Quade Cooper 'disappointed' with sin-binning

Nobody is comparing this to how say Foley, performs against Tier 1 opposition. But if Foley against the USA can't light up the attack, how can he be expected to against England? Cooper did against Uruguay, and hey, it's only Uruguay. But doing it against weak opposition is a start at least. I'd say it make you at least more likely to do it against stronger opposition.

Gents, reading all your rhetoric makes me smile. Perhaps we were all watching a different game but the facts are, Uruguay only offered passive resistance. We were always going to receive front foot ball. Therefore, Quade Cooper had the time and space to be creative. In my opinion he was only 30% effective, line kicks pitiful, tactical kicking poor, tackling generally too high, disappointing, goal kicking disastrous. Do you honestly believe England will be that accommodating and offer more than 50% front foot ball, will Quade have the ability to blind side the English backs like the Uruguayans. This is a very difficult contest. Let’s not candy coat this, he would not make muster in SA, NZ or, in an Irish, English or the Welsh team. On his day he can be exciting but is also high maintenance.

No they are HIS. As in go to ESPN rugby. Look up the game, select the Aus stats and look player by player. They are the ones attributed to Quade Cooper. I don't absurdly credit Quade with anything. I note that the Wallabies win the highest percentage of games with Quade at 10. So seemingly Quade at 10 has historically worked best. Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. Must just be bad luck for everybody else.

Well NB against the USA Foley had 1 try assist of 7 and ran for 46m. We are noting that Cooper seems to ignite the attacking players outside him better. Many tries Quade also was the pass before the try assist. If he had not committed defenders and distributed well, the man outside him in those cases would have less time. How exactly is limiting Foley's limitations attacking him? Many are concerned he is unable to get an attacking backline going. Against weak teams he does not get many try assists. Against weak teams Quade does. Perhaps he may be the man to lead us to score more points against the better teams. He won't have the ball on a string, but perhaps 1 or 2 tries will help. As for turnovers, twice he was tackled when receiving the ball. I'm sure if Quade was the passer you'd probably blame him for passing to a player in a worse position.

3 from ELEVEN trys. Unlike 5 from ELEVEN which was his goal kicking. The Wallabies turned the ball over 21 times against an opposition that conceded 68 points whilst missing 1 in 3 tackles. Context matters and I doubt Cooper convinced anyone that he deserves a spot in the 23 let alone the start.

Dont see too many people claiming Foley has been really good or even good tbh. Just QC suporters attacking him whilst promoting QC who has been quite poor. Probably why hes been dropped. QC kicked the ball over the dead ball, got carded, missed a lot of kicks and made a few bad decisions whilst turning the ball over 3 times. He wasnt good. Sure he made 66 metres but only Toomua made less than 60 outside Phipps and that could be because he was subbed for Kuridrani who made 25 metres in 3 mins on the park. He assisted in 3 of ELEVEN trys. Considering the opposition he was mixed, offering the usual mix of good and bad. Thats the truth. He wasnt terrible, he did some good things, his passing was fantastic at times. However he made a few errors, got carded and missed most of his goal kicks.

I think he was pointing out how selective people were being by saying he was good by pointing out how he made a whole bunch of mistakes. He had a mixed game. Sadly it was his best game of the year and it still wasnt good enough. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Foley has been much better. Better but not by much imo.

Yet again you confuse 'his' with 23 players. The stats are indisputable but the way you use them is ridiculous. QC has been ordinary this year yet they won most of those games. You absurdly credit him with those wins when you use the win % as his. It makes no sense. It is NOT his win %. It is the Wallabies win %. He can be and has often been terrible and they win, it isnt because of him, its despite his terrible game. Yet you say "see, QC did that" by claiming the Wallabies win % is his. But yet again Phipps and the forward pack made Cooper get sent off, make errors and miss a whole bunch of kicks. Notch that win up to QCs win %.

Deliberate? Has nothing to do with it.

