Dad's armies win World Cups

By Harry Jones / Expert

In 2011, New Zealand won the Rugby World Cup because they had an experienced, battle-hardened core in a squad that had nine players with more than 50 Test caps.

Richie McCaw was 30 and playing in his third consecutive World Cup. He was not the only three-in-a-row World Cup warrior; Dan Carter, Keven Mealamu, Mils Muliaina, and Ali Williams had the same distinction.

Ma’a Nonu, Brad Thorn, and Corey Flynn had played in the 2003 World Cup; Tony Woodcock, Andy Ellis, Conrad Smith, and Isaia Toeava had played in 2007.

The 16 forwards and 14 backs had 1,133 Test caps total entering the tournament; the most experienced All Blacks squad ever assembled.

Seven players had fewer than a dozen caps: Ben Franks (11), Victor Vito, Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Dagg (7), Zac Guildford (6), and Colin Slade (5).

There were a few tough omissions, or so it seemed at the time: Liam Messam, Wyatt Crockett, and Jarrad Hoeata. As we know, the Beaver, Stephen Donald, who owns 23 All Black caps, found redemption for his Hong Kong nightmare, and kicked New Zealand to a typically grinding finals win, in which Woodcock scored an atypical Kiwi try from a set move.

In 2007, Cup winners South Africa took a very experienced squad to France. John Smit (67 caps), Os du Randt (72), CJ van der Linde (39), Bakkies Botha (35), Victor Matfield (58), Schalk Burger (31), Juan Smith (32), Danie Rossouw (24), Fourie du Preez (30), Butch James (18), Jaque Fourie (29), Bryan Habana (27), and Percy Montgomery (85) formed a nucleus, allowing newcomers like 8-cap Frans Steyn and JP Pietersen (6) to flourish on a strong platform of almost 1,000 squad caps.

In 2003, England won with a team that included 66-cap Neil Back, 51-cap Kyran Bracken, Mike Catt (61), Lawrence Dallaglio (65), Matt Dawson (57), Will Greenwood (47), Richard Hill (63), Martin Johnson (84), Jason Leonard (113), Mike Tindall (33), Joe Worsley (30), Phil Vickery (38), and of course, Sir Jonny Wilkinson (52).

In fact, all four of the last victors have fielded experienced squads. England coach Stuart Lancaster may have been guilty of being too formulaic when he claimed 600 caps is a minimum for a match-day squad, and in 2012, he set 663 as his target for aggregate England caps for his 2015 World Cup team. New Zealand and South Africa will comfortably surpass 663; it is still not clear if Lancaster, who set his own benchmark, can.

There are some caveats to mention: a five-minute substitute appearance is a cap. So Springbok super-sub Patrick Lambie and the All Blacks’ indispensable Aaron Smith have about the same number of caps (even though a minutes-on-the-field comparison would be a 2:1 ratio favouring Smith).

Also, rugby is a game of combinations. A seasoned front row that knows each other, a midfield defensive duo, locks that complement, a loose trio hunting cohesively, and of course, the scrumhalf and flyhalf nerve centre. No team has a 100-cap combination in all of these units, of course. But World Cup winners tend to have at least one defining combination.

So, Matfield and Botha might be seen as the glue to South Africa’s 2007 win. And Steve Hansen will have a hard time overlooking the Ma’a Nonu-Conrad Smith midfield partnership, no matter how slow Smith has become, and even if Williams seems more attractive at 12.

In addition, it is not all about what happens on the field. A World Cup win requires a culture on the practice field, in the sheds, at dinner, in the rooms, and on the road. A young guy who has struggled to learn professional habits, such as Trevor Nyakane, can be paired with Tendai Mtawarira, and will tend to follow the Beast more than a sermon by Heyneke Meyer.

New Zealand are prohibitive favourites to repeat as champions. They will begin their campaign in England with several tried-and-tested combinations: Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock have played together as All Blacks 23 times. That may not sound like a lot, until you compare it to other teams.

Aaron Smith and Aaron Cruden have combined 18 times; which is six more times than Smith has played with Carter. A back three of Julian Savea, Ben Smith, and Israel Dagg has played together 13 times.

Hansen can name front-row, back-row and centre combinations with specific experience of winning a World Cup.

Wales might be able to field well-oiled front-row, back-row and centre combinations in Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, George North, Alex Cuthbert and Leigh Halfpenny (21 starts together), and Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton and Taulupe Faletau (19 joint appearances).

Yes, Hansen has introduced more than 20 new players in the last three seasons, but it is the grizzled core that allows the All Blacks to survive a Test match like the Boks’ Wellington onslaught last year, when ‘winning ugly’ is the best thing, or when a late burst by mentally tough players is needed to steal it at the death.

Also, I have to point out that while naming an inexperienced side virtually guarantees you will not win the Cup, loading up on 800 or more caps does not mean you will win, either, as a haunting memory of an Australian playing ‘Waltzing Matilda’ in the wee hours after a certain quarter-final in Wellington in 2011 bears witness.

Coach John Smit named the most experienced team in Springbok history for that match (836 caps); and he even picked himself over Bismarck du Plessis.

The Crowd Says:

2015-01-29T03:40:18+00:00

Hoges5

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Thanks Harry - I have been banging on for years that old age and defence wins world cups. Agree that New Zealand have to start as favourites, however, we are still 8 odd months of football away from the tournament and many things can happen. I will never "death-ride" a champion like McCaw, Carter or Smith but their input is now far more on the inspirational side than the physical presence side. Realistically Nonu may start to fall into this category as well. Only my opinion but I think the presence of Whitelock, Retalick, Read, Aaron Smith, Ben Smith and Savea are now more important. Whoever takes over the 7/10/12/13 jerseys for the All Blacks will obviously be incredibly skilled - but that takes us back to the "old men win world cups" theory of knowing how to play 6 week tournaments through injury and pressure. Looking forward to 2015!

