NRL Thursday Night Forecast: Panthers vs Bulldogs

By Lachlan Bickley / Roar Guru

Welcome back to The Roar‘s NRL Thursday Night Forecast.

We started well last week by correctly predicting that Brisbane would win in a close game against Parramatta. And while our first try scorer selection Corey Oates didn’t open the scoring he did damn near everything else.

We continue this week with the same format as last week with a look at both team’s recent form, an analysis of all the line-up changes, an examination of what to watch for tactically and finally a (probably incorrect) first try scorer tip and match prediction.

As always we finish with our shoe-in of the week.

Recent form
Unlike last week we now have some genuine form to consider.

Firstly, the home team who lost a close game in Canberra. In seasonably hot conditions both teams were very scratchy making a combined 22 errors. For the Panthers, it probably goes down as a lost opportunity as the team led 22-16 early in the second half before surrendering the last 14 points. The team struggled in particular after the loss of James Segeyaro to a broken arm at around the 55-minute mark.

By contrast the Bulldogs were runaway winners at Brookvale Oval, turning forward dominance into an early rout as they cruised to a 22-0 half-time lead and a final score of 28-6. Just how dominant were the Bulldogs forwards?

Well, in the first half alone James Graham had 18 carries for 129 metres, Aidan Tolman had 17 carries for 98 metres, Tony Williams ran for nearly 90 metres and Sam Kasiano had nearly 70. Meanwhile, Jake Trbojevic led the Eagles with only seven carries for 57 metres as Manly were starved of possession.

It was a statement performance from a team that split the pundits in the early season assessments.

Team line-ups
Only Round 2 and already we’re seeing injuries at key positions for a lot of teams including this week’s Thursday combatants. As with last week, we present the team list according to how the team actually lines up on the field.

Panthers Position Bulldogs
Will Smith Fullback Will Hopoate
Dallin Watene-Zelezniak Left Winger Sam Perrett
Peter Hiku Left Centre Kerrod Holland
Waqa Blake Right Centre Josh Morris
Josh Mansour Right Winger Curtis Rona
Peter Wallace Left half Moses Mbye
Jamie Soward Right half Josh Reynolds
Sam McKendry Prop Aiden Tolman
Tyrone Peachey Hooker Craig Garvey
Reagan Campbell-Gillard Prop James Graham
Isaah Yeo Left Second Row Tony Williams
Bryce Cartwright Right Second Row Josh Jackson
Trent Merrin Lock Greg Eastwood
James Fisher-Harris Interchange Sam Kasiano
Jeremy Latimore Interchange Tim Browne
Suaia Matagi Interchange David Klemmer
Elijah Taylor Interchange Adam Elliott

The first thing to note is that both teams will be fielding a new No.9 after both lost their first choice hooker to injury in Round 1. At this stage it is expected that Segeyaro will be sidelined for six to eight weeks and Michael Lichaa to miss four to six weeks.

Coincidently both teams actually did have first-grade standard backup dummy halves on their rosters in 2015 with Apisai Koroisau at the Panthers and Damian Cook at the Bulldogs. However both were released in the off-season leaving the teams decidedly thinner in the position.

The Panthers have surprised some by selecting Tyrone Peachy as a make-shift dummy half to replace Segeyaro rather than promoting junior international Zach Dockar-Clay from their NSW team. While Dockar-Clay was a half until recently he has been earmarked for the dummy half role at the Panthers and has trained at the position since joining the club.

Aside from that the Panthers also welcome back Elijah Taylor to the top grade after he was a late omission in favour of James Fisher-Harris for the game against the Raiders. Taylor is a fine player however it remains to be seen whether his game is suited to an impact role off the bench.

As I wrote in my Panthers season preview, Taylor is a player whose value is mostly tied to his high work rate. So if he’s not playing 80 minutes or near to it, it isn’t clear where he fits for this team.

