Sydney vs Hawthorn: Thursday Night Forecast

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Hawthorn and Sydney have had a fascinating recent history, and have developed a most compelling rivalry.

The Hawks finished on top of the ladder in 2012, but lost the grand final to the Swans. Sydney finished on top of the ladder in 2014, but lost the grand final to Hawthorn. Both flags went to the underdog on the day.

Sydney took a fringe Hawk in Josh Kennedy and converted him to the most dominant pure inside midfielder in the game, arguably changing the prototype for that style of player to the clearance beasts we see in there today.

The Swans also stole the highest profile player of the century – if we’re counting equal parts celebrity and footballer – away from Hawthorn, when they orchestrated the Buddy Franklin coup, signing him to a decade-long, multi-million dollar contract.

Even their recent results have been unusual with the travelling visitor to the fore – in their last three clashes, the Swans have won two close games at the MCG, while Hawthorn romped in by 89 points up at ANZ Stadium around this time last year.

In general terms, Sydney is seen as an inside, contested, clearance team, while the Hawks are seen as an outside, slick-moving unit, particularly in light of their much publicised low contested possession ranking.

Not many would realise that the Swans actually average more possessions per game than the Hawks, with the difference basically made up of handballs.

Given their contested possession differential, this makes sense, as there are many numbers around the ball at stoppages, and the Swans like to use handball to clear their way out to a free man, but each possession in the chain tends to be a contested one.

Sydney relies on six pure midfielders to do almost all of the heavy lifting – Daniel Hannebery (averaging 31 disposals per game), Josh Kennedy (29.5), Tom Mitchell (28), Luke Parker (27), Jake Lloyd (23) and Kieren Jack (23).

These players have missed one game between them this year, and have also played a lot of football together. This continuity serves them well, and they know each other’s games inside and out.

On the other hand Hawthorn has Sam Mitchell (30 disposals per game) and Jordan Lewis (27) as the major ball-winners, followed by a big drop in numbers to Isaac Smith (22) and Shaun Burgoyne (18). Billy Hartung (20) has been dropped, while Liam Shiels (17 – well down on output compared to the last two years) and Will Langford (18) are injured. Brad Hill (15.5) has basically been a non-entity.

This ostensibly robs the Hawks of ball-winning and ball-carrying depth through the midfield, but we know how they like to set up through half-back, using Grant Birchall (22 disposals), Josh Gibson (21), and the freshly returned Luke Hodge (23.5).

Jarrad McVeigh (20) has been the process architect for the Swans in this department, complementing Dane Rampe’s stellar season and Callum Mills’ importance in his first year.

There’s less than a goal the difference between the sides in attack, and with the Swans having played more wet weather footy, we can say the difference in potency is negligible, but how they get there is starkly different.

Franklin, with 53 goals, is the dominant Swan when it comes to hitting the scoreboard. Isaac Heeney (17 goals) and Kurt Tippett (15) are next in line, and neither are there tonight. After that, you get resting mid Luke Parker (13), along with small forwards Ben McGlynn (13), Tom Papley (13) and George Hewett (12). It’s not imposing.

Hawthorn, as we have come to expect, has a much more even battle going on for their leading goal-kicker award. Jack Gunston has 36, Luke Breust 33, Cyril Rioli 29, Paul Puopolo 27 and surprise packet James Sicily 23. It’s hard to imagine stopping them all, and no team can. Minimise the impact of as many as possible, is all you can hope for.

Sydney’s defence has been supreme as the season has gone on, and their pressure around the ball carrier against Geelong last week was the best that any team has produced this season. If they can replicate that against this week, Hawthorn won’t be able to handle it either.

Tom Mitchell should get the task of shutting down Sam Mitchell, which he’s done successfully in the past, and from there the Swans should be able to control the game. It may be the Hawks that play counter-attack or slingshot footy, to try and expose the Sydney defence one-on-one.

Hawthorn have won six matches in a row, and eight of their last nine thanks to the easiest possible draw, which has duped people into thinking that they’re ‘back’. The Hawks haven’t defeated one of the current top seven teams since Round 5 when beating Adelaide in Melbourne, and have lost to GWS and Sydney since then, the only times they’ve played a legitimate rival (an injury-riddled North in freefall doesn’t count).

Hawthorn will generate scoring chances, and their experience will keep them in the game, so the Sydney small forwards will need to work hard to manufacture and then maximise their opportunities, to ensure the Swans score is a winning one.

Sydney are a better team than Hawthorn this year, and have played the much better football as a whole. The Hawks are fighting valiantly, but not playing with anywhere near the fluency we have become accustomed to over the previous four or five years. They haven’t been fully exposed yet, but the day is coming.

Sydney to win by 22 points, Daniel Hannebery to have 35+ touches in a best on ground display, and the Hawks to not see the top of the ladder again this season.

