Hawthorn the only threat to an all-Western Australia grand final

By Michael Cowley / Expert

Some call it a ‘darby’. Others go with ‘derrby’ or ‘derby’. It doesn’t really matter whether you go with a hard E, a soft E, or an E that sounds like an A.

The fact is that the classics played each year between the two Western Australian clubs, now look set to be played at the home of footy as the final match of the 2015 season

An all-Western Australia AFL grand final.

That’s what we’re in for unless the other four clubs can not only reverse what is for them a worrying trend, but find some form to take to Perth for the preliminary finals.

The Eagles were brutal against a Hawthorn team that looked below its best, while the Dockers, while not as convincing in their qualifying final win over the Swans, have shown in the past how difficult they are to beat at home with a grand final berth at stake.

Hawthorn and Sydney would both love to head back to the west for a another crack, at a different WA side this time, while North and the Crows will also be keen for a shot a grand final spot.

And while they all have hopes, dreams, and credentials, history says they are all in trouble.

Since the current finals’ format began back in 2000, where the top four teams meet each other in week one and the bottom four play for survival that same weekend, it’s becoming a habit that those week one winners who get the week off before hosting a preliminary final, go on to play in the grand final.

It happened last year when the Hawks and Swans won in week one, and eventually played the decider, again in 2013 when it was the Hawks and Fremantle, and in 2012 it was Sydney and Hawthorn enjoying the week off before beating their opposition in the prelims and meeting each other in that memorable grand final.

Same story in 2011 when Geelong and Collingwood met in the grand final after week one qualifying finals wins, and likewise in 2010 when St Kilda and Collingwood played the grand final.

In 2009 the Saints and Geelong won in week one, had the week off, won in week three and played on that final September Saturday.

And the same in 2008 with the Hawks and Cats, and again in 2007 with the Cats and Port Adelaide.

That’s eight straight, an imposing record.

If we go back to the beginning in 2000, Essendon and Melbourne won the qualifying finals, before beating Carlton and the Kangaroos respectively to qualify for the grand final. A year later the Bombers and Lions did likewise in week one, and likewise in week three to reach the grand final.

And in 2002, Brisbane and Collingwood won in week one, got a week’s break then both won their preliminary finals before the Lions won back to back flags a week later.

In 2003, Collingwood and Sydney won in week one. The Pies won their prelim, while the Swans lost to eventual winners Brisbane (who lost in week one to Collingwood) in their preliminary final in Sydney.

In 2004 Port Adelaide and Brisbane both won in week one, then both then won their preliminary finals and played the flag decider.

Sydney and the West Coast not only met in the 2005 and 2006 grand finals, but they faced each other in week one in both seasons. In 2005 the Eagles won, as did St Kilda in week one, before Sydney beat the Saints in the preliminary final to set up that cliffhanger grand final.

The following year, Sydney beat the Eagles in Perth in week one, while Adelaide won the other qualifier, but the Eagles then beat the Crows, before going on to beat the Swans in the decider.

So I hear you saying what does that mean now?

Well for one, the week off and having home field advantage and a huge partisan crowd in the preliminary final with a grand final berth at stake, is clearly massive.

I cannot see the Swans or North beating the Eagles at home, especially the way they looked against Hawthorn on Friday. Sure North beat the Eagles in Perth last season, and Sydney have won eight of their past nine against West Coast, including five games in Perth, but on what I saw this weekend, both the Swans and North would need to improve dramatically to match what I saw on Friday.

I think if there is to be a chink in my theory, it’s on the other side of the draw.

I loved the way the Crows played and the spirit they continually display, after all that has happened this season. But I really don’t think they will be able to match the Hawks.

I’d love the feel good story to continue, but I just can’t see it happening.

The Hawks have been scratchy and some would say they were headed for that performance last Friday. I didn’t see it coming, but I can see them bouncing back, and then it’s off to Perth again.

They have beaten the Dockers in seven of the past eight clashes, the only loss being in Perth last season. This potential clash will be a thriller, between two sides both considered flag certainties at various stages of the season.

Right now, I think both are chasing the Eagles, and both better hope they find their earlier season form, or they will be in for a disappointing end to what promised to be their season a few short months ago.

The Crowd Says:

2015-09-16T06:09:08+00:00

JB

Guest


North isn't going to beat WC at Domain. Probably the only scenario where NM beats WC is at Aurora in garbage weather when WC are playing absolutely crap and Harvey cheats near the end by knocking the ball away from Priddis after it's already out of bounds and then appeals to the umpire that he threw it away and gets paid it somehow. Yeah, that happened. I will not forget it.

2015-09-15T01:47:04+00:00

13th Man

Guest


Jax, I think you will find their was a hint of sarcasm there. Of course you have lots of scoring power. Its just amusing that all top 4 sides failed to score 100 points. Freo scored the second most (of the top 4) yet everyone criticises Freo for not scoring 100 but not the other three sides.

