2014 Melbourne Cup: Caulfield Cup beaten brigade set for Cup glory

By BrisburghPhil / Roar Guru

It has been six long years now since a runner in the Caulfield Cup has won the Melbourne Cup.

That horse was Viewed in 2008, who ran in Mackinnon Stakes Saturday prior. Ironically the last horse to come directly from the Caulfield Cup and go on and win at Flemington was the Japanese horse Delta Blues, coming off an outstanding third in 2006.

Had he not been three wide on the speed that day he would undoubtedly have completed the double that year. It would seem more likely than not, that this year, we are going to see the winner of the 2014 Melbourne Cup come via the Caulfield Cup.

Yesterday a 0.5kg penalty was announced for this year’s winner Admire Rakti who is unlikely to be unseated as favourite between now and that first Tuesday in November. I’m surprised he wasn’t given at least 1-kg given that those he beat at Caulfield aren’t significantly better off at the weights for a sound beating.

People are going to have differing opinions but here is my take on the beaten brigade and what chances they might have of turning the tables.

Lucia Valentina (3rd)
She got a bit further back in the race than I would have expected, and that ended up being her downfall, given the tempo of the race, and how wide she was forced on the turn. She finished the race off at least as well as the winner, and certainly better than any other runner but that might not necessarily be the case with another 800m in distance.

If she were mine I would have gone to the Cox Plate this week but you can’t doubt her will to win and the fact she never runs a bad race. She will only meet Admire Rakti 0.5kg better for this deficit and he is a much more seasoned horse and proven at the distance. Yet to win beyond 2000m which just isn’t the recipe for success these days over 3200m at Flemington.

Brambles (4th)
Brambles has been the surprise packet of the Spring and he was good in this race once more. He did get a lovely run in the race though and was outpointed late by the winner and Lucia. He actually meets Admire Rakti on the same weight terms and the Cup is rarely won by a horse that hasn’t won beyond 2400m in the modern era.

Araldo (5th)
Araldo was a surprise packet here and seems to be on the improve this Spring. He has been his own worst enemy, erratic and without an aptitude to ‘find the line’.

He didn’t seem totally genuine at the finish of this race either after a perfect run but he should take no harm from the run and he might appreciate Flemington and the 2 miles.

I say that because he has won at Flemington (on protest) in listed grade and has been placed there in G3 company (Lexus last year), but more importantly he has a half brother called Altano (sire Galileo) who has won at 4000m and did actually run third to Melbourne Cup second favourite Protectionist in France over 3000m recently.

That gives you some hope that this horse might ‘gobble up’ the extra 800m in journey, but then again his sire High Chaparral isn’t renowned as producing 2 milers in this hemisphere. Another encouraging fact is that this horse is a 6yo entire and five of the last six Melbourne Cups have been won by Entires. He looks a live chance but only has a 0.5kg turnaround on Admire Rakti. At least he has won beyond 2400m albeit 2500m.

Lidaro (6th)
Probably ran to his ability and had his chance. He found a few better than him and it’s doubtful 3200m is going to suit.

Has won twice at 2400m but once again that’s not going to really cut it at two miles in the Melbourne Cup these days. Best thing about his is his 5yo entire status but he may not go to Flemington anyway given he is also entered in this weeks Cox Plate.

Junoob (7th)
Didn’t have the best of luck in the race and tried his heart out in the straight actually taking some ground of those ahead of him at the finish.

He has failed twice beyond 2400m though and the Metropolitan win may have been a peak effort for him this campaign, Hard to seem him figuring and he might lack the necessary class even at his best.

Green Moon (9th)
Got a beautiful run turning for him but just wasn’t good enough with his big weight. Won his Melbourne Cup with 53.5kg in a moderately run race. Doubtful he can wi withn 57kg after failing badly with 57.5kg last year. He is an Entire winner, but at 7yo (and a local) that is not an historical success story. Recent Entire winners have been 6yo or less.

Big Memory (10th)
Ran surprisingly well in this class finishing off well from the tail, and he drops to 50.5kg in the Melbourne Cup. That makes him the only horse you can really make a case for against Admire Rakti at the weights given he will be 2kg better off.