That’s my Thursday night forecast. What’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2016-07-16T01:03:41+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Think you've got it around the wrong way Cam. You are under estimating the Hawks big time and overrating Geelong severely!

2016-07-15T04:11:08+00:00

Richard

Guest


I am ..I`m ecstatic...I`m a HAWKS FAN. .Everyone was talking up the swans ,so I did too. .It worked,.

2016-07-15T01:05:20+00:00

Terry

Guest


Swannies :(

2016-07-14T23:48:53+00:00

Richard

Guest


Cameron hope you came away from last lasts game without incident.. I trust you didn't inhale one of those smarties instead of eating it.... hehe

2016-07-14T20:32:24+00:00

Jones

Guest


Go Hawks. I hope your feeling the opposite to what I'm feeling right now and it's pretty damm high!

2016-07-14T20:31:35+00:00

Jones

Guest


Hope your feeling the opposite to what I'm feeling right now and it's pretty damm high!

2016-07-14T14:37:14+00:00

REg

Guest


I got sick of channel 7 going on about ladder changes during the game. When I last checked its when the actual game ended not that it so called changed 6 times during the game, please!

2016-07-14T13:55:49+00:00

Andre

Guest


Anything to say about the midfield dominance and the equal 38 clearances?

2016-07-14T13:32:58+00:00

Spudweiser

Guest


Cameron, still think Hawthorn "won't" win as you keep telling us?

2016-07-14T13:25:59+00:00

Luke

Guest


Hawthorn reiterating once more why they are the best team the game has ever seen.

2016-07-14T12:54:34+00:00

Dan

Guest


Anon, if the Swans and WCE lost the GF because of home ground advantage then they have no right being in the GF. You have not made a reasonable argument why there is, in you mind, an asterix. Therefore it is a pointless argument.

2016-07-14T12:10:18+00:00

Jones

Guest


No chance, I hope your feeling it right now!

2016-07-14T09:00:18+00:00

Swannies

Guest


Swans set to close chapter on Hawks dynasty. It's going to be an epic Swans Geelong grand final in 2016! Hawks to go down fighting in the PF. Swans will be the new powerhouse of the afl.

2016-07-14T08:22:46+00:00

anon

Guest


"It amazes me how short our memories are. In both ’14 and ’15 both Swans and WCE went in to the GF as overwhelming favourites. " Hawthorn was favourite last year. Sydney was favourite in 2014, which was absurd even though they had a 20 goal win in the prelim against an ordinary North Melbourne that had no business being in a prelim. Hawthorn has an asterisk against 2014 and 15 because they played the biggest game of the year on their home ground despite not earning home ground advantage. Their opponents in both years finished above them on the ladder.

2016-07-14T08:10:07+00:00

Olivia Watts

Roar Guru


Not Cam........ Sorry Ryan! Showing my slipping memory there

2016-07-14T08:08:29+00:00

Olivia Watts

Roar Guru


And Sydney to win but (a) not by much and (b) only if they kick straight. Both teams at 100% efficiency would see a Sydney win but, given that is an unattainable standard, the team which makes the fewer mistakes will prevail.

2016-07-14T07:51:55+00:00

Olivia Watts

Roar Guru


Cam, a completely off topic, left field question. Tom Mitchell allegedly wishes to leave Sydney and his chosen destination is said to be Hawthorn, where he would be excellent alongside the ageing Sam Mitchell and Cyril Rioli.. Sydney has expressed strong interest in young North forward Mason Wood and he would be an excellent fit as a Jeremy Cameron/Jack Gunston mid size forward, freeing Heeney to become a powerful two way mid. Imagining a three way deal, whom do you think Hawthorn might be willing to offer as trade that North might find interest in? This triangle trade could, if done right, substantially benefit all three Clubs for 2017. It would need to be an impressive player or players for North to have interest - would they part with an Isaac Smith or Luke Breust?

2016-07-14T07:39:56+00:00

justinr

Guest


I said here yesterday that the Hawks were trolling their own fans. By golly they are doing a good job.

2016-07-14T06:57:33+00:00

Birdman

Guest


With respect, I can't see how you can compare those two performances, Cam. Geelong were raging favourites and won comfortably as expected while Hawks were massive underdogs and won in a canter. The 2014 flag was one for the ages, the other was a bit, meh!

2016-07-14T05:58:31+00:00

Dan

Guest


I agree totally with Ryan. I think Swans should win and I think they will but I have this crazy feeling about the Hawks that says they may just lift for this and surprise us all. I do think if the Hawks can be in front at 3/4 time by 2 to 3 goals they should win from there. Cam, if the Hawks win tonight will that change your mind about the Hawks being no chance of winning it this year?

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