The Rugby Championship: The Big Questions grand finale

By Brett McKay / Expert

So the Rugby Championship has wrapped up for another year and yeah, yeah, that mob in black across the Tasman has claimed the title for the third successive season. Greedy sods.

I can’t even really say we saw a couple of upsets in the final round last weekend, because South Africa were always going to be a chance at Ellis Park, and Argentina have long been due their maiden TRC win.

Biltong, Digger, and I have decided to really go out on a bang with the final edition of the Big Questions, which will wrap up the forum. Plus, after a hasty exchange of emails between the three countries, we have also selected the Big Questions Team of the Rugby Championship, which was an interesting exercise in selection and horse-trading.

Personally, I want to thank my two eager co-contributors for making this forum the success it’s been every Friday for the duration of TRC. I never once had to chase either of them for copy, with questions more often than not coming in before the reminder.

If the editors let us, I’d love to resurrect the forum again 2015.

The guys will have their say today in the comments, but I also extend the thanks to everyone who got involved along the way, be that in response to something we put forward, new questions, or even just telling us how much you enjoyed the forum. It really has been an enjoyable series.

So, for one last time…

Brett McKay asks: What was your biggest surprise of the tournament?
It’s very easy to say the Argentinean scrum on its own, but I think Los Pumas overall have been the big surprise packets. I mentioned in the intro that their win over the Wallabies should hardly be seen as an upset, because they really should’ve beaten the Springboks in Salta back in August.

In fact, they probably should’ve won games last year, too.

I mentioned earlier in the tournament that what I like about the Pumas is that they play a really simple game really well. Their scrum is clearly their strength, and they used it as an attacking weapon regardless of whether they had the feed.

But they were hard at the breakdown all tournament, too. If they didn’t have the ball, they had a crack at any slight glimpse of it in the ruck, and competed until they got it. And when they did get it, they played a wonderfully expansive but ad lib game as if it was the last play of the match.

They’re a wonderful addition to the Rugby Championship, and now that they’re back into the world top 10, I can see them really causing headaches in the coming years.

Digger: The All Blacks losing (Joking. Sort of. Still hurts…)

I would have to say the performance of the Wallabies. From afar, I thought this was a team on the up and expected bigger things from them but they really have faded badly in this tournament.

I appreciate injuries played a part along with ‘peripheral’ issues that must have been unsettling but overall they have been disappointing in my view and look to have a lot of issues to resolve moving forward.

Biltong: The Argentinean scrum. We all know Argentina has traditionally been strong in the pack, but the way they monstered the Springbok scrum in the early stages of the tournament was totally unexpected and phenomenal.

Diggercane asks: Nominate your pick for the best player of the Championship and why?
An easy selection for me: Duane Vermeulen.

The intensity and physical presence he brings to the Springbok pack must be inspirational, and to turn in an 80-minute performance like he did at Ellis Park, after being under an injury cloud all week (and requiring a cortisone injection, I am led to believe) was the stuff of legend. Outstanding tournament from the big number 8 and surely must be in consideration for World Rugby player of the year if his form continues through the balance of the international season.

And dare I say it, a future Springbok captain?

Biltong: You have to look at who made the biggest impact for each team, and then on the tournament as a whole, and in my mind there is only one player. Duane Vermeulen.

Without South Africa’s first choice backrow, Vermeulen had to step up and take more responsibility in the tight exchanges and breakdowns. Even under an injury cloud, his work rate was incredible and he was the rock for South Africa.

It is his general work rate and effectiveness that puts him at the top, he is in the top ten for the tournament in line out takes, carries, tackles and defenders beaten.

Brett: Vermeulen is a standout – I suspect Digger knew that when he asked the question!

So I’ll throw Nicolas Sanchez into the discussion too, just because. Sanchez has been the difference for Argentina this year, taking them from being a competitive unit in recent seasons, to the side they are now, capable of beating just about anyone on their day.

Biltongbek asks: What was your try of the tournament?
Digger: Perhaps because it is fresh (and painful) in the memory but I would opt for South Africa’s first try from the Ellis Park Test, which was an 80-metre effort finished off by Francois Hougaard.

Not only a stunning effort but in hindsight a pivotal moment in the match for the Springboks that not only showed they were willing to play expansively but could convert opportunities.

