Dragons and Raiders: Contenders or pretenders?

By Tim Gore / Expert

Statistically, if a team isn’t in the eight by the end of this round, history says that their chance of making it past week one of the finals is less than 10 per cent.

A few months ago I pointed out that the chances were very good that a number of teams from last year’s final eight would be replaced in the 2015 finals. The only question was who would make way and who would replace them.

Newcastle’s early season flirtation with the top of the ladder after winning their first four games was quickly washed away by five straight losses. This should be a cautionary example to other overachievers who have subsequently moved into the eight.

And there are no bigger overachievers than the Dragons and Raiders. Both sides have drawn plenty of positive comment for their recent performances that see them firmly in the eight.

The question is will these two sides burn out quickly like the Knights or have they actually turned the corner to become contenders?

In 2014 the Dragons won 11 games for the season. However, just two of those wins were against sides that finished in the top eight. Already this year they have won three games against top eight sides.

Why? Well for starters in attack they are averaging 120 extra metres a game.

However, the huge improvement is in their defence. The Dragons are only conceding 2.5 line breaks a game on average – down from 4.5 in 2014. They are conceding only two tries a game, down from 3.8 in 2014 – for just 11 points conceded on average a game.

They are clearly the best in the NRL for both of these stats. Their missed tackles were the second lowest in 2014 but in 2015 they are missing 2.5 fewer still. Paul McGregor has the defence in tip top shape. In comparison to 2014 they are a better side to the tune of 6.5 points a game.

While in the last five seasons all of the premiers have boasted the best defensive record for the year (actually second best for the Storm in 2012), all but one of those titles has been won by a side with at least a top three-ranked attack.

The odd man out? The Dragons in 2010 only had the eighth-ranked attack.

As in previous seasons, the Dragons have serious issues in attack. They are actually making one fewer line break per game than last year to be second worst for that stat, and 1.5 fewer tries a game. They have scored the fewest number of tries per game in the NRL this year.

This drop isn’t surprising when you consider that they let their second highest try scorer in Brett Morris depart in the off-season. As well, they let wunderkind Jack Bird depart to the Sharks.

In Josh Dugan they do have a weapon that may just be starting to realise his true potential. Of the regular fullbacks his average of 149 metres a game is second only to Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Dugan is the leading tackle-breaking custodian, averaging five a game. However, that has only translated into two tries this year and, for all his efforts, he didn’t get across the line against the Rabbitohs.

However, it isn’t just the individual strike power the Dragons are missing, it is also effective playmakers. Last season Benji Marshall and Gareth Widdop combined fell short of Johnathan Thurston’s try assists. This season they are tracking for the same result. While both are undoubtedly talented playmakers, they must double their efforts in attack if the Dragons are genuinely going to be a force in 2015.

However, while scoring more tries is the issue the Dragons must address as a team if they are to succeed in 2015, for mine the biggest priority at this moment must be the retention of Trent Merrin.

How his signature was not the numbers one, two and three priorities for the powers that be at St George Illawarra is totally beyond me. In the last three seasons only Jason Nightingale has played more games for the club than Merrin.

This season he’s averaging 156 metres a game and 34 tackles. On top of that his defence is superb, missing less than a tackle a game despite his heavy involvement. He has led the likes of Mike Cooper, Jack De Belin, Mitch Rein, Joel Thompson and Tyson Frizell into the fray this year and helped mould them into the relentless tackling machine they are.

June 30 approaches quickly. If Peter Doust doesn’t retain Merrin, it may be the end of his tenure at the joint venture.

While attack is what the Dragons must address, the Raiders have to fix their defence if they are actually going to be seriously competitive in 2015.

The Raiders won only eight games in 2014. This season they have already won five.

Like the Dragons, the Raiders’ defence has improved considerably. Last season they had the worst defence, conceding 113 tries at almost five per match. This season they are conceding just 3.5 a match. But the real difference is in attack.

In 2015 the Green Machine are making an extra 1.5 line breaks a match and scoring an extra try. They are a ten points per game better than last year.

While a lot of fingers have pointed at Blake Austin as being behind this improvement, the truth is more complex. While Blake’s eight line breaks and five tries certainly haven’t gone astray, it is the changing of the guard that is really having the greatest effect.

With the exception of Luke Priddis’ brief stay at the Raiders, there hasn’t been a very good hooker at the club since the legendary Steve Walters.

