Stats interesting: Stuff from the numbers from Round 15

By Brett McKay / Expert

Once again, I’ve taken a look into the numbers coming out of Round 15, and this week, the motivations have come from discussions and observations over the last week.

And as mentioned last week, please feel free to share any observations you’ve made yourself from the numbers.

Much like tomorrow’s expert tipping panel, think of this as an opportunity to share your own views and discuss the stats that matter, or indeed, the stats that are completely useless but still interesting.

Big Willy style
I mentioned on Tuesday that while it’s felt like Will Skelton’s defensive ability has really lifted in recent rounds, his attacking contribution in that same time seems to have suffered.

Specifically, I wrote that Skelton had “managed only one offload in total for the Crusaders and Sharks games, while he got seven away against the Force and Brumbies. His run metres in those four games have barely broken 20 each match, as well.”

I mentioned that it will be interesting to keep an eye on these figures over the remainder of the season, but then wondered if there might be some patterns emerging in Skelton’s attacking and defensive involvements.

So I went back over his numbers for the season, and looked specifically at his minutes played, the number of runs or carries, offloads, and tackles made in each game to date. This is how it looks in a pretty graph:

Admittedly, there doesn’t look to be too much in the numbers when plotted this way. It’s certainly clear he had big ball-carrying games against the Blues and Stormers, and made the most metres against the Blues and Hurricanes.

Otherwise, things look reasonably consistent all season. On average, he plays 74 minutes, makes nine runs for 17.5 metres with not quite two offloads, and makes just over six tackles per game.

So, like all good stats, you have to look a bit further.

You might recall that the Waratahs beat the Hurricanes 29-24 in a cracking Round 10 game in Wellington. It was the Canes first loss of the season, and since that win, the Tahs have dropped only one game to resume the Australian conference lead.

So if we recognise that game as a turning point for the Waratahs, it’s appropriate to split Skelton’s season along the same line. And it’s here that the numbers start backing up the perception.

For one thing, where he played 80 minutes in only two of the first seven games, Skelton’s gone the distance in four of the six games since.

Up to and including the Stormers game, Skelton carried 10.9 times for 18.3 metres, and got away two offloads per match. But he was only making 4.6 tackles a game.

Since the Hurricanes game, in attack he drops to 7.2 runs for 16.7 metres and 1.7 offloads, but his defence increases to 7.8 tackles per match.

In that same time, we’ve started talking about the Waratahs playing slightly more pragmatically, and that they’ve had to grind wins rather than blow teams away as they could last year. The Crusaders game was the first bonus-point win since that Hurricanes game. They’re still winning, but it hasn’t felt like they’ve put together the proper 80-minute performance.

That certainly isn’t to say that if Skelton lifts in attack the Waratahs will just click into gear. The Crusaders game was Skelton’s best of the year in the eyes of many, so it will be interesting to if he is able to duplicate some of his defensive mongrel into attack, whenever he gets on the field next.

When ball carrying just isn’t enough
Last week’s stats piece drew some interesting discussion around the type of rugby stats available publicly, and what we’d really like to see. I’ll certainly reiterate my personal request to be able to see the advantage-line gain percentages alongside possession and ball-carry counts.

As I’ve said in this very series, what you do with the ball when you have it is far more important than how much you actually have it.

That said, you can still make something out of the info we do get. One comparison I wrote down last week after some suggestions was the amount a team carries, the number of clean breaks they make, and the number of carries required to produce a clean break.

So here it is, again with pretty graphics, and graphics that tell an obvious story.

Clearly, we can see that, in order, the Rebels, Waratahs, Hurricanes, and Force carry the ball most in Super Rugby this season. The Chiefs aren’t too far behind the Force, either.

Additionally, we can see that the Crusaders, Chiefs, Waratahs, and Hurricanes make the most clean breaks on average. And this makes some sense; respectively, they’re ranked second, fourth, equal fifth, and first on the try-scoring tallies for the season.

And perhaps not so surprisingly, they’re also the most effective teams with the ball. They require the least number of carries to make a clean break. The Crusaders make a break every 10 carries, while the Chiefs, Waratahs, and Hurricanes are all either side of a break every 11 carries.

On the other side of the coin, you can see for a number of sides the large gap between the average number of clean breaks, and the ratio of clean breaks to ball carries.

It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the Blues, Brumbies, Bulls, Reds, Sharks, and particularly the Western Force require the most carries before making a break.

All six teams have had varying backline related issues in 2015, including but not limited to injuries, lack of direction, no consistency of combinations, and a reliance on the maul.

The Crowd Says:

2015-05-28T14:42:00+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


The most alarming statistic I can pull up, if I were a Shark fan, is this: The Sharks are missing 23.57 tackles per game. The Chiefs only miss 14.4 per game. That's a world of difference.