I felt it took a while for the All Blacks to adapt defensively to the pace of the Boks in that first half, with the Springbok outsides finding quite a bit of space on the outsides in that first half.

Biltong: I will go with Diggercane on this one. It is seldom you see South Africa score 80-metre tries, it has become a more regular feature these days that they are prepared to attack from deep. The fact that they were under pressure, saw the space, executed the move, and most importantly made a statement.

Brett: That try of Hougaard’s was great, but there’s been heaps of cracking tries this year. As good as Hougaard’s was, I could point to several others just as good.

Rob Horne’s match-winner against South Africa in Perth was a beauty, Cornal Hendricks’ against New Zealand in Wellington was superb, and Manuel Montero’s effort against the Wallabies on the Gold Coast was maybe the best individual try of them all.

The one I’ve gone for as the best was Kieran Read’s against Australia at Eden Park. It started with a turnover deep in All Blacks territory, went wide through several sets of hands before Julian Savea found some space. About 30 metres out, Savea kicked off the outside of his right foot back infield, where Malakai Fekitoa regathered yet somehow was stopped short.

Sam Whitelock and Read both arrived at the back of the ruck around the same time, and Whitelock had the smarts to motion to Read to stay out. Whitelock picks up the ball, draws the defender, and offloads to Read to crash over. Brilliant team try.

The Big Questions Team of the Rugby Championship
1. James Slipper (Aus)
2. Dane Coles (NZ)
3. Ramiro Herraro (Arg)
4. Brodie Retallick (NZ)
5. Sam Whitelock (NZ)
6. Marcell Coetzee (RSA)
7. Richie McCaw (NZ – Captain)
8. Duane Vermeulen (RSA)
9. Aaron Smith (NZ)
10. Handre Pollard (RSA)
11. Julian Savea (NZ)
12. Jan Serfontein (RSA)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (Aus)
14. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Aus)
15. Ben Smith (NZ)

This proved to be an interesting exercise on several fronts. We decided up front we’d avoid picking blokes out of position (unless we had no option), and that three votes would be required for automatic selection. In the end, only six of the 15 selection required any degree of debate. I have to admit this was a surprisingly low number.

Those generating the debate were: Coles, Coetzee, Serfontein, Kuridrani, Ashley-Cooper, and Ben Smith.

At hooker, Digger won us over by saying, “Coles for mine has had a very consistent tournament and has greatly improved from last year. Lineout throwing is spot on and he has greatly improved his physicality in tight to compliment his already impressive work rate across the park and skills with ball in hand.” Bismarck du Plessis and Agustin Creevey were the honourable mentions.

Flanker was a hot field, which included Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe and Schalk Burger, with Biltong rightly reasoning that while Fernandez Lobbe and Burger were excellent in patches, “Marcell Coetzee had a high work rate throughout the competition.”

The centres and fullback were tough picks, with several strong but not necessarily outstanding options. Of the three selected, we all picked two of them, so some shuffling resulted in Serfontein (who Biltong rightly pointed played mainly at 12, despite wearing 13) and Kuridrani in the centres, and Smith at fullback. Juan Martin Hernandez was the unlucky player.

This meant we just needed a right winger, and while Cornal Hendricks was a handful in attack, we all had concerns around his defence, and the guys further agreed with my point that Ashley-Cooper was “just the most consistent of all the 14s.”

Rugby diplomacy at its best…

The Crowd Says:

2014-10-12T07:41:44+00:00

Bobbo7

Guest


Not worried about the ABs all. This year the Ellis test was a dead rubber and we still only just lost. ABs not peaking too soon and plenty of depth coming through.

2014-10-11T03:00:42+00:00

WQ

Guest


I would love to watch a game of Rugby at La Plata Stadium, the atmosphere looks amazing on Television.

2014-10-11T00:07:31+00:00

Digs

Guest


Aaah, if only the Wobblies had a scrum like that!! What a piece of art that is!!

