new life into the code? If so, how would this competition work and what structure would it take?

The current Challenge Cup structure involves 44 amateur teams entering in Round 1. A Russian team joins the winners in Round 2. Round 3 sees the admission of 21 semi-pro teams, as well as three French sides, while the fourteen Super League sides join in Round 4. Including finals, the whole competition involves 8 rounds.

One of the great things about the Challenge Cup is that it is not exclusively for clubs. It also includes armed forces sides, a police side and university champions, among others.

I envisage an Australian knockout tournament could work in the following format, though I am keen to hear alternatives.

Round 1 could include senior sides from affiliated states (Western Australia, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Northern Territory) as well as armed forces, NSW and Queensland Police, NSW and Queensland Country representatives and university champions.

Joining the winners in Round 2 would be the winners of the Ron Massey Cup, FOGS Colts and Pacific Island senior teams.

Round 3 would see the entry of NSW Cup and Queensland Cup sides, as well as more highly ranked Pacific Island teams.

I am unsure as to whether the NRL sides could play a part in this competition. The most obvious issue is player burnout. If an NRL side made it to the final it would most likely be an additional four games to their season.

It’s also unlikely that NRL clubs would take the concept seriously, with the premiership still being the main prize. Perhaps only the eight sides who miss the playoffs could take part.

However even without the NRL sides, a competition like this could still offer a lot of benefits to the game. It could help nationalise the game, with clubs from all over Australia taking part. It’s also a great way to identify and develop local talent.

If done well, it could also draw some of the magic back to local league, with big games played in front of local crowds. There’s always the opportunity to add a bit of spice to the local derbies and a chance for a major upset.

Obviously I’m not suggesting this comp would sell out ANZ Stadium for its first season, or that TV networks would be rushing out to throw money at the concept. It certainly won’t rival the NRL premiership as the premier competition.

But it doesn’t need to. A tournament like this would be about capturing the imagination of league fans everywhere. It’s about hanging on to some of the traditions that the modern game is losing, like picnic rugs on the hill. It’s about reengaging fans at a local level and getting them out supporting the grass-roots.

It’s a great way to unify league across Australia at all levels and in all states. Sure there would be costs involved, but smart planning could help minimise this. If it is successful, sponsorship and TV money would follow.

So what do you think Roarers? Could a concept like this work for Australian rugby league? Can it work without the NRL superstars? Are there alternatives?

The Crowd Says:

2014-10-09T22:26:39+00:00

millsy of perth

Guest


I like it more bigleague football like the concept mentioned during origin

2014-10-09T12:32:52+00:00

chis

Guest


If the NRL was cut to 20 rounds and play them on the 2 weekends before and after SOO then you could defo fit a comp like that in. Brisbane/Newcastle and Illawarra do have a proud Rugby League history before they joined the ARL.

2014-10-09T11:16:34+00:00

tiffington

Roar Rookie


I would have 32 teams. 16 NRL clubs plus 16 from the lower tiers (decided through qualifying rounds). Round of 32: Played during the pre-season. Seeded - each NRL team plays a lower tier team at the home ground of the lower tier club. Round of 16: Played same weekend as Origin 1 Quarter finals: Played same weekend as Origin 2 Semi finals: Played same weekend as Origin 3 Final: Played same weekend as ANZAC test

2014-10-09T10:33:50+00:00

Sleiman Azizi

Roar Guru


That's a great idea.

2014-10-09T09:25:12+00:00

Johnno

Guest


A knockout cup in 9's could be a success, some upsets there.

2014-10-09T05:32:41+00:00

godfrey

Guest


I don't think we'll see the days of mid-week knockout cups again, not with professionals. By why not a Pre-Season Cup with 24 teams: 16 NRL teams + West Coast, Northern Territory, South Australia, Central Coast, Brisbane II, Central Queensland, New Zealand II & PNG 4 pools of 6 teams play 2 pool games each, then the 4 pool winners play-off with Semis then a Cup Final Also Northern Pride winning the State Championship is just the start. Only a matter of time before PNG, NZ, WA, VIC & Fijian teams are involved

AUTHOR

2014-10-09T04:17:04+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


Hadn't thought of using the Origin break like that. NRL clubs without their Origin stars against lower-tier sides would make it a more even contest.

