Ange Postecoglou's unwanted record

Why do you get so defensive about every comment @Fussy? If someone has a different opinion to you, that doesnt make them stupid or dumb. It just makes their opinion different to yours. Wake up mate. It's an online sports forum, not a court room. Thick as.

Fair enough. I watched our U22 team a few weeks back and I was pretty impressed. These players are largely products of the NYL. Let's see how they go in qualifying for Rio 2016.

I think the YL includes players too old also. I think it goes up to 19 year olds. If they aren't able to be first team in the A-League by 19 then they certainly aren't going to be taking off to a "top" league overseas anytime soon either!

I'm pretty sure he has a system. It's probably similar to what systems he tried playing with at Brisbane and Melbourne, but as I pointed out, as a club coach he could hire foreign players to fill roles that none of the Aussie players had the skills for. He can't do that as Socceroos coach. It may be that it looks like there's not much of a system simply because his system requires players to do things they aren't able to do, and therefore the whole system breaks down and doesn't look like there is one.

You are more lenient than I am Rick. As hosts of the comp Oz have to be ambitious. On their day they can beat any other Asian team and at home its only fair to expect they will be at their best when it matters most. SF is a bare minimum for me, anything less would be a major disappointment (oz have to be in the top 4 teams in Asia in a comp played on home soil). Japan are ahead no question then you have 4-5 teams with a chance. I expect oz to be playing on 31st Jan 2015.

the youth league is not about results as the team includes the older mature players from the senior team coming back from injury or form - the youth league should be identifying and developing talent which is generally not occurring in the system

I can only speak for WSW. We've had Alessi, Sotirio, Fofanah and Perkatis come up from the NYL squad in recent times. Each of them have performed at the same level, if not better, than some of the foreign and local professionals. There's also the immensely talented Martin Lo and Shayne D'Cunha who have both shown great technical ability for their young age. WSW is only mid table in NYL so I imagine there's even better talent around the rest of the country.

Does anyone even know what Ange's system is? Let alone the players? I think all he wants is a team full of army style commandos capable of running flat out in any weather conditions for 90 minutes harassing and closing down the opposition and any player with a semblence of football skill need not apply.

Tezza Nobody has the depth of knowledge within Australia Football as to what AP has ,if you believe otherwise than who is best to lead us ? .

Craig Foster should blast, embrass and ridicule these so called coaches and tell them to move on and go coach in the local leagues if they still want to coach as they are fairly incompetent at the national level eg Okon, Vidmar

AR - I meant national coaches of australian national teams. I am not talking about coaches of franchises of leagues based or partially based in Australia.

In my observation the standard of the Youth League players has been fairly ordinary and this ultimately affects the quality of the national team as its becoming more apparent year by year - the whole junior system and the talent identification is a mess.

fussy, as usual you have missed the point and appear to have leapt to the defence of Angie as any sycophant worth his salt would. I do not work in football and am not seeking to personally replace Angie. The options the FFA has to coach the national team are not merely me or Angie. As you may be aware there are other football coaches in the world that do have the necessary experience and expertise. The fact that I am not seeking to replace him does not mean that I cannot assess his performance thus far as extremely poor.

I'm still not convinced either way regarding Ange. However, there is one thing that concerns me. I've always thought that the big difference between club coaching and coaching a national team is that the club coach can have his system and then go searching for players who fit it, even able to find players of other nationalities to fit positions you can't find a local for. National Coaches don't have that luxury. They have to make do with the players available, and can't get rid of them and sign some other players from elsewhere like a club coach can. Because of that, outside of the big nations with riches of talent to choose from that mean you can leave really good players out because they don't fit your system, with most other nations, to be successful you need to look at the players available to you and then come up with a system that suits the players you've got rather than try to squeeze square players into round holes trying to play a system that doesn't suit them and which they don't have the skills for. I've heard coaches saying that most on the ball skills are developed before the age of 12 and that while they will continue to improve on those skills, if they don't have the ball skills by that stage they likely never will. So taking players who don't have the skills to play your system and hoping that by playing it enough they'll develop those skills is probably highly unlikely to work unless you are dealing with the U11's. Internationals aren't where players develop skills, it's where they use the skills they've developed over many years prior to that. It's all well and good to have an ideal of playing a certain system, but if you need to develop players with better skills to be able to play that way, then you need to be implementing that system at U10's and up and hopefully in 10-15 years you'll have a crop of players who can play it. In the meantime you need to find a system that the current crop of players can handle. Bad coaches stick to a plan and blame the players for not successfully implementing it. Good coaches work with what they've got to get the best out of them and don't try to make players do what they aren't capable of doing. I'm not convinced that Ange is like this yet, but I'm certainly worried that he may be, and if he's unable to adapt his system to the skills of the players he has available, then we can forget qualifying for the next World Cup.

No coach in World football would be given such leeway either. Ange has talked the talk,so far hasn't walk the walk. Much as many seem to overlook,the Socceroos do have fans,followers like me who want the team to win. So far ain't seen much of that. Just experimenting won't do anymore & wore thin for me a couple of matches ago. Said earlier in the year on here,that I used to know the Socceroos,who would be a starter and perform,even before the supposed Golden generation. Since Ange took over it's been a revolving door on steroids,with players spinning off all over the place. Who knows when the door will stop and we can see the Socceroos

No coach in World football would be given such leeway either. Ange has talked the talk,so far hasn't walk the walk. Much as many seem to overlook,the Socceroos do have fans,followers like me who want the team to win. So far ain't seen much of that. Just experimenting won't do & wore thin for me a couple of matches ago. Said earlier in the year on here,that I used to know the Socceroos,who would be a starter and perform,even before the supposed Golden generation, Since Ange took over it's been a revolving door on steroids,with players spinning off all over the place. Who knows when the door will stop and we can see the Socceroos

I'm sorry...I must have got it all wrong. I got the impression you were trolling. Ok...if you have something constructive to say about our game, I suggest you join the conversation on the right hand side and leave your petty little squabbles with Fuss alone for a moment.

Did you ever consider it's possible for someone to like AFL and Football Minister? If you would like to discuss some issues, rather than doing a Fuzzy and making stuff up then I'm more than happy to chat away.

How's the AFL off season going Rick? What's doing with the draft? Any young Steel Sidebottoms to discuss?

Anges' record does not make for pretty reading, but my gut feeling is he isn't doing too badly at present. The Asian Cup will be his measuring stick. Should he perform badly then his job might be on the line. I think Australia making the semi finals personally is par for the course and I expect them to do this. Quarter finals and I think providing they play good football then no eyebrows will be raised. Anything less and questions WILL be asked of Ange - resulting in some serious blow torch action I'm guessing.