He might be a year off full maturity but interesting that his half sister recently won a 3500m race in France. No explanation for his dismal failure in the Adelaide Cup over 3200m in March, but at least will carry a few kilos less than he did there, if he makes the field. My guess is he will lack the class, but he is not hopeless all the same.

The Offer (11th)
Came into the race under a bit of an injury cloud and yet again was found a little bit wanting in a Group 1 Spring event. Given there was a bit of give in the track this was his chance to shine but he had no luck early being wide from his barrier.

‘When the chips were down’ at the 1000m mark, he failed to sprint when required and by the time he had started to make any ground on those ahead the race was over at the point of the turn.

Again he finished off quite well and he gives the indication that 3200m is what he is looking for. His problem might be the 56.5kg he has been allocated as he hasn’t yet proved he is classy enough to carry that weight and win. And he might just need a significantly rain affected track to produce his best on Melbourne Cup day. Can’t sack him just yet but time is running out. Maybe a run in the Mackinnon is on the agenda given he did win the Sydney Cup easily off a seven-day break?

Who Shot Thebarman (13th)
He was found wanting here but the consensus was he wasn’t going to be suited at Caulfield and that seemed to be the case. Glen Boss reported he didn’t corner too well and it’s doubtful he appreciated an aggressive ride.

Maybe he didn’t like the a surface that was slightly rain affected either and I quite like the way he ‘stuck to his guns in the straight’.

The only track he has peformed well at this Spring has been Flemington (2 wins), so all hope is not lost, especially given the stable seemed apprehensive about his chances coming into the race.

He will run the two miles right out and while some may doubt his class I think his formlines stack up okay (Brambles/Marksmanship). He may have a kilo or so too much at Flemington and only meets Admire Rakti 0.5kg better off but a dry track would still see him as a leaiding chance in my eyes.

Seismos (15th)
He was terribly disappointing in the race given yours truly gave him a big chance of winning. He is a very hard horse to fathom but his formlines suggested he was up to winning a Caulfield Cup if he could find his best form.

The Melbourne Cup seemed to be the ultimate goal beforehand but he has failed five times at 2800m and above so it’s hard to see him winning a Melbourne Cup with that profile. Maybe Flemington and a change of jockey and/or Gear could help though?

Summing up I can’t get confident about any of these beating Admire Rakti at Flemington, but a change of circuit and/or track condition could be pivotal. The most likely would seem to be Who Shot TheBarman, The Offer and Araldo.

No doubt that races like the Cox Plate, Moonee Valley Cup, Lexus Stakes, and the Mackinnon are going to throw up a surprise or two, but the Caulfield Cup seems set to be the major influence this Spring.

The Crowd Says:

2014-10-21T22:43:54+00:00

ray

Guest


Yes its a laughable penalty for an emphactic win by A.R. The times suggested the track was no better than a dead 4, Sweet idea at 1400, couldnt break 1.25. So LIdari and Junoob's runs were excellent, as they both love the very firm going that wasnt there Saturday. Bit more Honesty required Melb RC. When it comes to the price on the Tote pre race for the M Cup for AR. with 24 runners, the Public often skew away from the logical favs until the serious betting in the last 45min of race time. AR might be about 10s on the tote for most of the day, then all of a sudden, bang! now 5/1 10 minutes out..... He'll go in my trifecta.

2014-10-21T21:14:54+00:00

Dean

Guest


You can't go past Admire Rakti if you're looking at Caulfield Cup horses. First run in Melbourne, prefers the longer distance and finished the strongest. Can't see Araldo or LV going past him. For this reason, I'm going to spread my money out E/W among the internationals, possibly including Rakti, but no shorter than 5-1. I think it will start just under 5's on the tote.

2014-10-21T12:28:41+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Great stuff Phil, What is interesting in your analysis is that no-one really came home better than the winner. Which is all the more reason to "admire" him in the 'big one.' In the old days, punters looked for the horses that had snuck under the handicapper, were known to stay all day, & were in good form, running strongly to the line in lead-up races. But these days, class is valued, & that's actually a good thing. Had the leveling out of weights existed in the old days, many more fine champions would be on the winners list, including one cruelly treated uber-champion in Wakeful back in 1903. Makye Diva was gifted in the weights to win three times. But as good as she was, the great dame Wakeful would have chewed her up & spat her out at the same weight over 3200m.