2015-05-28T13:29:58+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Carrying efficiency. I think that's what we're trying to use stats to help us learn about. So, just an attack stat, at first. Let's take Damian de Allende (because he's played a lot of games). Carried 117 times. Ran 600 metres in a hard channel (this is not fullback metres with 10-15 unopposed metres almost every time). So, 5.13 m/carry. He has 12 knock-ons. So, he knocks on once every 9.75 carry. Which can be his fault (mostly) or the passer (but really I remember several of his knock ons being from nice passes). He's beaten 49 defenders, for an incredible "defender beaten every 2.38 carries." That's a more individual skill. It takes him 6.88 carries to carve out a clean break, but that is even more dependent on the quality of the pass. The Greek isn't the best at that (Coleman and Leyds and Burger are better). He also completes an offload once every 6.88 carries. Comparing that to Nonu: Nonu knocks on once every 6.43 carries (much worse than de Allende). Nonu beats a defender every 2.64 carries (marginally worse than de Allende). Nonu makes a clean break every 7.5 times he carries (not as good as de Allende). Nonu offloads once every 6.1 carry (better than de Allende). It is on defence that Nonu bests de Allende. Nonu's tackle % is 85% (de Allende is 78%). Both can crash tackle, but Nonu does it more often. Damian wins a lot of turnovers (11); at the same rate as Marcell Coetzee, Scott Fardy, and Schalk Burger. Nonu has only won 4 TOs.

2015-05-28T13:04:19+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Ruckin Good Stats @ruckingoodstats was good for that, but the Kiwi who runs that didn't want to do it for Super Rugby in a WC year.

AUTHOR

2015-05-28T12:46:05+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


I've not found one yet. But the search continues..

2015-05-28T12:24:18+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Agree S Poison I like to sledge Jake but he's a winner OZ definitely should have tried him out for 4 years--would've won their pool, made some noise in KO rounds. Don't think Cheika is the answer. But we shall soon see...

2015-05-28T12:21:29+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I am addicted to tables, charts, graphs, etc. More. Graph-gramma

2015-05-28T11:35:08+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


where can we get gainline % consistently ?

2015-05-28T09:28:07+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


I think most Aussies rate White pretty highly actually, but also note that he's been coaching some absolutely superb forward packs which Australia doesn't really have equals for.

2015-05-28T09:13:20+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


On review, I'd actually also remove the ratio line from Graph 2, I understand why it's there, but it's actually a touch visually confusing -- the ratio is actually kind of present visually from the other two bars already. Could also try going 0-140 in blocks of 35 on the left Y axis to make the carry numbers a bit more comparable.

AUTHOR

2015-05-28T07:58:46+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


All easily fixed Alex, thanks for the feedback..

2015-05-28T07:32:15+00:00

Suzy Poison

Guest


Nah you are right Brett. Just stirring. I think Bernie's a damn fine coach, but still learning the trade. And he learnt some of that under White. It's kinda interesting that the Brumbies maul so much like a Saffa team I just think Jake White is a better coach than most Aussie folks (Spiro with his Jakeball blah blah) give him credit for. The whole entertainment versus winning rugby argument. Jake is firmly in the winning rugby camp. But he is not an innovator, he is about WC knockout mistake free footy. As a Saffa, I was stoked the ARU went with Link instead, cos a Jake coached Wallabies would have destroyed the Boks.

2015-05-28T07:26:43+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


I like the first one, it's very nice and clean. The second one is less immediately clear (I was going what on earth is this ratio for a couple of seconds). The key on the first could be a touch larger though. The fonts on the axis look to be in italics, it's a bit difficult to read I suspect due to scaling of the HTML element.

2015-05-28T07:01:51+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Yes, more graphs and flow charts! Love a good flow chart.

2015-05-28T06:39:07+00:00

Patrick Effeney

Editor


I like it a lot! Adds to the read in my view mate. Well done.

AUTHOR

2015-05-28T06:14:48+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


In Mogg's case Suzy, it was certainly case of deciding on just one year on offer from the Brumbies, or a multi-year deal in France. You could well be right, of course, but I doubt it's as simple as that..

2015-05-28T05:19:18+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


thats is your inference not fact. It could just as well be how much money they were offered.

2015-05-28T05:05:53+00:00

Suzy Poison

Guest


Great stats Brett. Be interesting to compare big Will with Brodie or Eben. On another topic, what has Jake White done to not even get a mention in the Australian Media? I quote... "Scrumhalf Nic White and fullback Jesse Mogg have signed with clubs in France." http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/brumbies/act-brumbies-determined-to-send-off-departing-players-with-super-rugby-title-20150524-gh8csx.html It's common knowledge that both Jesse Mogg and Nic White going to play with Jake White , next year at Montpellier? Perhaps it's the fact, that these players could possibly think their old coach, is better than their new coach???? I like your old stuff better than your new stuff?

AUTHOR

2015-05-28T04:44:19+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


So what do we think of the graphs - a much better way of presenting the info than a plain black and white date table?

2015-05-28T02:45:20+00:00

Browny

Roar Rookie


Most definitely, Brett. I've enjoyed the progression of these articles that Harry and yourself have produced, each taking a step further on the previous. Great stuff.

2015-05-28T02:44:31+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


The shift from possession to use being more important also coincided with a shift of the relative importance of backs. The old (and incorrect) truism was forwards win matches and backs decide by how much is basically based on possession. The usage is based more on the backs.

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