AUTHOR

2014-10-09T04:16:05+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


I have to agree with you there Jaime. Realistically this tournament wouldn't go for any longer than 8 weeks. The early rounds would probably only be local derbies, while the ARLC, not the clubs, would foot the bill for any logistics. As you mentioned, if done successfully, sponsorship or TV money could potentially cover any costs involved.

AUTHOR

2014-10-09T04:13:43+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


Hi HT, As I've said above, I'm not saying the NRL NEEDS reinvigorating, I actually think the game is in the best shape its ever been. I'm suggesting that this would be a great way to reengage grass roots players and fans, create better pathways and nationalise the code. Perhaps those NRC "clubs" could take part in our Challenge Cup for a bit of exposure lol.

2014-10-09T03:56:50+00:00

Hi There

Guest


Rugby league hardly needs "reinvigorating" after a ground record and 4.5 million people just watched the NRL GF. You might be better off "reinvigorating" union with its inability to sell out grounds and next to no-one watching on TV. Don't get me started on that wonderful "NRC". lol

2014-10-09T03:22:48+00:00

Jaime O'Donnell

Guest


Sought of agree with your sentiments The Barry however, if football/soccer can have what appears to be a successful FFA Cup, which in the round 32 saw a local Canberra team (Tuggeranong) fly to Tasmania to play against South Hobart, I'd be pretty confident the NRL could afford to subsidise this sought of competition, it could even be a chance to engage with one of the domestic carriers for sponsorship. I feel that you'd probably see the clubs trotting out reserve grade or their U/20 players for the early rounds and if successful and having a chance to win the cup then put the big boys on the park. Over all it is probably worth a look, and would provide a chance to return something to the grass roots. Who knows maybe even the Cronulla may be able to win another piece of silverware ;)

2014-10-09T01:56:01+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


You're right Alvin. Imagine if a substandard team got a favourable draw and a few lucky results to make it to the final against an NRL powerhouse. It would be just like the 2014 Grand Final ! Hahahaha

2014-10-09T01:54:01+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


There'd need to be players you'd know or you wouldn't watch anything before the final. Do clubs in the alternate states and below NRL level have the money to be jetting around the country? I think it's a great concept but it's so hard to put into practice when you think about the logistics involved.

2014-10-09T00:58:43+00:00

Alvin Purple

Guest


Unlike soccer the potential for players from a lower league to get seriously injured is much greater. The english do have the challenge cup but no real upsets happen like soccer which has a much different scoring system. As suggested by others lets get the international game right and that will really add some value

2014-10-09T00:58:03+00:00

Sleiman Azizi

Roar Guru


It probably needs fine some fine tuning but I think the concept is a good one. Having lower tiered clubs play each other as warm ups to main games seems with eventual winners playing NRL teams that don't make the finals might be a good option to explore.

2014-10-08T23:52:55+00:00

tiffington

Roar Rookie


A knockout cup is a great idea. I would like to see NRL clubs involved. An option would be to suspend the normal NRL rounds during Origin period and play the knockout cup on those weekends.

AUTHOR

2014-10-08T23:42:08+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


Thanks melbourneterrace. I'm not really trying to suggest that a knockout comp should rival the NRL. It's more about reminding people that quality Rugby League can exist outside the 16 NRL clubs, celebrating grassroots football and creating a more national code at a local level.

AUTHOR

2014-10-08T23:38:41+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


I absolutely agree that international League is the biggest avenue for growth, and I myself am a huge supporter of growing the game overseas. However it is of perhaps equal importance that people engage with Rugby League at a grass-roots level to ensure we nurture and develop new talent. May I remind you that Rugby League is still a niche sport outside NSW and QLD? I am suggesting that a knockout cup COULD reinvigorate League, particularly at a local/regional level. I'm not suggesting that the code NEEDS it.

AUTHOR

2014-10-08T23:34:28+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


I guess I'm asking the same question myself. Who would want to watch this? I think I would. Maybe not the first couple of rounds, but I think seeing WA and VIC clubs maybe getting a few Eastern State scalps might draw a bit of interest.

AUTHOR

2014-10-08T23:30:27+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


I don't believe it is in the doldrums at all. Quite the opposite in fact. However, I do believe that something like this is a great way to reinvigorate people's passion for grass-roots league and to help nationalise the code.

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