2014-10-21T09:41:39+00:00

Tristan Rayner

Editor


Thanks Phil.

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2014-10-21T09:32:30+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


Cheers Bondy. Whatever is lurking at Werribee would want to have had a run here beforehand otherwise how can you really entertain it winning? I have been caught several times falling into that trap. I wasn't aware Adelaide was even entered in the Melbourne Cup but I think that is where he should have been headed not Cox Plate. Could be wrong but after watching his last 2 runs it would seem that way.

2014-10-21T07:54:47+00:00

Bondy

Guest


Interesting stat about LV she was genuinely disadvantage in the AJC Oaks and a poor ride to boot, every indicator to me suggest she'll see the trip out . What's concerning punters is as Kv points out is what's lurking at Werribee that we've not seen yet ?. Those Internationals running in the Cox plate if they run well they'll back up for the Cup like Adelaide etc. The Geelong Cup "tomorrow" appears to be down in depth this year . Also do we need the Winner of the Saab Qlty gaining entry to the Cup its not terribly modern . I'm expecting Admire Ratki to ease out to about 9-2 or $ 5.50 after the McKinnon has concluded.. Well done BP ...

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2014-10-21T06:06:05+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


Absolutely Tristan. If Lucia had an inside run in straight in the Caulfield Cup she would probably have won. That's not taking anything away from the winner who had to do it the hard way. Araldo would be a really top chance if you could convince yourself he actually wants to win. He has one win here, and I was on that day, but gee I'm not sure he should have got the result on protest. Re Admire Rakti people need to be aware that he is almost certainly a better horse at 3200m than he is at 2400m. Comparisons are being drawn with Dunaden who found 58.5kg too much of an ask after winning the Caulfield Cup, but he got a long way back in a slowly run race and obviously wasn't at his best that day. Also the weights would have been structured differently that year.

2014-10-21T04:39:27+00:00

Tristan Rayner

Editor


Hi Phil, all. - If Lucia had taken the inside run where Rising Romance was she surely would've been miles closer. I'm not saying that was possible at all, just noting how wide she was and how she missed the kick down the straight a little. She definitely closed on Admire Rakti, although was never going to win. Good horse. - Araldo was better than I expected. He's a hope, for sure. - If The Offer draws an inside barrier, he'll halve in odds. He's no good from wide.

2014-10-21T01:14:40+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


I love the look of Araldo, might be the sneaky Cup hope this year.

2014-10-21T01:14:06+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Looks like he can go the distance for sure.

2014-10-21T01:03:46+00:00

Mike from Tari

Guest


Brambles has not had the chance to run further than 2400mtrs as he has been out for a long time with an injury, what I liked about him was that when he didn't quicken coming round the home turn & some went past him he just kept coming, if he makes the field I will have a few bob each way.

2014-10-21T00:04:22+00:00

BNR

Guest


Agree kv re Araldo - looks an e/w roughie chance (currently around $26) in the Melb Cup. Drew wide & was a good 5th in the Metrop coming from 9th at the 400 to run 3rd (55.5kg) & then 5th (btn 1.4L) in the Caulfield Cup after drawing wide again & finishing well. Only the winner AR & fav LV were back further at the 400 of those in the first 9 across the line. Looks a worthy inclusion in Cup trifectas & first4's.

2014-10-20T22:35:10+00:00

kv joef

Roar Guru


Nice work BP. My review is pretty simple - LV = more impressed with her than the CC winner and the winner was v.good and remains a contender. Araldo = 'classic' caulfield cup trial following an equally good warm-up in the metrop. Junoob = good and a tough bugger but may lack the speed needed on the turn. the last 300m of a truly run cup is always a supreme, dour, staying test but you still need the kick on the turn to get close enough. Combined with the 2 last week, Protectionist and Van Percy the race is looking OK ... but what hidden treasures are lurking at werribee? still plenty to come :) . Brambles probably won't get in but you can't help but like this animal. Moody has done a great job with him.

2014-10-20T22:27:43+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


A great analysis Phil, I'm gobsmacked that they have only penalised Admire Rakti the 0.5kgs seems Greg Carpentar was intimidated by the Japanese...

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