The trauma and near excellence of Argentina (Part 2)

By Marty Gleason / Roar Guru

Argentina have just completed one of the best performances of their history, stringing together repeated slick passing movements to crush Paraguay 6-1 in the 2015 Copa America semi-final.

They will contest a wonderful Copa America final against an almost equally skilled Chile in Santiago.

Before they finally got to this point, however, they had to pass through a despairing six or seven years, where with dread I had stopped short in yesterday’s article.

In the decade of the 2000s, the single attacking central midfielder (the number 10) had been going out of fashion at the expense of wingers and eventually, towards using multiple and versatile attacking players from all angles with all-round game instead of specialists.

But Argentina played one of their purest tournaments yet in the 2007 Copa America. They waltzed through the month with Juan Roman Riquelme controlling things even more supremely, for the last time, and Lionel Messi, for now at least, seamlessly integrated.

In the other half of the draw nemesis Brazil had not only sent a B-team to Venezuela but had struggled to the final. Argentina were heavily favoured. But this set the stage for perhaps Argentina’s most devastating loss yet. Brazil were a one-two punch team, who attacked quickly and directly and whose superior goalmouth intuition ripped Argentina apart 3-0. The Argentines worked the ball slowly from player to player and found their attacks broken on a wall.

That was it for Riquelme, whose haughty personality had alienated a number of important teammates. He ended his Argentina career as an enigma, the man who had missed the penalty for Villarreal against Arsenal in 2006, who had come back to Boca Juniors and led them to a messianic victory in the 2007 Copa Libertadores, who had not been able to prevent the meltdown against Brazil.

The next years heralded a crisis. Argentina lost to Colombia, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Brazil and Paraguay in World Cup qualification and, briefly out of their freaking minds, tried using Diego Maradona as coach. They barely qualified for the World Cup.

The result of picking Maradona was a tactical mess, which provoked unprecedented thrashings of the record 6-1 loss to Bolivia, South America’s weakest team, and the 4-0 reversal in the 2010 World Cup quarter-final against, once again, a Germany who had completely reinvented their football culture.

Argentina had now gone five World Cups without even reaching the semi-finals. Without the procession of their talented players sustaining the Champions League, on this record it could have been argued that Argentina were no longer a top-tier national team.

The most galling part of these years was that they were the same ones in which Messi became not only the undisputed world star in the club game with Barcelona, but to such an extent that people were suggesting him as the greatest ever player since Maradona himself.

Yet he was oddly powerless to prevent the Argentina team from crumbling from 2008-11. In the Germany quarter-final, Carlos Tevez, Gonzalo Higuain and Messi were detailed to attack but never helped out to keep the team compact on defence, an absolute modern day no-no.

The connection between the Argentine public and certain players is definitely an intimate one. Juan Sebastian Veron, Riquelme and now Tevez all prematurely returned from Europe, from outsider eyes in failure, but from their perspective to return to the heart of their people. These selected heroes are often the ones intimately connected to the Boca Juniors team of working-class Buenos Aires.

Tevez has arguably never delivered for Argentina’s senior team, and has even been a disruptive influence. Yet as a local boy who grew up poor in Buenos Aires, Argentines will barely countenance the idea of the Argentina national team playing without him. This week he has oddly returned to Boca Juniors after two very successful years at Juventus, aged only 31.

This connection, needless to say, did not exist with Messi, who left with his family to live in Spain aged 12. They say that what redeemed Messi until he finally started clicking with Argentina around 2012 was at least he had not lost his Rosario accent.

There was a further failure at home in the 2011 Copa America before the team finally seemed to get it together in the lead-up to the 2014 World Cup.

Despite finishing runner-up in Brazil last year and only losing to a spectacular goal seven minutes from the end of the tournament, I would argue that the World Cup was a huge chance wasted for Argentina, one that will not come again even if they beat Chile on July 4.

They were playing in placid southern Brazilian cities close to home (while, say, Italy were crucified in places like Manaus and Natal). Their attackers Sergio Aguero, Messi and Angel Di Maria were a who’s who of recent European seasons. They were given a marshmallow of a draw.