2014-10-10T22:50:40+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


correction #5 Keven 2 RTOW, not 3

2014-10-10T22:40:52+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Coles: #1 vs Oz Sydney. Played 52' - 2m run, 4 tackles, 0 offloads, 0 RTOW - Charles 80', 5m 6 tackles 0 ROTW - 2 scrums TO won. 0 TO lost. Coles was replaced by then - 3 Lineout TOlost, 4 lineout TOwins #2 vs Oz Auckland, Played 65' - 25m run, 6 tackles, 2 offloads - tied with Retallick, 2nd only to Hooper - Charles 31' 0m 4 tackles. Hanson 0m 9 tackles 1 RTOW - 1 scrum TO won, 1 TO lost. Not including 1 pushover try won (with one man advantage) - 0 Lineout TOlost, 1 lineout TOwins #3 vs SA Wellington. Played 70' - 17m run, 1 tackle, 2 offloads - 1 tackle, 0 RTOW - Adriaan 0m, 7 tackles 1 RTOW. BdP: 5m 4 tackles 2 RTOW - 0 scrum TO won, 1 TO lost - 4 Lineout TOlost, 3 lineout TOwins #4 vs AR see above (Creevy's section)

2014-10-10T22:40:38+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Creevy #1 vs SA Pretoria. Played 80' - 20m run 2nd highest forward in match, to Duane, 0 offloads - 2 tackles 0 ruck TO won. BdP: 0m run, 3 tackles 1 RTOW. Adriaan: 1m run, 0 tackles. - 1 scrum lost (though most dominant scrum). - 2 Lineout TOlost, 3 lineout TOwins #2 vs SA Salta. Played 79': - 30m 3rd highest forward in match behind flankers Leguizamon and Duane, 1 offload - 4 tackes, 1 RTOW. BdP: 0m 7 tackles 0 RTOW, Adriaan: 9m 2 tackes 0 RTOW - 4 scrum TOs won, 0 lost - 3 Lineout TOlost, 1 lineout TOwins #3 vs NZ Napier. Played 73' - 11m, 0 offloads, 5 tackles, 1 ruck TO - Same metres as Richie. 2nd highest metres for his team behind flanker Leguizamon - Coles 65'. 28m run, 1 offload. 9 tackles, 0 ruck TO - 2 scrums TO won. 1 lost. Dominated the rest of them - 2 Lineout TOlost, 1 lineout TOwins #4 vs Oz GCoast. Played 72' - 7m run. 2nd to Senatore, Oz pack has more metres. 1 offload - 16 tackles 0 RTOW - TPN 8m, 1 tackle - 2 scrum TOs won, 2 lost - 3 Lineout TOlost, 3 lineout TOwins #5 vs NZ La Plata. Played 69': - 47m. 2nd highest forward in match to Kaino, 4 offloads. Tied highest w/Read - 5 tackles. HUGE 3 RTOW (same as McCaw) - Keven 71' 14m, 6 tackles, 3 RTOW - 1 scrum TOs won, 0 lost - 3 Lineout TOlost, 1 lineout TOwins #6 vs Oz Mendoza 80' - 30m run, top forward runner for the match along with flankers Baez and Hooper (73') 32m each - More meters than most backs on both sides. 0 offload - 7 tackles. 1 RTOW - Saia 71' 5m 11 tackles 0 RTOW - 2 scrum TOs won, 0 lost - 0 Lineout TOlost, 0 lineout TOwins

2014-10-10T22:40:26+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


I had a closer look at the stats. I think Creevy is still the man of the tourie at #2: - In fact the stats review reinforced it. - Also I changed by opnion re man of the tournie, which was originally Richie / Brodie (if uninjured). It is clearly Duane imo. Coles was good, particularly his offloading. though similar to Brodie, he missed games which diminished his chances. In the case of Coles, two. His first match in Sydney was average, at best and subbed off at 52'. Creevy, through all his games, was superb: - He ran the most metres for a tight five for his and opponent teams in virtually all his matches - Out ran many backs, most flankers. Offloads were also v good, in some cases excellent - Amongst the best tackle and tackle counts. - Amongst Top ruck turnover winners of the tournament - His scrum pretty destroyed all his opponents, except barring vs starters in Oz Gold Coast and NZ in LaPlata. But his scrum was still dominant. I believe the SANZAR game commentators need to pay more attention to Pumas players and highlight them in game a lot better. Stats below, Coles also. Interesting detail.