2015-09-14T23:46:03+00:00

Pasta Bob

Guest


Hawks? Nah they're spent just like the Swans. Look for the crows or North to put an end to the West boys.

2015-09-14T22:33:15+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


You're way too literal Jax. Surely you don't need that explained.

2015-09-14T13:40:28+00:00

jax

Guest


I'm glad that's settled. Your small forwards are a handful for anyone.

2015-09-14T10:32:29+00:00

Balthazar

Guest


This is very true. Matty's comment, that is. Actually both comments are correct

2015-09-14T09:58:14+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


That's not the context of that conversation. Those boys are great.

2015-09-14T09:42:22+00:00

jax

Guest


They scored 96 pts against the Hawks in windy and showery conditions without Priddid and Masten. We also took our foot off the pedal for a little while in the last quarter. Do you really think they can't win it because they were 4 points short of 100? WC has a lot more scoring power than Freo. Just look at the points for column on the ladder to see the disparity.

2015-09-14T09:39:41+00:00

slane

Guest


Picked Caaaarlton for the spoon too.

2015-09-14T09:19:45+00:00

jax

Guest


"The players will have had a huge rocket for that 3rd Q." They shouldn't have played that badly in Q3 and they shouldn't have needed a rocket, this was a home final with plenty to play for. Play a Q3 like that against WC, Hawks or Crows and you'll be 5 goals down before you know it. "Even in the GF, WC’s small backs are not too big an issue" Wellingham, Shepp, Butler, Ellis and Hurn are more than capable. WC's pressure will ensure that they get a lot of dirty ball coming in.

2015-09-14T09:19:03+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Ta Matty. I'm sure we'll only hear from them if Freo gets done in the Prelim.

2015-09-14T08:26:46+00:00

mattyb

Guest


If north get over Sydney on the weekend I hope some people give you credit for picking Freo,WC and North to all be top 4.You made some brave calls Don but have made few people who ridiculed you look rather silly.Good knowledge and insight.

2015-09-14T06:51:29+00:00

Avon River

Guest


The seedings and expected winners means winners of elims are factored as 5 (over 8) & 6 (over 7). However this year 7 & 8 have won. If North get thru Syd and do so in one piece then the biggest concern in WA last week in Sept is that it not be 33°!!!

2015-09-14T06:30:18+00:00

bryan

Guest


At least we didn't steal it from an American College like half the teams in the AFL did. However,if you really want an awful song,you can't go past Essendon's. But guess what? Bombers supporters don't care---neither do us purple folk!

2015-09-14T06:12:52+00:00

Brian

Guest


plus they traveled to Geelong the week before the Finals so a GF would be a 5th week on the road.

2015-09-14T05:55:05+00:00

13th Man

Guest


Watching Hawthorn on Friday night, they looked cooked. Yes West Coast played very well but the Hawks don't get blown apart like that. Gunston, who is a key player is out. Adelaide's forward line looks far more potent and deadly and the Hawks defence was blown apart on Friday. Also the Crows belted WC only 2 weeks ago, clearly this shows they are a good side. Adelaide may be on the road but they are only travelling between Adelaide and Melbourne (an hour and a half flight) not between Melbourne and Perth (4 hr flight and 2 hr time difference) which is much harder for a team not used to it. I reckon Adelaide will be the fresher of the two and also have less injury problems. I am backing them to get up. If the Hawks do get through they will play a fresh Freo side that will be full strength, this week LMac and Griff were missing and Pav and Fyfe weren't fully fit, they will all be fit and firing in 2 weeks time and you will see a stronger Freo. I personally can't see the Hawks knocking them off. The Swans NEAFL team? I think thats really disrespecting who the Swans still had out on the park, Kennedy, McVeigh, Tippett, Goodes, Mitchell, Hannerberry. Thats still a high quality lineup that shouldn't be underestimated.

2015-09-14T05:38:24+00:00

Brian

Guest


So your theory is Hawthorn would be buggered by playing 2 games in 4 consecutive weeks in Perth with 2 games at home and then traveling home for the GF yet Adelaide who have spent 2 weeks on the road would somehow spend another 2 weeks (with 6 day break) and then travel to the GF fresh and ready to go. The Dockers do keep winning but next match won't be St Kilda, Melbourne or the Swans NEAFL team.

2015-09-14T05:33:29+00:00

johno

Guest


West Coast failed to kick 100 on Friday night!!! Ipso facto their flag dream is over

2015-09-14T04:58:04+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


And both knees.

2015-09-14T04:52:53+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Despite the top 5 all scoring under 100 points, your theory only applies to Freo? Good one Pete. They actually got "(somewhere) near a victory" on Saturday.

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