Finally for the Panthers, Will Smith is retained at fullback with Matt Moylan still injured. Smith was among the Panthers’ best in the loss to Canberra, positioning himself well in defence and contributing in defence. Smith even deputised at dummy half in attack after Segeyaro went off injured.

For the Bulldogs it will be Craig Garvey who deputises for injured hooker Lichaa. Garvey joined the Bulldogs from the Dragons in the off-season after playing ten games for the club over three seasons, all bar one of them off the bench.

Beyond the inclusion of Garvey in place of Lichaa the Bulldogs also welcome back the junkyard dog David Klemmer from suspension and give a debut to right centre Kerrod Holland who joined the club from the Knights in the off-season and will replace the injured Chase Stanley. Holland was named at centre in the NSW Cup team of the year in 2015 and at 23 years old will be looking to jump start his first grade career.

Meanwhile, if ever there was a case of the rich getting richer it is adding Klemmer to a Dogs forward pack that just ran all over the Sea Eagles.

What to watch for: The 106-kilogram halfback
For several years the Bulldogs have built their team around the strength of their forward pack and after their dominant performance on Friday evening at Brookvale that is where we shall focus.

While many were predicting the Bulldogs might struggle to adapt to both the heat and the reduced interchange, instead the team thrived with James Graham in particular turning in a truly epic 72-minute, 185-metre, 39-tackle performance.

We’ll get to Graham shortly but first it’s worth exploring the fallacy that the Dogs were likely to struggle with the reduced interchange.

With Josh Jackson and Tony Williams both very comfortable playing 80 minutes on the edges, the reality is you only have to fill 240 minutes of middle unit time. Which means that even if Graham drops back from the colossal 72 minutes he turned in on Friday to a more human 60-65 minutes and Tolman stays at around his 2015 average of 60 you still only need to get around 115 to 120 minutes from your starting lock and bench middles.

Which means about 40 minutes each for international representative Greg Eastwood, international representative Sam Kasiano and NSW representative Klemmer. Each of those players is more than capable of playing effectively for that long and it requires only six changes to get them all on and off the field leaving two in reserve for another player such as Tim Browne.

Of course it helped on Friday night that Tolman was taken from the field just before half-time with a free interchange after he was hurt as a result of foul play.

But Graham’s value extends beyond simply the amount of time he spends on the field. We’ve heard it many times before but Graham is such a skilful player for his size – heck for any size really – that he truly is an additional playmaker out there. Possessing both a neat passing game and the intelligence to utilise it effectively, especially inside the opposition 20-metre line, Graham adds an additional dimension in attack that few teams enjoy.

This skill was on display very early on Friday night as Graham combined first with Lichaa and then linked with the actual halfback Moses Mbye to post the first points of the Bulldog’s season.

The play starts with a play the ball right under the black dot. As we pick it up in this first image Lichaa is about to pick up the ball and head left. The defence could be forgiven for thinking he’s heading for Williams and Tolman, either of whom could be set to charge at the line. Indeed we can see Martin Taupau (next to the post) and Nathan Green already facing towards that Bulldogs left side.

However we can also see the 106-kilogram halfback Graham beginning to head back in the other direction. As the play unfolds Lichaa will actually dash left but then spin around and pass the ball back to Graham.

Graham has now received the pass from Lichaa after a nifty pirouette from the young dummy half. He heads across field while Martin Taupau tries to re-direct his forward motion. Here was can already see the value of Graham as a dual threat.

From here Graham can either hit Josh Jackson with a short pass or instead pass to Mbye who has, along with Josh Reynolds, followed him across the park. It is essential though that Graham gets his timing right and passes the ball before he runs behind Jackson or any resulting try could well be called back for an obstruction.

We can see here that Graham has indeed dropped the ball back to Mbye who is immediately shifting it further on to Reynolds. Left centre Steve Matai has been drawn in by the decoy run from Chase Stanley after Mbye held it just long enough. Meanwhile, Jorge Taufua is now isolated out on his wing. Things are about to get very complicated for Jorge.

