Winning the World Cup would be bittersweet for Australians

By sheek / Roar Guru

So Aussie rugby fans, here’s a moral dilemma: World Rugby (former IRB) tells us that referee Craig Joubert erred in awarding the Wallabies a 78th minute penalty goal against Scotland.

It should have been a scrum. We’ll come back to the moral dilemma soon.

Now with the scrum, there are so many things that need to go right before you can even think about your options.

The forwards would have required a stable platform, with the ball being channelled back through the centre under control, then perhaps a quick, flat delivery from Nick Phipps to Bernard Foley for a drop goal attempt.

Was the drop goal on? Considering the timeframe, and the score, most definitely.

By the time the ball got to Foley, time would most certainly be just about up (considering how long it can take to set a scrum properly) and the defenders would be charging directly at him.

Assuming he received a good pass from Phipps, and was able to set himself correctly, Foley would then have had to hit the ball sweetly and accurately.

Again, that’s a lot of things to get right in a compressed timeframe. And if not the drop, would the Wallabies have tried to run the ball for a try?

Perhaps, even probably, considering they had already scored five good tries against the Scots. And with a potential try in the offing, they could build momentum through numerous rucks, while the drop goal is usually a one-off option.

Anyway, so much for the ‘what ifs’.

World Rugby’s statement that referee Joubert made a mistake means that the rest of the world now see Australia as illegitimate contenders. In short, we shouldn’t be there.

Someone, I think it was fellow Roarer Red Kev, made the point that the Wallabies can say goodbye to any 50-50 calls in their favour in their next two matches.

So what do Wallabies supporters think? Is there a sense of unease about the Wallabies progressing under such fortuitous circumstances?

Or is the attitude a philistine one of the end justifying the means?

Let’s forget about the Wallabies playing the more enterprising rugby in the quarter-final against Scotland. The brutal fact is that at the 78th minute of the match, the Wallabies were out of the World Cup and were going home.

Only a miracle could save them, and the miracle came, not by their own skill and daring, as in 1991, but by a botched decision from the ref in their favour.

Here’s the second moral dilemma for Aussies. We pride ourselves on the ‘fair go’.

Ask most Aussies what they like about their country, and the idea of a fair go would be at the top of the list, along with things like mateship, tolerance, egalitarianism, innovation, independence, hard work and a sense of humour and fun.

So how do we feel about progressing from a referee’s poor judgement? Where’s the Aussie fair go in that?

The sad thing is, having dispatched England and Wales bravely, and now Scotland in highly contentious circumstances, the rest of the world are probably going to let us know at every opportunity that we are pretenders, and not deserving contenders.

What kind of reaction do you think Stephen Moore will get if he steps up to the podium to lift the William Webb Ellis Cup as world champions?

If the Wallabies win the final through scintillating rugby against either the All Blacks or Springboks, the rest of the world might forgive us. Maybe.

But if there’s any sense that we’ve ridden our luck beyond what is reasonable, then I think the Wallabies will be the most unpopular and disliked world champions in history.

Should we care?

I know I do, but I get the impression many Aussie Roarers, from their writings, won’t give a toss.

Here’s your opportunity to tell me if you have a soul, or not.

I’m on record as saying the World Cup champions ought to be someone that brings credit to the game, and right now no country deserves that honour more than New Zealand.

The All Blacks have effectively been the best rugby nation on earth for the best part of a decade. And they have only got better.

A recent study by The New Zealand Herald showed that while the All Blacks won 71 per cent of their matches in the amateur era, they have increased their winning ratio to 83 per cent in the professional era.

This upward trend has cut against most pundits’ predictions (including me), that New Zealand’s small population and economic base would work against them in the professional era.

In addition to this, New Zealand have arguably the game’s greatest ever player in Richie McCaw and greatest ever flyhalf in Dan Carter.

McCaw has played 146 Tests and is the fourth most winningest player in history (89.04 per cent), of those who have appeared in more than 50 Tests.

The three marginally ahead of him are all fellow current All Blacks Sam Whitelock (tops at 90.14), Conrad Smith and Ma’a Nonu.

