WADA's Essendon appeal to start

Newsflash!!!!!!......Roy Masters says EFC will be found guilty by WADA enquiry. John Cleese says, 'this is just like flogging a dead parrot' and Sir Les Patterson says, ' they can all get stuffed'.....no clarification as to what Sir Les wants stuffed.

"You have alluded to the judges being on the take for the whole time, nice backtrack." Actually you're the one who backtracked on your idea that Hirdy and his boys should sue just about everyone. If you can't admit the obvious truths that you're a backtracker and I'm not, then you're not even worth debating.

Its hilarious what the Hirdites will say in an effort to convince themselves their club has done nothing wrong. Somehow its ALWAYS someone else's fault with these guys. Hird never hired convinced drug dealer and friend Shane Charters, Hird never told Dank to push the boundaries, Doc Reid never noticed the players being given hundreds of off-site injections and never attempted to intervene, the players had no idea what they were being given was performance-enhancing and potentially bannable.... somehow it was all the AFL or Caroline Wilson's fault right guys? I can't wait to see the players cop their fair whack. Watching Essendon chained to the bottom of the ladder for years will be an absolute pleasure, and justice for the despicable manner the club tried to cheat their opponents and then deny everything to get away with it. Could not happen to a more deserving bunch.

The question that is intriguing, is this Performance Enhancing?

You have alluded to the judges being on the take for the whole time, nice backtrack

Trenerry Boy and Paul D- I never said judges were on the take or anything of the sort. I just said that the AFL chose carefully as to which judges they wanted hearing the case. So does any government when they make significant judicial appointment- a Liberal government usually appoints a conservative judge whose past work indicates they oppose activism, while a Labor government is more likely to appoint activist judges who feel the judiciary can make a difference in areas where politicians can't or won't. Do you really think the AFL drew the names of those judges out of a hat? And when exactly did the AFL set Essendon up to fail?

That's what I said, but then I said common sense would suggest to put it all to bed and get on with it, but that does not specifically mean someone or something should not look into ASADA's conduct here. I certainly would welcome it, they have shown themselves dishonest, tampering with evidence, providing what they themselves know is probable forged evidence and who knows what else.

Andy, that's a typical disgraceful and baseless slur by you against 3 justices. Pathetic.

Yep, the AFL set Essendon up to fail, then set Essendon up to win - nice one Andy, by using judges on the take - do you really actually believe what you are saying and thinking - seriously. Judges on the take, judges with brown paper bags full of AFL money, free AFL memberships for judges on the take. Nice work Andy

trenerry boy said | November 16th 2015 @ 6:33pm "I would like the players and Hird to take a couple of steps further and look into legal action against ASADA" No further questions, your honour.

Who says ASADA needs to be taken to court over this matter, I said they should be held to account, there is a myriad of ways to deal with it, they should be held to account in some form, whether he testified or not is IMO not the point. I hope you can understand that

This is what I call a concern. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/emergency-essendon-meeting-planned-as-players-health-fears-grow-20130816-2s0y5.html Any injections of recycled blood at Hawthorn were simply done to treat injuries, and Worksafe found this to be quite ethical, safe and legal. The Danker's human experiment on the other hand.............

"The tribunal was as independent as it gets, 3 career judges who would not risk their careers on footballers regarding what amounts to in the scheme of thing." The judges were appointed by the AFL, who like I said are a bit of a boys club in these situations and love people who can make their sport look clean, especially when the club is big and powerful like Essendon are. The AFL didn't appoint the first three names on the list, they chose carefully.

Trenerry, I don’t know how many times this needs to be said – but since it’s not registering, I’ll say it again. An employee of ASADA discussed potential employment with Charters. No formal offer was made. None was accepted. No evidence was supplied by Charters in the form of sworn testimony. Any attempt to mount a case against this would be laughed out of court, as it falls well, well short of the standard proof required in a legal framework. While I’m sure it all sounds very glib and great to you writing your spirited defence on the Roar, understand it is so much wasted time as it would never pass muster in a courtroom. Please jump off this horse and stop flogging it, as it’s well and truly dead.

Basically ASADA were offering the keys to the crèche to Mr Bubbles, offering Potential employment to Charters to work with NRL players. Nothing short of inducement to testify, they should be held to account.

The tribunul was as independent as it gets, 3 career judges who would not risk their careers on footballers regarding what amounts to in the scheme of things minor drug charges, secondly we actually have emails from a dada, are you following mate, actually emails offering employment to a key witness, we do not have one shred of evidence proving that Charters was bribed by Salvo, Essendon or anyone else, just gossip

So the article stating Hawthorn pushing the boundaries is of no concern. Oh ok. The injections of recycled blood (and who knows what else) should be. And about keeping records? Well.........

First of all, I don't think the tribunal was all that independent, and I think that's why WADA were so keen to appeal the findings. There seems to be a widespread belief that Charter changed sides a few times, possibly when each side offered him more money to do so. I'm sure there are some at ASADA who regret trying to deal with him. But ASADA had every right to pursue a case against a club that had no idea what they'd given their players, and quite honestly I think ASADA need more powers- sporting bodies have shown they cannot (and/or do not want to) police drugs in their own sport because it's just too much trouble for them and a lot of them have a boys club mentality. If WADA do succeed in their appeal then I will be quite happy and won't feel bad for the players- as much as the whole thing was James Hird's fault, the players still had the option of saying no to the injections- David Zaharakis showed it was easy to opt out of.

I have provided some links, but it is very difficult on this site to link everything, I am happy, suffice to say everything I have claimed is documented. ASADA did offer potential employment for testimony, players who were unsure of what they took but were just written down as having taken TB4 by ASADA, the independent tribunal was scathing of some of ASADA evidence, even ASDA admitted it was most likely forged, none of this is new startling stuff, we have known about these revelations for a considerable period of time

"It is all documented andy, we have emails from ASADA promising potential jobs, we have players stating that they have heard of thymosin during a interview or the name thymosin rings a bell, so ASADA puts them down as using TB4, the players never admitted that they used TB4." Produce this evidence please.