I had always said that Argentina’s conception of the game has in recent years been great, but they’ve never gotten the breaks. This time they did not have to play a single difficult team until the semi-final. It was an open invitation to turn on the style. But Argentina trudged through forgettable match after forgettable match.

Messi provided a childlike thrill that the biggest star was delivering on the biggest stage with four early goals, including an iconic last-minute winner over Iran. But he had gone through the two worst seasons of his career approaching the World Cup and he was too jaded to continue in the same vein. Argentina’s other two potential match-winners Aguero and Di Maria were both injured.

It led to Argentina not scoring for the last five hours of the 2014 World Cup. Victory would have been an aberration, despite an impressive showing in the final against, yet again, Germany. Higuain, Messi and Rodrigo Palacio all missed their chances for immortality when each had a one-on-one with German goalkeeper Manuel Neuer. None of their shots found the target.

Argentina continued in the same vein in this year’s Copa America. But in the quarter-final against Colombia, Argentina were finally able to sort out their movement, playing their best match since, say, the 2006 World Cup.

The ball agonisingly didn’t enter the net, however. Argentina could thank the gods that, when they soul-crushingly missed two penalties that would have won the match, they were magically handed a third chance.

Against Paraguay, the goals finally came. Now they contest possibly the biggest grudge match in South America. How do I put this delicately? Everyone in South America loves to beat Argentina for reasons that are not due to sports. Chile, who have had numerous political spats with Argentina, is at another level. It would be a nightmare to lose ‘their’ tournament to the Argentines.

But both teams are the currently the best exponents of the sport of football in the world. On paper this could very well be the perfect final.

The Crowd Says:

2015-07-05T07:44:41+00:00

Josh

Guest


I love La Banda, my life wouldn't be the same without them.

2015-07-05T06:40:08+00:00

cm

Guest


Ah AZ. If we could only sing! Haha. Btw, no surprise maybe but the majority of la Banda are Chilean....

2015-07-05T03:56:08+00:00

AZ_RBB

Guest


Woke up a little late and only caught extra time and the pens. Really hard fought physical game. Didn't really get to see the ability of the players towards the end of the game as fatigue set in. Gary Medel was immense in defence. The atmosphere was out of this world. No capo or PA led chants, just totally organic spontaneous chants ringing around the entire stadium. Also, every Chile penalty was brilliantly hit especially the first which I think was taken by Fernandes. Overall I found the tournament a little underwhelming but keen for next year's centenary tournament involving North & Central America.

2015-07-04T23:54:00+00:00

Fussball ist unser leben

Roar Guru


Chile just been crowned Champions of Combebol. Puts into perspective the quality of the opponents Australia faced at WC 2014. In our Group, only 12 months ago we had Spain: Current Champions of Europe & Champions of the World when we played them Chile: Now, Champions of South America Netherlands: Finished 3rd & 2nd at prior 2 World Cups Australia: Now, Champions of Asia.

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2015-07-04T23:29:01+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Well didn't I put my foot in my mouth over that penalties comment. Chile win the Copa America!

2015-07-04T23:08:11+00:00

cm

Guest


Chile campeones....

2015-07-03T09:10:22+00:00

MarkfromCroydon

Guest


I think that there would be a few Chile players that would make the Argentina team. Alexis Sanchez and Valdivia (when fit) are absolute 'world class" and could easily play for Argentina. Isla and Medel might also get a game.

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2015-07-03T02:25:17+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Also, man for man, of course a bunch of dudes playing for QPR don't compare to Argentina's players. But they are better when playing for Chile. They are almost equally skilled in a collective sense.

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2015-07-03T02:18:14+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


*I mean when I wrote the Chile article Argentina had not yet played well.

