WATCH: Saracens create history by scoring hat-trick of penalty tries

Well perhaps come Six nations time the sudden absence of a hundred is so SH players contributes to that?

12 years is a long time in Rugby. It's the length of most careers.

Dominant scrums should be rewarded as the opposition losing their bind isn't safe. You only have to watch the Paris v Munster to see how awful Munster's binds were. You couldn't penalise Paris for that.

Agreed Taylorman, I'd be stoked to see my team dominate so well in set piece, but I'd want them to play a little more exhilarating rugby and show they attack in the traditional sense too. An awesome effort though and played to the conditions.

My thoughts exactly, any team suffering three penalty tries would be embarrassed, but one with the history and pride of Leicester

12 years is recent in my book. To be fair a lot of what I am saying is in line with rugby thinkers in the NH - people such as Brian Moore. So it's not so much a northern hemisphere issue as a cultural issue. Some people would prefer to maintain the (relatively recent) status quo at all costs.

How many penalties have been awarded to teams for losing a lineout, not throwing straight or having hopeless jumpers? Different story with the scrums. If anything dominant teams should be penalised, not rewarded, when they drive through and purposely disintegrate the opposition scrum (dangerous play and intentional collapsing).

'The idea of scrumming for a penalty is a fairly recent phenomenon in rugby – when you dominate the scrum your reward should be possession, not penalties. It is a bit of a NH obsession to win penalties from scrums, and a lot of referees automatically penalise the perceived weaker scrum (there is no law in rugby stating a dominant scrum be awarded a penalty).' Not really. England and France were doing it to the Wallabies 12 years ago and that is not recent.

You win a penalty when the opposition drags the maul down. Quiet a few pen tries have been dished out through that in the act of scoring.

He is and not being responsible for the pen tries enhances his reputation.

The big difference between scrums and lineouts is that in the lineout the dominant team wins possession, not a penalty.

The idea of scrumming for a penalty is a fairly recent phenomenon in rugby - when you dominate the scrum your reward should be possession, not penalties. It is a bit of a NH obsession to win penalties from scrums, and a lot of referees automatically penalise the perceived weaker scrum (there is no law in rugby stating a dominant scrum be awarded a penalty). I understand when scrums are close to the line you might look for a pushover, which is fine, but I think using the scrum to win penalties is a negative mindset.

Pretend tries too confuse the new comer to Rugby.

Awful refereeing, in my view - at least as to the first and third tries. In the first, the attacking player actually did score the try within two seconds of the referee blowing his whistle. The referee was trigger-happy. It was clear there was a possibility that the try might be scored if the referee had just waited. In other words he did not play advantage anywhere near long enough. In the third, he played no advantage at all after the ball left the scrum. It seemed pretty clear that the halfback could quite easily have scored but was not given the opportunity to. The last thing the game needs is more interference from the referee when a simple application of advantage would allow the players to determine the outcome.

Aaron Maugers getting a few raps at Welford road I thought.

Yes, I imagine it was embarrassing.

True, and as I recall certain folk wanted rid of those as well. when you aren't even allowed to tackle the ball carrier it's a sad direction the games going in, and here a thrashing occurs when a side wins by scoring tries without ever having to actually score them. Top effort scrum wise, but Don't know whether it's a record worth celebrating.

taylorman, Not fair. We've had the wettest December in 100 years and already January's average rainfall has fallen in the first week. I don't say the NH can't learn from the SH, but we can play some decent rugby as well. Have a look at what Wasps did to Toulon, despite their millions and large number of SH players (Habana, Cooper, Juan Smith, Lobbe, Vermeulen, et al) before the rain set in. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wasps+toulon

Pretty big effort to do it against Leicester who pride themselves on the set piece. It's a big blow to their ego.

Exactly no different to Pocock scoring triple meat all from lineout and drives.