Manly youngster caught driving with blood alcohol level of 0.176, double the speed limit

Knight facing a 4 game ban. What a joke.

eagleJack – You speak with a forked tongue again. Please provide the reference from this thread where I assert that “ALL” speeding drivers who are drunk are on drugs. Please also show the direct reference where I say that drunk drivers “ALWAYS” travel 10 -15 kms below the speed limit. The words used are “sounds like another substance was involved” and “tend to drive 10 -15 kms below the limit” Is misquoting and belittling the only way you can rule out the possibility of drug use in this scenario?

eagleJack - You speak with a forked tongue again. Please provide the reference from this thread where I assert that "ALL" speeding drivers who are drunk are on drugs. Please also show the direct reference where I say that drunk drivers "ALWAYS" travel 10 -15 kms below the speed limit. The words used are "sounds like another substance was involved" and "tend to drive 10 -15 kms below the limit" Is misquoting and belittling the only way you can rule out the possibility of drug use in this scenario?

Your entire premise is based around the fact that speeding drivers are always on drugs. That booze is only one factor. Because drunk drivers always travel 10-15kms below the speed limit. Huge, incorrect assumptions. And then to hammer home your very flimsy point, you then produced articles on other sportsmen doing drugs. Therefore, Liam must have been on drugs. Using Occams Razor and all. Lol. Liam was a very drunken goose who will not only answer to the NRL and the Manly club but also to one of our very fine courts. Speculating whether drugs were also involved is an exercise in futility. And to say they were without a shadow of a doubt based on some unrelated incidents and some nightclub you worked in in the 80s, is negligent at best.

You seemed to have temporarily forgotten the stories surrounding drugs and sportsmen eJ, so a gentle reminder was in order. There's the combination of my own experiences through years of work in Sydney's largest nightclub in the 1980's where the use of stimulants was rampant, and from my Mother who specialised in helping recovering addicts. I then utilised Occam's Razor to arrive at my assessment. Are you are so blind to question what/where Liam was going/doing at 1am on a Tuesday morning totally plastered, and traveling at a phenomenal speed on his 40km drive towards the city from his home in Narrabeen whilst he was putting other peoples lives at risk? What do you want to believe? That he was at home, drinking alone like there was no tomorrow, and he suddenly had the urge for a feed at Harry's Cafe De Wheels, and just couldn't wait to get there? Did the police test for drugs? If not, why not? If so, then they've failed to do their job adequately to help safeguard both the community and the individual. I hope his family or loved ones are reading my posts, and my words are enough to have them confront him directly regarding this issue before any lasting damage is done. I hope I'm wrong, that alcohol wasn't the lone factor - but I strongly doubt it.

We all know the stories surrounding sportsmen and drugs. But how that has anything to do with this is beyond me. Or that producing articles showing that players have indulged in drugs in the past, is proof that Liam has on this ocassion. It's akin to saying anyone with the first name Ivan, is a serial killer. Cause you know I can produce an article proving that an Ivan once went on a killing rampage.

I believe the cops are appealing that sentence. I hope they convince the judge that he/she got it wrong.

Yeh..........it's silly of me EJ to associate prescription medicine misuse or illegal drug use with anyone involved with the NRL or the MWRLFC in particular. http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/south-sydney-rabbitohs/aaron-gray-and-dylan-walkers-families-told-it-was-5050-after-drug-overdose-20150922-gjsri6.html They're just random one-off events mate - whatever was I thinking.

Safe to say you are on your own with this one. Producing an unrelated article about sportsmen mixing stillnox with alcohol/energy drinks is irrefutable evidence that Liam was on drugs that night. How silly of me.

I didn't say 100% of cases EJ. There are just too many red flags in this one. Remember, sportsmen are absolute angels when it comes to mixing alcohol and drugs to chase a high http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-18/stilnox-use-widespread-in-rugby-league-says-club-doctor/5329366

Nobody is denying that drugs and alcohol combined aren't at times the reason for car accidents. But you are saying that in 100% of incidents where a person is caught in circumstances such as Liam found himself in, then drugs are also involved. Otherwise they'd be driving under the speed limit. Which is wrong. I don't need to find stats to back that up.

EJ - show me the stats........any stats, where people who are 3 - 4 times over the limit and have been done for driving at close to double the speed limit have been tested for drugs and the results have come back negative.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3125880/ Worth a read northerner & EJ

There are also thousands, probably millions, of incidents globally, where alcohol and high speed combined were to blame for car accidents. Alcohol has a different effect on different people. To make a sweeping generalisation that drunk drivers only ever drive 10-15kms below the speed limit is wrong. And therefore drugs must have been involved is irresponsible on your behalf.

http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/how-you-can-help/how-to-spot-a-drunk-driver.html EJ - There are hundreds of sites online that back my claim. Have you done any research into the combined effects of alcohol and drugs?

I think we'll let the courts decide in the first instance, and then, the NRL can weigh in afterwards with whatever penalties it chooses. With Pearce, there were no legal issues so it was simply up to the club and the League to dish out the punishment.

Booze, especially in excess, affects people in different ways. Some people get silly and maudlin, some get horny, some get sleepy and some get mean and aggressive. You'd better believe the mean and aggressive ones will be the ones driver way over the speed limit and fighting with cops when they get pulled over.

"People who are drunk tend to drive 10 to 15 kms below the speed limit – not at close to double the speed limit" Did you really just write that? I'm guessing you have done zero research on this matter.

You don't have to hope...you usually are.

Sweet.............I also must of had a few liney lines with those 17 shots, prior to deciding to go out on a Tuesday night at 1am and driving at 67km over the speed limit. Now................where's the Aeroguard?