With two on one, Taufua is now completely exposed. Reynolds can either attack the line himself or, as he did in this case, pass it off to Sam Perrett to ease into the corner

It’s an excellent play design but the execution is even more impressive for a team 11 minutes into their season and it relies in large part on Graham.

He has to first read the play and then secondly make the correct decision as to when to pass to Mbye. Having a big man with that ability to read the game and deliver the right pass opens up a lot of options inside the opposition 20-metre line.

First try scorer tip: Curtis Rona
A heavy favourite with the bookies, Rona has scored 25 tries in 26 appearances for the Bulldogs. He is an excellent finisher (though which winger isn’t these days) and gets plenty of opportunities outside Josh Morris.

Prediction: Bulldogs
While both teams are already battling injuries and the Panthers are the home team, I’m tipping the Bulldogs on the basis of the excellent start from their forward pack in Round 1.

I argued in my season preview that the Bulldogs pack was the best in the competition and that the team’s success would flow from whether their halves were up to the task

On the evidence of the first week, Mbye and Reynolds, and the other half Graham, are well and truly up to the task and that is going to make life very difficult for the Panthers.

Finally, fatigue may also be a concern with the Bulldogs enjoying a leisurely six-day turnaround from a night game while the Panthers had only five days to recover from an afternoon game that was played in typical Canberra punishing heat.

While I generally have very little time for complaints about the schedule, making a team back up after five days from an afternoon game that had every chance to be played in very hot conditions is patently silly and honestly seems like putting the players at risk.

Shoe-in of the week
When the Panthers backing up from a hot weather game is raised during the broadcast at least one nincompoop will make a terrible attempt at a joke about how cold Canberra is.

The Crowd Says:

2016-03-10T02:51:25+00:00

rayzaau

Roar Rookie


The Doggies were maddening in their inconsistency last year, and Round 2 bouncebacks are notoriously common, but Canterbury surely cant lose tonight can they?

AUTHOR

2016-03-10T02:05:29+00:00

Lachlan Bickley

Roar Guru


Klemmer's minutes were actually all over the place last year, with two sub-40 games in the final three, but the overall trend was definitely upwards. I definitely thought Eastwood was struggling, perhaps not 10 minutes in but certainly 20-25. I hadn't noticed the practice of bringing him off before the props before though. Interestingly its something the Cowboys do with Taumalolo, another guy who wears 13 but is really a prop. Agree they need to find a way to include Lane but also that he doesn't make sense in the middle unit rotation. Most of the times I've seen him play well its been on the right edge which is Jackson's spot normally. Perhaps they explore some units where Jackson moves into the middle and Lane plays outside him for a while

2016-03-10T02:04:22+00:00

Casper

Guest


Good sides will find out Williams, they have for a few seasons. Jackson does some of his share of tackling. Interesting to see how Garvey goes, lichaa gave away stupid penalties last week and that's a weakness in his game at this stage of his career. Their backline is still questionable, particularly with whichever twin is missing. Not sure Blake and Hiku will be a litmus test, good to see Reynolds get back to footy form and forget the niggle. Thought Mybe was a better goal kicker than he showed last week, those longer kicks win close matches.

2016-03-10T01:46:38+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Don't worry about it mate - still a very good analysis and interesting to see the lineups laid out that way. Right half and left half hurts a bit - they'll always be halfback and five-eighth to me. I love the anochronistic terminology of fullback, halfback, three quarters and a five-eighth.

2016-03-10T01:34:56+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Eastwood is in the prop rotation with 13 on his back. I don't think he looked particularly fatigued after 10...but even if he did the Dogs have got enough big minute men in their pack to cover. Eastwood is regularly benched before Graham and Tolman. Klemmer started last year only playing 35-40 mins but was up around 50 by the end of the season. Williams has been playing 80 minutes for years. Being 10kg lighter will only assist. The concern for mine is how does Shaun Lane fit into the picture? He's too good to leave out for long but not a middle third player at the moment. With 80 minute second rowers there's only a spot on the bench as injury cover. I think Des may be stoking his competitive fires by benching him early. Making sure its not too much too soon.