2014-10-10T21:13:53+00:00

Nick C

Guest


I might be in the minority, but I wasn't convinced Argentina were any better than any of the other years. I think the ABs had more difficulty overcoming them in prior seasons. Perhaps the games v SBs were a bit better. The WBs are pretty terrible particularly towards the end of the tournament, spanked by ABs and SBs so them getting tipped up wasn't that big a deal (appart from it being the first win for the Argies). So overall, I think Arg still haven't made much progress.

2014-10-10T16:24:47+00:00

Carlos the Argie in the USA

Guest


Even though I am an Argie fan, I cannot have Creevy ahead of Coles. I still think that Creevy needs the handling and dynamic play of Coles who is much more than a raging running bull. I also disagree with Creevy's captaincy role. He may be great at motivating his players but his communication with the referees is very weak, this is simply because his English is not good enough. And, realistically, this is very important nowadays.

2014-10-10T11:05:57+00:00


I don't know Cheika at all SP, but I doubt the ARU would want Jakeball anywhere near their team. Perhaps as a consultant untill the RWC to bolster their set piece. I agree with you AUstralia are better than their results indicate, no doubt.

2014-10-10T10:59:52+00:00

Suzy Poison

Guest


Strong personality.... Cheika or Jake White, Biltong? No seriously I think the Wallabies will pull together. There are a better team, than the results.

2014-10-10T10:56:30+00:00

Dave Moss

Guest


I don't know about the players - but I have lost confidence in Ewen McKenzie. And I was pleased when he was appointed. But The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is one sick puppy. He has had long enough. If the Wallabies are to be a force at the RWC, then Link must go now, as there is time to re-build if he does. If he sticks around then we will never achieve the coherent approach that is all impressive in the All Blacks. Cheika or Jake to replace. Cheika seems to manage players well, Jake too, and both have repeatedly shown they can make them play out of their skin. McKenzie has not shown he can do this since 2011, and I feel he must be on the outer. Fact is Pulver hasn't the leadership guts to recognise this and act accordingly. Pulver is pretty soft.

2014-10-10T10:52:22+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


Too true Brett, it's almost what you might call passionate.

2014-10-10T10:32:10+00:00

DaniE

Roar Guru


Those scrums are beautiful

2014-10-10T10:10:16+00:00

Nobrain

Guest


Not at all, I think you guy are the best . I had the chance to see the game at La Plata stadium and they are much better live than on tv..

2014-10-10T08:58:36+00:00

Ball'n'all

Guest


Most enjoyable reading throughout the RC. Thank you gentlemen. It would be nice to see a RC all stars team take on the Lions or a Six Nations all stars team. SH v NH bragging rights at stake! It would be epic.

2014-10-10T08:40:22+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Continuing this thread is as much a no-brainer as continuing the selection of Vermeulen! Taking isolated points about recent matches and then turning them into a group discussion among respected posters and then opening up comments to the general board is an inspired idea. This thread is as much a staple read as Scott Allen's analysis. Thanks for all your insightful work Brett, BB and Digger. Here's to more for next year.

2014-10-10T08:24:17+00:00

Canetragic

Guest


Ouch - good work from the Puma big men.

2014-10-10T07:22:03+00:00

Canetragic

Guest


Nice touch to analyse the coach/team management Suzy, well done. Im not sure that I agree with the "All Blacks on a downwards trend" though. Winning all matches last year was an outstanding anomaly, something we are unlikely to see again by any team in a long time. They could have, and perhaps should have, dropped at least the Ireland match last year. This year the loss to the Boks was close - could have gone either way, and looking back the draw in Sydney is a real wtf happened there moment. I think rather the Boks have found their form. Maybe Meyer has been reading Biltongs posts and taking some notice? Regardless the northern tours will be instructive and the RWC next year will be a ripper :)

2014-10-10T06:39:47+00:00


ROb, the big issue here is what we don't know. We don't know whether there truly is a player revolt, everything is hush hush and second hand information. I personally believe the Wallabies need a strong personaliy as coach, someone who can bring back the resect for the jersey, the respect for the coach and a way to build core values. WHo was it that had the no d...khead policies? I also believe players like Pocock and Moore will galavansie the pack and hopefully see more focus on the groundwork necessary before going wide.

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