However, in Josh Hodgson the Raiders have picked up a great dummy half who defends excellently, misses very few tackles, can kick a 40/20 and, most importantly, can pass brilliantly in both directions. His understudy is Broncos refugee Kurt Baptiste who has shown that he can be devastating running from dummy half.

Further, Sia Soliola has added an element of menace that has opponents taking their eyes off the ball lest they be the next one pounded into the turf. Frank-Paul Nu’uausala didn’t want to leave the Roosters but he now seems determined to make them regret letting him go.

The return of Sam Williams at halfback has provided direction and control the side has been lacking for a long while.

All of these purchases have been inspired inclusions and have rejuvenated the team. The plethora of Ricky Stuart haters are beginning to get very nervous that he might just be about to do the unthinkable and make a basket case into a powerhouse.

If he does they might just have to consider the idea that he is actually a good coach and that perhaps a) Fittler and his crew white-anted Ricky at the Roosters; b) That Ricky did about as well as anybody could at the Sharks; and c) that Parramatta is such a dysfunctional club that no one can fix them.

However, this is all very premature. The reality is that the Raiders have only beaten one top eight side this year. To their credit they are very aware of it. When I interviewed Ricky Stuart after the victory over the Titans he was very quick to hose down any thought of the job being anywhere near accomplished.

In truth both the Raiders and the Dragons, while certainly big improvers, are a long way off being genuine contenders. While this coming weekend’s clash between the two sides may well be a cracker, it is extremely unlikely to be a grand final preview.

The Crowd Says:

2015-05-16T07:31:11+00:00

Irritated By Stupidity

Guest


People seem to forget how easy the rest of our year actually is. We only lose Papalii to Origin and play mostly Origin sides during that period and should definately win at least 4 of our last 5.

2015-05-16T05:47:30+00:00

GPR

Guest


They've had a tough run, Knights when they were unbeaten and leading the comp (Dragons seemed to derail them), Bulldogs, Broncos, Roosters (not many sides will beat those three teams this year, especially consecutively) and they had plenty of tough calls against them against an Adam Reynolds Souths (but then again doesn't everyone?) and only lost 16-10.

2015-05-15T07:56:35+00:00

Jay C

Roar Guru


Yeah and if you take out all the games Manly have played against teams other than the Storm then they are unbeaten and flying high.

2015-05-15T06:15:20+00:00

Irritated By Stupidity

Guest


To people saying we haven't beaten a good side yet we've had 4 games against "good sides" and won one and came close in two of the others. Also I would like to split the raiders season so far into two parts Round 1-4 and 5- so really the current raiders have only lost one game narrowly to a "good side"

2015-05-14T14:05:49+00:00

nerval

Guest


Hodgson really wasn't a big name player in Australia, though - that's the point. Seriously, how many Raiders fans had even heard about him, let alone seen him in action? And in England, he's behind the likes of Roby, McIlorum and Daryl Clark (the current Man of Steel) for an England jumper. Again, Soliola excelling in Super League is my point. So many Australians think that going over there is some kind of admission of defeat - a second rate competition for journeymen and has-beens. And yet the likes of Soliola returns to the NRL and excels there as well! I'm just saying that there are plenty others who could emulate the likes of Hodgson and Soliola.

2015-05-14T13:38:02+00:00

Bronco Juggernaut

Guest


I think Hodgson was Super League hooker of the year last year or year before? I could be wrong, but he was already a big name player before he came to the NRL. Soliola was a superstar at Saints, their fans loved him.

2015-05-14T13:31:37+00:00

Bronco Juggernaut

Guest


This may sound stupidly biased, but the best three games I have seen this year have involved the Broncos Rd 6 vs. Roosters (for mine the game of the season so far) Last weeks game vs. Penrith Rd. 7 vs. Dragons I would also add the Grand Final replay Dogs Vs. Souths and Storm Vs. Roosters They were all great games for mine, other then that, I think the rest have been pretty standard.

2015-05-14T13:26:21+00:00

Bronco Juggernaut

Guest


Kurt Baptiste deserves a lot of raps, every time I have watched the Raiders this year I have thought Baptiste was one of their best. He definitely adds something to their attack.