AUTHOR

2016-03-10T01:34:00+00:00

Lachlan Bickley

Roar Guru


Reynolds and Mbye are definitely right and left respectively so I I got that part correct. The second rowers is also correct. I just entered the outside backs into my template backwards. . Annoyed at myself for that - will triple check it next week.

2016-03-10T01:24:16+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Reynolds played mostly right and Mbye left last week although they did drift a little.

AUTHOR

2016-03-10T01:22:19+00:00

Lachlan Bickley

Roar Guru


Agree on Eastwood struggling early, indeed he was replaced before either Tolman or Graham which says a lot. Led to the great sight of a Bulldogs play at the line with two props (Kasiano and Graham) lined up to Lichaa's right and another (Tolman) lined up on his left. Try defending that from five metres out

2016-03-10T01:19:07+00:00

Casper

Guest


While I think the doggies might have the wood on Penrith, Manly never asked many questions of the bulldog pack last week. Sometimes a win papers over cracks, I thought Eastwood looked particularly fatigued after 10 minutes and the fact that Williams played 80 minutes indicates that Manly never had the talent or nouse to take advantage.

2016-03-10T00:53:52+00:00

Bearfax

Guest


Dessie has this Canterbury side looking ominous. Early days but I cant see the Panthers getting within 20 of this Bulldog side.

AUTHOR

2016-03-10T00:43:49+00:00

Lachlan Bickley

Roar Guru


Thanks Johny. I'm really happy with how well this series is being received. Lichaa only out for a month is great news. As I said in my season preview I really think a lot of people are underrating him after he was overshadowed by Ennis's terrific season at the Sharks

2016-03-10T00:35:19+00:00

JOHNY BULLDOG

Roar Rookie


Pheeeew Lichaa only out for a month.....looking forward to seeing how Garvey goes tonight....reckon he'll kill it!

2016-03-10T00:23:52+00:00

JOHNY BULLDOG

Roar Rookie


Great stuff Lachlan,really enjoying your articles mate-very analytical & informative-cheers.

2016-03-09T23:06:09+00:00

Ron Swanson

Roar Guru


I think Taylor can cover in the centres & at hooker. That may assist in his selection off the bench. Just a thought. I'm interested to see how Peachey goes, he has great pace and could be a factor.

AUTHOR

2016-03-09T22:28:44+00:00

Lachlan Bickley

Roar Guru


You're absolutely correct. I do have those backwards. Kind of undermines the whole point of listing sides doesn't it...

2016-03-09T22:17:07+00:00

The eye

Guest


Have you got your lefts and rights mixed up in the backs Lachlan ? I've only seen Mansour play on the left..and ditto for Josh and Rona..I could be dreaming,though.. Expect the Panthers to make some changes,be surprised if Taylor and Yeo dont change places..if Whare plays the scales get re-balanced to win this game..should be a great spectacle if they can back up..

2016-03-09T22:06:35+00:00

TipBetPro_NRL

Roar Rookie


Great write up. Agree schedule is crazy but hoping its early enough in the season to not be a major factor. Panthers are definitely underdogs but the odds are quite generous so think there worth a flutter.

2016-03-09T20:53:55+00:00

Jimbo Jones

Guest


Shouls that have been Nine-compoop? Great preview and looking forward to it!

2016-03-09T20:52:00+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Nice breakdown of the try Lachlan. It really was perfectly executed by all involved. One of the marks of how good it was is that pretty much everyone involved was untouched by the defence. That's how little chance Manly had of stopping the play. I really feel for the Panthers. The draw is rubbish from a seeding point of view and these turnarounds at this time of year is very rough on the players.

2016-03-09T20:48:19+00:00

MAX

Guest


Nicely, nicely Lachlan. The team spirit shown by the Bulldogs was a harbinger of good times ahead.

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