Pick an all-time, best-ever XV and there’s a very good chance that at least a third of the team will be All Blacks. They are to rugby what the Selecao (Brazil) are to football, or the baggy greens (Australia) are to cricket.

My view of Australia as a country is that we have changed perhaps for the worse.

As a society we have become more self-centred and materialistic. Ripping each other off, especially in the major cities, is now an industry in itself.

Most sporting fans, I’ve observed, are also selfish.

It’s all about their enjoyment. And the best way to maximise your enjoyment is when your team wins. How they win is a trifling matter often quickly dispensed with. All that matters is that my team won.

As journalist Greg Baum once said: “Winning needs no explanation, losing has no alibi.” That could be the motto of Wallabies fans?

I’m uncomfortable about what has transpired. I’m still going to root for the Wallabies. I have enjoyed the fact they have rediscovered their love of the gold jersey, their enterprise, their self-belief, their love of rugby.

But there will be a bittersweet feeling if they triumph in the World Cup.

Perhaps the last word should go to former Labor leader Arthur Calwell: “It is better to be defeated on principle than to win on lies.”

The All Blacks will win the World Cup, the Wallabies will be worthy runners-up (if lucky to have got there), and all will be good with the world of rugby.

The Crowd Says:

2015-10-28T06:28:56+00:00

Beny Iniesta

Guest


Wallabies in the Rugby World Cup in UK & Ireland 2015 World Cup (6 Wins in UK & Ireland – 5 England, 1 Wales) 2007 World Cup (1 Win – 1 Wales) 1999 World Cup (6 Wins in UK & Ireland – 3 Ireland, 2 Wales, 1 England) 1991 World Cup (6 Wins in UK & Ireland – 3 Wales, 2 Ireland, 1 England) Total (1991-2015) Played 19 Won 19 Drawn 0 Lost 0 England (7 Wins); Wales (7 Wins); Ireland (5 Wins). Not a bad winning streak coming into the World Cup Final at Twickenham.

2015-10-25T05:34:32+00:00

Mike

Guest


"Winning the World Cup would be bittersweet for Australians" Nah, just sweet. "So how do we feel about progressing from a referee’s poor judgement?" Okay thanks. It happens all the time. In cricket its even worse, and cricket is far more popular with Australians than rugby. You get the occasional unusual player like Gillie or the late Stan McCabe who believed in walking when you know you are out, but our biggest hero is Bradman whose philosophy was "Never walk". He figured that for every decision that was wrongly in his favour, there were one or more that were unfairly against him, so just accept whatever comes and get on with the game. I have lived through the Deans era when we lost two tests against New Zealand by only 1 point, and other tests by 5 points or less. Some of those tests could have been turned by a referee's decision, but I don't spend time agonizing over that. The fact is, we lost those tests. That's the way it goes. If we win this RWC then we will deserve it. "Here’s your opportunity to tell me if you have a soul, or not." Yes I do. Agreeing with you is not the criterion for whether one has a soul. ;) Enjoy the next couple of games. Or not. Its entirely up to you.

2015-10-25T01:44:06+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


Oh no I'm sure you would have seen some. I'm also sure you would have seen some where you could not be sure that they were knock on's. I imagine we have seen the same coverage. I can't see where it is clear and obvious that the ball was knocked on. Unless we are talking about different events I think you are assuming it was a blatant knock on.

2015-10-24T06:38:02+00:00

Lindommer

Guest


Genia's left hand, ball bobbled off the back of it before he picked it up. Quite clear on slo-slo-mo.

2015-10-22T11:56:53+00:00

Internal Fixation

Guest


Agree 100% and these resulted in points

2015-10-22T11:52:31+00:00

Internal Fixation

Guest


Exactly. Many bs scrum calls against the Wallabies front row that resulted in points for Scotland. What goes around can come around and the NH whingers need to suck it up. I'll be celebrating if we win but that seems a remote possibility given current form.

2015-10-22T03:40:08+00:00

PureAussie

Guest


How life in the darkness mate? Obviously that's where your head is firmly planted.