2015-05-14T13:24:18+00:00

Bronco Juggernaut

Guest


I wasn't impressed with Widdop against Souths, in fact, I actually think he was one of the reasons they lost the game, that along with a couple of decisions going against them.

2015-05-14T11:07:42+00:00

GTW

Guest


As a Raiders fan I'm very happy that the higher cost players haven't come down here. Very glad that Milford left, as had he stayed at least 3 of the new recruits wouldn't have come. Not sure he knew what he was going to do at any stage, which makes it hard for the defence, but also his teammates. While players like GI, Slater, Smith etc are absolutely one-offs, many of the players below them rely on their tenacity, bravery, willpower, enthusiasm and similar traits to make them really good players. If they didn't try hard, they'd be absolute plodders. So if you can pay your guys really well, but nowhere near $1m a season, and provide them with the right environment they can play their role so well that the team goes really well. Souths had 3 or 4 guys in their 2014 GF team that have struggled for first grade games at teams at the bottom of the table. But surrounded by a few champions, the lesser skilled guys can stick to a role and knowing that their team doesn't need them to be a game breaker, they can play a very big role.

2015-05-14T10:48:42+00:00

Punter76

Guest


Thank you for the gr8 article Tim, What story do the statistics tell about progressing through the finals when the ladder is compressed as this one? Is a side's prospect greater or less than 10 per cent of making it past the first week if they sit outside the eight in this circumstance? In your experience does the competition this year resemble a typical season or is this an outlier year where anything is possible?

2015-05-14T08:53:43+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


That was a really good read Tim, However I'm going to disagree on the Dragons. 6 in a row and wins against the Bulldogs, Broncos and Roosters before a narrow loss to the Rabbitohs in what was an excellent game of footy. I still look at that game against the Knights a little bit because before they were held to zero against the Dragons they were running first and since then have never gotten back into their rhythm. The dragons wont win the comp I don't think but they will go a long way this year.

2015-05-14T08:53:38+00:00

Greeneyedpete

Roar Rookie


Tim great to see a positive article on the green machine for a change . Everybody is talking about Austin , hodgo , Boyd , FPN & co , rightly so but 2 guys that I think are really making it all happen is Jarrod Croker ( is there a player at the moment who can sniff out a try better) his leadership & desire to succeed has set a example for the rest of the team . The other is the guy that made him cap Ricky knows what has to be done regardless if its popular with some . He knew it would be tough but that's the passion in him

2015-05-14T08:17:13+00:00

American Dave

Guest


But that period will also flow into Origin. Which can confuse the issue a bit.

2015-05-14T08:08:16+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Dragons and Raiders: Contenders or pretenders? Both 'Pretenders and as is said in the above article and its so very true 'When I interviewed Ricky Stuart after the victory over the Titans he was very quick to hose down any thought of the job being anywhere near accomplished' that both the Raiders and the Dragons have taken advantage of the early rounds and once the SOO series are over and give it a couple of more rounds after that, we will have all teams back at full strength and then we will know the real deal. At this point in time most of the sides are either stricken by injuries, suspensions and/or SOO sections which is not a true indication of their strengths or weaknesses. I think that after round 18 we will truly know our final 8 and who will be more than likely the premiers. Hopefully Souths can get to full strength and prove to be the latter and like last year. Go the Bunnies.

2015-05-14T07:01:27+00:00

frisky

Guest


They lost Fergussen and Dugan to drinking offences, not to mention the idiot who pisses on women and himself in public. Loss of talent in mid-season has been very disruptive for years

2015-05-14T06:58:01+00:00

Will Sinclair

Roar Guru


Yep! Yet more proof that I'm a terrible judge!

2015-05-14T06:29:06+00:00

Victorthaviking

Guest


Very good points. If you look at the Raiders spine - it is completely different bar Wighton, the front row also has no similar names from 2014. The team is effectively completely renovated as all the ordinary players have been released or playing for Mounties while all the good parts have been retained and incidentally improved by the new fixtures.

2015-05-14T05:18:20+00:00

GPR

Guest


They would have at best evened out the refereeing and storm break, good team but again their halves require their pack to blow opponents away- and that won't happen every week in the finals surely.

2015-05-14T05:13:01+00:00

Kirk

Guest


I've noticed the Raiders are no longer the longest odds to win the premiership, they have come all the way in to $51! with the Eels, Tigers, Titans and Knights all blowing out.

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