Roar Forum: What changes should the Wallabies make for Argentina?

We need McPooper. McMahon would be an awesome addition

My first instinct is to say that Cheika won't change a winning team. The man is too arrogant/self-confident/pig-headed/enigmatic (misusing enigmatic is the 'strayan thing to do) to do that. However after his win against the AB's last year in Sydney he did change the winning Pooper combination. I'm pretty sure he won't change the backline (barring injuries), no matter what anybody else thinks. He may tinker with the forwards, bringing Fardy back into the reserves or, god forbid, Skelton.

Hansen and all the retired All Blacks were saying that it would be bad if the AB's thrashed the WB's. I think that mentally the AB's took it easy on them and for some reason it is not something they do with the Pumas or the Pacific teams. I think the Wallabies will win in Perth though. The Pumas are flying half way around the world, literally, after having flown around the world already. They've had two hard games against the Boks, shot their wad against the AB's and got a hiding for their efforts. They won't have the mental fortitude to play like that against the WB's and lack the depth in the reserves to freshen their team on the road. WB's have just been pottering around Australasia. Hence WB's by 10.

Drop Mumm and bring Lopeti Timani into number eight and put Pocock and Hooper at 6 & 7. We need a big ball runner to bend the line v the Pumas!!!!

as usual you present fallacious logic, this time false continuim, though you do rely on mentioning Fekitoa, who ran over the top of Kuridrani repeatedly when they met this year.. hang onto Kuridrani TWAS,

Disagree T man, the score is not always a true indicator, every game the ABs play they are improving, the Pumas showed how good they are even after getting a thrashing ,BUT if that was the WBs it would have blown out to 60-70 so Lara, you are spot on ,and it will show in the next few weeks, what you just saw was the WBs big wining streak , but it's over now

I would put your horse on that not so ridiculous claim , he's just stating the obvious unlike most of you on this site, the denial still persists, Pumas forwards will smash the stuffing out of the WBs, WBs are way to soft, , sorry JJ, didn't mean to bring you back to reality,

On your logic Fekitoa shouldn't have been chosen. Almost identical attacking stats for the year.

So we drop half the team then? Because the team in total managed 5 tries and 1 try assist in those 2 games. Kuridrani only played in one of them btw. Aus had 1 try assist and 2 clean breaks for that match. Do we drop the 7 backline players that couldn't break the line? I support a player "so obviously out of form" because he is playing on the end of backlines which have offered zero in attack inside of him. How can you blame a player for doing nothing when the players inside of him did nothing either? 13 isn't necessarily the chief backline attack player. Never was with Smith there for the All Blacks for example. Smith performed a role. Much like Kuridrani does.

Where are those stats you quote on defense TWAS? They are at odds with those on testrugby.com. Also you obviously value a player who had NO tries, NO try assists or NO line breaks in those 2 Bled games, but he did manage to give away a penalty and lost possession 3 times. Outside a try in the first round of SR this year, he could manage only 1 further try in the last round, including games against the lowly Reds, Force, Sunwolves, etc... How can you support a player so obviously out of form for the position of the WBs chief backline attack player. His defense you say?? He sure didn't stop the ABs from running through us. Keep banging on about Kuridrani TWAS. You're on a winner there.

..er..and what's his try tally this year ?? In any game??? Can't find the line. You don't value attack?

Only a couple of hours shorter. The problem is on the way home the Wallabies fly 24 hours back to Sydney for a week, the Auckland test is just a week after that.

Wouldn't London be an easier trip from SA than Argentina?

I believe that Australia does not need to make changes to Perth. Give confidence to those who obtained the victory over the Boks would be a success. AUSTRALIA require changes to arrive as serious candidates for Japan RWC . The impact that produced lose against England three games , and the fact that they met twice in eight days to the best streak of The All Blacks, removed perspective to the fact that Australia is superior to Pumas, - smashed them at RWC semifinal year ago - and beat the Boks with no risk two days ago.. Perhaps what it is a red light is the luck of signs to shorten the difference with the best All Blacks, considering they do everything well within the field of play, but better in the leadership of thos at NZRU that has a cohesive impact at school level, regional uniom , SR franchises and national teams at all level. But other teams also made decisiones to improve. The Pumas game plan is good but still need balance and time to build the necessary depth according to the goals they set.. When they do have it... will be serious contendents to the All Blacks. Boks recently began its revolution but given its structure and depth, for RWC Japan will be candidates,. If their fans have patience and their leaders ( rugby and political) are convinced enough to lead the new game plan beyond the national team, to regional union and SR franchises, I do not believe that the Wallabies players or coaches are responsible for today results, wich are not as bad as they look ..wait till the end of Rugby Championship. Perhaps it is at ARU where changes/decisions are need it ,

Skelton at 8 would probably give the Wallabies a bit more value out of him - for 20 minutes. The 9 won't get to him at 8 before the flankers, because he's too slow to get going. I've seen a bit of his younger bigger brother Cameron at Counties and he looks a lot more dynamic around the field than Will. The Counties and Chiefs trainers will have Cameron's conditioning improve out of sight by Super Rugby 2017..

Absolute truth here. As dwyer says run straight every time. Basic stuff done very well beats flamboyant trick shots behind the gain line.

The Pumas blew away a lead of over 10 points in the Nelspruit test by making dumb decisions and lack of fitness.

'With roadtrips to South Africa and Argentina to come, another win on home soil is absolutely vital.' The Arg game is in London a brutal road schedule that the ARU agreed too.

The single greatest thing that the wallabies, and every other team in the world, could do to improve, and the thing that sets new zealand apart is this; When in structured play the first thing every single player in new zealand does is to straighten up. They get the ball and straighten up then they pass, take contact, offload or whatever, after first having ensured the men outside have space. Watch Coles, Crotty or Read beating wingers in the tram lines in "no space" at all as a result of every player before them in the move straightening and turning 1m of space into 5m. Even the "dumb" props straighten beautifully EVERY time they get the ball, every time. In contrast go to the tape of the wallabies and bok. Every man on both teams gets the pass on a drift ad continues with that drift until they are running in the outside players channel, drawing noone, beating noone, creating space for noone, crowding any offload opportunity. In broken field they run as they like, but in structured play they straighten first every single time. This is where they get quick ball and space into which they can offload, that bis not possible with even a hint of cross field running. I submit that THIS is the secret to it all and the reason why in almost every all black training clip i have ever seen they are doing the "simple" hands and exaggerating this straightening every time they catch a ball, Wallabies run across, the whole team do it, and this is a cardinal sin,

JJ, whilst I don't agree we'll beat the Pumas with ease, I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your comments. The vitriol against their own team is just breathtaking.