2015-01-28T01:18:40+00:00

Mark

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of course experianced sides win every team at the tournament was experianced so and experianced team was going to win more shallow analysis from people with zero concept of statistics and context

2015-01-24T04:52:13+00:00

Sam Taulelei

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I don't know what the correlation between experience and the professional era is Harry, but you're correct in stating that the last four world cups (circa 1999) have been won by experienced squads. The reverse was true in the amateur era - SA was the least experienced team to win a world cup in 1995, followed by the Wallabies and then the All Blacks. I still think the RWC is too young a tournament to hold firm views on what it takes to win a trophy. Earlier this week there was an article about every world cup winner being led by a world class 10. The last two winners don't strictly hold true to that theory. I subscribe to Richie McCaw's simple philosophy about leadership. For him it starts and ends with performance. It doesn't matter whether you're a veteran player or a rookie, if you don't perform, how many tests you've played doesn't matter.

2015-01-23T08:17:37+00:00

Machpants

Guest


Too true, no way they'll be about in 2019

2015-01-22T23:27:41+00:00

Firstxv

Guest


thin ice is all I can think of Harry...as long as Meyer has backups...just don't think he has. Hansen was really scraping the barrell by getting those baabaas players in against Scotland, getting some more fringe players into the AB camp. I saw it as a big...'just in case' for next year. At some point he will have sat them down and given them the 'in case this happens etc talk'. 12 months out from the event I'd say its a useful investment. Our world cup exits have usually been very unexpected ones where we've been caught completely by surprise- France 99 probably the tournaments biggest upset from the 24-10 down scoreline. As prepared as they were in 07 and 11 we still got caught out and nearly lost the one we did win.

2015-01-22T21:55:58+00:00

Benny

Guest


Was that little dig at PdV at the end intentional? Coach Smit?

2015-01-22T21:47:40+00:00

Wal

Roar Guru


He carried a broken foot to the last RWC and was unstoppable.

2015-01-22T19:12:14+00:00

zer0

Guest


I believe P.Saili was contracted until the end of 2015 with both Auckland and the Blues, but picked up an injury that put him out for most of the year. As he was being pursued by a French club (the name escapes me), they decided to release him and use his place in the squad for someone who will actually be able to play during the year. As for who will play #8, the obvious answer is Kaino, with Joe Edwards and Blake Gibson competing for the bench and/or understudy role. But, being the Blues, they'll proably do something really stupid. Like hire a washed up League player. Or stick a fullback in there or something.

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2015-01-22T18:14:12+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


firstxv, true. The thing is w SA that if (and it's very plausible if) overplayed Jannie goes down, very old Vic is hurt, and JdV doesn't heal in time... We will have a 280-cap pack and a 260-cap backline (with a hugely experienced bench), so we might actually wind up being one of the greener teams.

2015-01-22T17:42:24+00:00

firstxv

Guest


Yep get your point. I don't think lack of world cup pressure is an issue if they're exposed enough. Aaron Smith and retallick for example. No world cups but I'm certain the occasion will make them better, not worse.My point is the playing of several players clearly past their best - Matfield, FDP, Fourie saw better days years ago, opens up areas to be exploited. The more players selected for experience over current retail value, the more exposed the side becomes, the more they will need things to 'go right'. The world cup isn't the place for that to happen as we know.

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2015-01-22T16:49:31+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Richie has compensated for a loss of foot speed, by running incredibly astute routes from ruck to tackle to ruck. Love to watch him think his way through a game

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2015-01-22T16:48:01+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Digger I think Mils was one of my favourite all time NZ players. Got scared every time touched the ball against SA

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2015-01-22T14:48:27+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Gilbert If Matfield's caps are subtracted We are not that high on caps

2015-01-22T12:44:07+00:00

Crash Ball2

Guest


Meyer is an easy target. The coach of any top national rugby team accepts that. So much is expected of the Bokke. And at times they have embarrassingly faltered. Poor performances are obvious to any layman. Small wins are immaterial. What is interesting to me is the unheralded diversity of capability the Boks have displayed over the coarse of Meyer's tenure. Yes, hard nosed, hard shouldered, forward focused Bull-inspired attrition. But also (intermittently) sweeping, creative un-Sprinbok-like verve. Outstanding, poignant interplay. Ambition. On any given day, they are the best team in the world. I hope my team isn't playing them when they click. But I can't wait to watch when they do.

2015-01-22T12:43:34+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


hm. Make it a three part bro eg lay of the land about Mexico / pics of chiquitas, national team and their enemies / pics of cheerleader chiquitas competition structure / pics of cheerleader chiquitas haha.Just the Tip. Have you seen the Cartoon Archer, Series 1 Episode 1?

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2015-01-22T12:38:54+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


So it's "just the tip, baby" that we need? I'm trying...it's an emotional piece on Mexico Love these guys

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2015-01-22T12:33:53+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yes, what Meyer SHOULD have done was give these younger guys more caps/minutes; but now we have to ride the older horses into battle and I am betting we go far anyway!

2015-01-22T12:29:55+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


cheers mate. Im writing as best I can, so I can motivate you to write your Mexican Rugby report.

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2015-01-22T12:28:45+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Excellent! Time zone issues give me time to write! And I can not look at another glass of tequila I like the analogy

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2015-01-22T12:26:26+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Thanks RT Wrap Aaron in cotton!

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