You just don't get it TWAS. Cooper = bad. Foley = good. Now just proceed from there to select facts which prove the point. Bonus points for hyperbole.

Well said Benno. Cooper and foley both make mistakes and have a hot/cold record when it comes to kicking. (Although the considering all but one of coopers conversions were from the sidelines if you didn't watch the game, 5 from 11 would have seemed poor). But cooper certainly offers more than foley. His passing is better than foley and his kicks in play are also. His defence, I would say, is also better than foley. But Cheika obviously feels more comfortable with foley at no. 10 as he has coached him there at super level. That's the reason why I believe foley is number 10.

He can't kick goals, can't tackle gets yellow cards consistently , knocks on regularly but should somehow be first picked for the wallabies.

I don't think he deliberately grabbed his head or neck though Wal, like the article says it started around the shoulders and then slipped up.

Given the space that was available out wide in the English defence against Wales, someone with the vision and the ability to get it there could really make the difference for the Wallabies. Cooper's inconsistency gives me the conniptions, but I haven't seen Foley show those tools.

The Wallabies will not beat England or Wales with Foley in the side he offers nothing in attack, his tactical kicking game is average and he can't tackle. The 10mins Quade was off the field the wallabies looked like a team that would struggle against the local under 14's side. Toomua certainly didn't put up his hand to steady the ship and Giteau has stated repeatedly he is not a 10, he said the first thing he learnt from Johnny Wilko when he got to Toulon was he simply doesn't have the game to be effective at 10 and he wished he had learnt earlier in his career that he was most effective at 12. Quade is the best choice the wallabies have at 10 love him or hate him it is what it is. The "Copper can't tackle" argument has run its course the people still making that claim clearly don't watch much rugby, he has improved his defence to the point that he rarely misses a tackle any more and regularly wins turnover ball in the tackle contest. All creative playmakers are guilty of the the occasional bad pass or misdirected kick, I've seen Dan Carter make plenty of mistakes without any of the criticism Quade gets on a regular basis. -- Comment from The Roar's iPhone app.

It was considered to be harshly dealt a YC. What do you expect him to say? "Was stoked to get a 10 minute breather 5 minutes into the game for an innocuous tackle. Really happy with it."?

True I should. What I meant was the high ball receive. The player receives/ takes ball at the level Cooper tackles. I think these things look worse in slo mo but at the end of the day he did get a yellow and has received a few yellows over time. Cheika will have to consider this tendency and whether it is a risk he can take. But if setting up 4 tries is a bad game then I will eat my hat.

Yes, a sweet long pass has always been one of his key strengths.

Perhaps have a good look in that mirror room too Mick. I have made a couple of balanced statements regarding both the tackle and Quade's play. So to summarise my position in nice simple language for you. The tackle was illegal and stupid as even if he was successful he gives up a metre or 2. It was a soft tackle to receive a yellow on but it was above the shoulders so he leaves it entirely in the refs hands. Quade is an enigma on the Rugby field he is capable of some sublime play, there are 3 passes on the highlight reel any player would have been proud of. See time stamps 16 sec, 52 Sec 1min 8 sec HOWEVER I would not pick him as he is just a capable of putting his team under unnecessary pressure with brain fades, poor defence and trying too do to much. NZ, SA, Eng, Wal, Ire and Fra, are all capable of exploiting those mistakes to the maximum negating any of his freakish talents in the process. For a perfect example see Carlos Spencer 2003 RWC Semi.

Nope no Joke To date there have been 16 yellow cards issued in 19 matches this compares with 18 for the entire 2011 tourney. Citing ones they missed doesn't mean they aren't trying to come down hard on it. and the World Rugby pre-tournament clarification High Tackles and Neck contact - Law 10.4(e) Every time the head or the neck is deliberately grabbed or choked, the offending player runs the risk of receiving a yellow or red card Cleanouts around the neck must be penalised