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2015-07-03T02:17:05+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Subconsciously maybe I do have a bias, I always like to see the underdogs win and Argentina are seldom that. I felt I had positive things to say about the 2002-7 era teams, whom I very much admired. A lot of contention arises over whether Argentina were any good at World Cup 2014. As I argued in the article, I believe they weren't, but the injuries were of course mitigating factors. Since this was the last tournament covered in the article, perhaps that left the feel that I'd been against them over the two articles. They've played a great quarter- and semi-final and will probably be too good for Chile. When I wrote the article Argentina were still not playing well. Since then they have started to, and them winning in this style would be good for football too. Regarding Messi in the 2009-11 years, you will perhaps concede that the Argentinian public had to warm to him a little bit in a way that they didn't have to do with, to use the example from the article, Tevez. Such things are easier when the team is winning. This is not to 'blame' him for the results. Even so by 2011 he had already done incredible things with Barcelona and playing the 'youth' card at that stage is letting him off the hook a tad. Thanks for reading and for your arguments

2015-07-03T01:48:43+00:00

Steve

Guest


Also something to consider, the following teams in the past 20 years have played in consecutive World Cup and Euro/Copa Finals - Ronaldo's Brazil of late 90s and early 2000s - Zidane's France of late 90s and early 2000s - Xavi's Spain of the late 2000s and early 2010s - Messi's Argentina of the early 2010s

2015-07-03T00:26:37+00:00

Steve

Guest


Come on what? Copa America in 2011 was 4 matches, hardly enough to judge anyone from. They lost in penalties to the eventual winner. I agree, they were a shambles, mostly due to poor coaching and selection. Blaming the fate of your football team on one 23 year old is stupid, particularly when their defence back then was completely woeful. You don't lose 6-1 to Bolivia because your attacking stars failed to turn up, it's because your defence is shocking. And I correct myself, Messi only just turned 23 during the 2010 WC, he was 22 for most of it. Anyway, who cares about then. Since the 2011 Copa America and since Messi has been captain of the Argentina side they qualified on top of CONMEBOL for the 2014 FIFA WC. They made the Final, and lost 7 minutes from penalties against the side who thrashed Brazil 7-1 a few days earlier. And now they have made the Copa America Final. It seems in fact that since Messi has reached the age where most footballers mature (i.e. 25) that he has in fact done pretty much as well as could have been expected in the past 4 years or so for Argentina. The period your refer to 2008-2011, was the period where Argentina had no real quality players between the key ages of 25-30. They had young stars who were all 23 or under, and old blokes 30 or over, but very few players in that key age bracket. Of course they were not going to dominate. I think some context needs to be given to all results, and this article appears to have not much of this with a slight anti-Argentina bias. You did write an article last week entitled "Chile must win for the good of football" I guess. We will see what happens, but I suspect Argentina will dominate Chile's defence. And if Argentina play like they did against Paraguay, Chile won't come close (sorry, they are NOT equally skilled - Claudio Bravo and Vidal would be the only two players to make Argentina's side).

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2015-07-02T23:32:40+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Good point, but the expectation at minimum is that Argentina always be a competitive team and in 2009 they weren't even that, their results were quite simply terrible. You could hardly think that could be the case with the greatest player off all time in your lineup. They also only won 1 out of 4 matches in the 2011 Copa America IN ARGENTINA. I have sympathy for Messi, but I mean, come on.

2015-07-02T22:42:23+00:00

Steve

Guest


"Yet he was oddly powerless to prevent the Argentina team from crumbling from 2008-11." You mean when he was 20/21-23/24 years old? I think a few people need a refresher on what Maradona, Zidane, Beckenbauer, and many of the other greats did before their 25th birthday at either national or club level. The expectation of Messi to win a World Cup in 2010 when he was 23 for most of the tournament applies to no-one else in history (even Pele who was 23 when Brazil won 1962 but he was a peripheral figure to Garrincha after he was injured early).

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2015-07-02T11:18:00+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Thanks! You're right about the penalties, there's no way Chile win if it's a shootout. I don't rate Argentina terrifically on them either but Chile's penalties last year were abysmal.

2015-07-02T10:21:15+00:00

Jonny

Guest


Nice read :) Chile 2, Argentina 2. Argentina to win on penalties.

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