2015-10-22T02:29:24+00:00

Cliff (Bishkek)

Guest


Sheek - I will apologise for the "botched decision" and honestly I thought that it was in the text. But this was in the text referee’s poor judgement? Full text -- "So how do we feel about progressing from a referee’s poor judgement? Where’s the Aussie fair go in that? And there is no loss of respect for your articles and I see what you are saying, but Camelot is a long time past and there was an article this morning on, back in the day, before my 60s / 70s period - but it held still then - "Never question a referee's decision and Respect the referee". It is true and even in my day I went against that mantra - but we did call him Sir. So I still think it is a long bow -- and we should all move on!! Cheers

2015-10-22T00:51:34+00:00

Andy

Guest


"Here's your opportunity to tell me if you have a soul, or not"...and who are you exactly?

2015-10-21T23:39:21+00:00

Buk

Guest


Thanks Biffa - I stand corrected. I watched it and thought 'knock on by Hardie first incident' without looking closely - but you are correct, it was not off his hands.

2015-10-21T22:59:22+00:00

Ralph

Roar Guru


"For it to be “wrong” Joubert had to have made a dishonest call.." That is not correct. There are other circumstances apart from Mr Joubert's actions that could cause injustice to occur.

AUTHOR

2015-10-21T22:50:00+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Thanks James Mc, My overriding intention, missed by some Roarers, was not to denigrate the Wallabies win, but make people think beyond the simple act of winning or losing. For those Aussie supporters who suggest that everyone should just suck it up & move on, I look forward to the next test that the Wallabies lose in the last minute through a contentious penalty. Then we'll see if people can take it as well as give it! Thanks for all the responses, most were given in a very positive light.

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2015-10-21T22:46:32+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Spizz, As one of my mates replied in an email, it's wrong to focus on the 78th minute, & not the 4th minute, or 33rd minute, or 57th minute, or wherever else a contentious penalty was awarded. I accept that censure. World rugby has now opened a pandora's box. By attempting to explain that 78th minute decision, they have actually created more trouble for themselves. And it didn't help by throwing Joubert to the wolves in the process.

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2015-10-21T22:42:37+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Tahpan, Unsurprisingly, I disagree with your assertion of my article. Not unfair at all, just a query.

2015-10-21T21:10:15+00:00

James Mc

Guest


Hi Sheek. I don't often post, but I found your article very thought provoking. It's always interesting to add other perspectives to any event. I appreciate what you've written and even why and I hope you continue to be the voice that says 'hang on a minute' Having said that - I believe that Joubert made the correct decision based on what he saw and in real time. And for me, that's the end of the matter. If the Wallabies get to lift Bill it will be because they deserve to. But they'd need to get through the Boks or my beloved AB's first.

2015-10-21T21:02:14+00:00

Peter Hughes

Roar Rookie


I'm comfortable with the W win against Scotland in that they won with a poor performance & progressed. With 5 tries to 3 (3 lucky one's from Scotland) they clearly deserved to win. The final penalty (as Spiro & others have pointed out) was not a bad decision from Joubert. It was just one 50-50 call that went W's way for a change. There were other 50-50 decisions that went Scotland's way in that game & cost the W's at least 14 points (1 try & 3 penalties) Foley still had to pick the final goal & there were still 2 mins left to play so it did not decide the game. The after match whining from northern hem fans & the WC admin are nothing but sour grapes imo will be forgotten in a few days. Stop feeding the story & it will be forgotten faster.

2015-10-21T19:48:08+00:00

Biffa

Guest


The incident happened so quickly and involved so many richochets in a plethora of bodies that no ref could comprehend in that few split seconds exactly what had happened. Hence, the decision to call a penalty is all the more baffling. knock on or not (and for what it's worth, Hardie did not knock on as the ball hit his shoulder/chin - watch the video!).

2015-10-21T19:43:28+00:00

Biffa

Guest


Don't have a problem with Joubert's call. Have a huge problem with Phipps behaviour. Wouldn't want to turn my back on him in a room!

2015-10-21T19:41:45+00:00

Biffa

Guest


Joubert was not to blame - he reffed it as he saw it. My gripe is with Phipps who knew he made contact with the ball but still appealed for the penalty. "Win at all costs mentality" more befitting of the ABs. Sorry to see this time it was Aussie behaving like McCaw. Lost all respect.

2015-10-21T17:58:42+00:00

hopalong

Guest


What a dumb insinuation.

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