Kurtley Beale stood down: investigated for inappropriate text messages

i agree, and hopefully not rush to make a call until the answers come in, though i personally doubt he would have come out so quickly unless he was very confident it wouldnt come back to bite him. one explanation for that is he's telling the truth. but when the investigations done i think the aru wont be able to sweep any anti link truth under the carpet. in that scenario they make beale the scapegoat but beale isnt at the end of his earning potential and need the payout like tuquiri was and doesnt have as much to hide if all he did was send dodgy text messages which we know already. he'd be happy to tell all i'd say if they punt him now. plus i can live without ever knowing. the decision makers will know and make their decisions accordingly.

Until McKenzie satisfactorily justifies his decision to miss a team function in Perth and a training session in Mendoza to instead accompany Ms Patston to the airport - our choice remains to keep asking questions.

what are our choices? mckenzie or an anonymous email posted on the internet?

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i'll bet you guys just looked all of that up on facebook didnt you.

South Africa don't even have kangaroos... (sorry, it had to be said)

And I for one welcome our new insect overlords!

No seriously AndyS, what you're saying is not and never has been the law of this country. Jibba, you might help us out with a reference to the case law that you're relying on. You might remember that Bob Ellis honestly believed a story about a politician's wife and then wrote a book including that story. Do you remember how much Ellis was ordered to pay? As far as "who you go after" the answer is you go after everyone you can. You might have noticed that media outlets have stopped short of making the kind of scurrilous accusations that have been posted here. Why do you think that is? So, Ms Patston, I don't know who you are except that you work for the Wallabies and that you and Kurtley have had issues. Those issues are being investigated. You are not being investigated. Kurtley is. I don't know what your marital or relationship status is so I'm not going to comment on it. I don't know what you do at the Wallabies so I'm not going to comment on whether your job is critical or peripheral or how good you are at your job. I don't know whether you made a complaint about Kurtley or whether someone else did. If you made the complaint Im not going to try to guess whether you had any motive because I still don't know who the hell you are. Of course, there are others on this site who have quite novel views about what you're able to say about people in public. They are of course courageously posting under false names. The Roar, which I love reading and posting on, seems content allow this stuff to be posted on their site. It is now entirely a matter for you.

@Tigranes : well I happened to read the interview the lady gave to one english tabloid. it was porn.!!! (circa 2006) however, it explains his success with the ladies , as she said he had 8+ and was very kinky :P i think he got sacked becoz of what she said about him (that he had sex with her in the FA offices , etc.) more than anything else , coz his coaching was ok and never interfered with his affairs.

Hi Roarers, I seem to remember somewhere that Di Patston said in the heat of the moment on the plane to Kurtley that his career was over or something to that effect. Would that now tie in with her arriving home and now these allegations have surfaced about the inappropriate text et. I feel sure that the lady has reported the matter to Pulver in retaliation for what was said on the plane. You don't mess around with a woman. Still Kurtley is too young to know this. I'll bet he now is much better informed about arguing with a woman. This will roll on for a time until his contract runs out, the ARU will not renew it and Kurtley Beale will be playing league next year or perhaps saying something in froggy tones

So who's telling the truth, Rhino? Actions speak louder than words is a recognised truism that applies to this drama very well. If it's there, it'll come out sooner or later.

I think you place to much faith in law. By itself it wouldn't be, but it would probably suffice if it was clearly expressed as an opinion rather than a statement of fact and a feasible interpretation of known facts. Where you might fall down is that it would not likely be a matter of public interest, whereas people say stuff like that (and worse) every day about celebrities, politicians, companies, etc with no comeback.

Being reported now that McKenzie has officially denied any personal relationship with Di Patston and was also unaware of the inappropriate text till just before the Argies game, not in June as Georgina Robinson at Sydney Morning Herald wrongly reported today. But I doubt the conspiracy theorists in the pro-Beale camp will change their tune.

It is if she was !! Remember this site is 'an opinion' site and is stated as such at the top. Comments have been based and interpreted on information already provided in the public arena via the general media. The ARU is at fault here for the delay and muddling way they have gone about responding to the incidents and the press. There is case law to say 'honest belief' is reasonable and case law that says it is not - not sure on the latest interpretations... but this is too big a mess for anyone to start suing anyone commenting on already reported information and processes. You would go after the initial reporting media first - not the commentators or the commentating vehicles / agencies. The ARU would appear to be the ones most liable here given they are the employer of all parties.

Jibba Jabba - its easy just type colon close bracket :)

AndyS, it is no defence to say that I honestly believed that your wife was sleeping around when I posted it on the internet. Do you think it should be?

Are there kangaroos in South Africa ??

Why should he be gone - in this matter all he has done is send a silly text, apologise for it and perhaps badmouth a person who by all accounts should not be in the organisation and has not earn't the respect of all parties....his position is recoverable - the coaches perhaps not. .

The Tah's had the Wallbies starting 2,7,9,10,11,14 and 15. If a team like the Chiefs had what the equivalent AB starters they'd have: Coles McCaw A.Smith Cruden or Barrett Savea Fekitoa Ben Smith I.Dagg. Plus the Tahs had Potgeiter who was in beastmode. Why is everyone surprised the Tahs won,,they had 7 Wallaby starters.

FFS, I just had time to listen to the end of that, and Waugh was gunning for a complete Tahs backline, including replacing Kuridrani with AAC at 13!!