NRL referee admits square-up decisions are a thing

By Matt Cleary / Expert

Remember the knock-back? It was a rule in rugby league once.

Actually it’s still a rule in rugby league. It’s just that it seems it’s adjudicated more like the touch footy rule – drop the ball, give it to the other mob.

And now one NRL referee – who spoke with the journo on condition of anonymity – confirms the view that the defensive side most often receives benefit of the doubt on 50/50 calls.

“There is definitely a shift to call knock-on quicker than knock-back,” says our whistle-man.

“But what your decision is can also depend of game factors: field position; time; score; even penalty count.”

Seems whether the referee believes the ball has travelled forward or not is not the only factor.

In 50-50 calls, how a decision might affect the result is also given weight. And not just for knock-ons.

“Say it’s 10-all inside the last five minutes and a team is attacking the line, and there’s a 50/50 call on a dropped ball,” says our ref. “The ref will err on the side of knock-on so that the attacking team doesn’t perhaps score after benefiting from a 50/50 call.

“The ref knows that the other team have to go a hundred metres which means there’s less risk of the call affecting the game.”

So there you go.

The same, according to our ref, applies to strip penalties or knock-ons in the tackle.

“Say there’s a 5-nil penalty count in favour of Team A and they’re leading by 20. And Team B is attacking but drops the ball in a tackle. Might be a knock-on, might be a strip.

“The ref will more than likely blow a penalty for a strip because consequences for the match are less. It also balances the penalties up a bit.”

So knock us all down with an XL Tontine but the square-up penalty is really a thing?

“Of course it is! Media pressure would dictate that a 5-nil penalty count is not an ‘acceptable’ penalty count. ‘How can one team be five times as bad?’ Coaches say the same thing.

“So the referee, faced with a 50-50 call on a dropped ball in a tackle, will rule a strip and make the count 4-1. Sounds a lot better.

“And there’s less potential consequence to the result given Team A is so far ahead of Team B.”

Ask NRL refs boss Tony Archer if he acknowledged that referees err on the side of knock-ons over knock-backs, and he says that “referees simply determine the direction the dropped ball travels.”

Does he acknowledge that referees garner less critique for defaulting to knock-on when there’s a dropped ball in dispute?

“There are judgement calls that, regardless of the outcome, people have an opinion on. So I don’t think it increases or decreases the level of critique.”

In their post-match post-mortem, referees are marked on every one of the approximately four hundred decisions they make in a match.

From blowing time-on to pointing to the spot, to getting ‘em bloody onside, every decision is reviewed and scored.

And with all the angles from bunker vision, even 50-50 calls can be ruled one way or the other.
And pressure’s on to get the “big” ones right.

So where does an incorrect knock-on call rank in the schema? What’s the demerit points for calling knock-on when it wasn’t?

“It depends on what happens after you make the call,” says the ref. “Say Penrith knock-on but bunker vision proves that it should’ve been a knock-back or a penalty for a strip.

“If next set Parramatta scores a try, then that decision becomes a major mark-down in your review.

“If Parra don’t score and nothing comes out of that set, the decision will still be marked wrong – but it won’t have major focus put on it.”

Major focus? Doesn’t come much bigger than the grand final.

And if you tune into talkback, tool about on Twitter, delve into the dungeons of those internet fan forums, there’s a consistent theme – what if a bad decision happens in a grand final?

Well, the answer’s with us. One happened in 2015.

It was Ben Hunt’s “knock-on” in extra time in the grand final. It wasn’t one.

And one day Zapruder film will surface from Channel Nine’s archives that will show it.

‘Ben Hunt knocked-back in the grand final? What? Are you on dangerous drugs?’

Hear us out. And do two things.

Firstly, read the rule in “Rugby League Laws of the Game 2013 Edition” which states that a knock-on “means to knock the ball towards the opponents’ dead ball line with hand or arm, while playing at the ball”.

Hold in mind the word “towards”.

Secondly, marry what you’ve just read with what you see on YouTube of Hunt’s fumble. Examine the footage as minutely as you can.

Press play-pause really quickly. Freeze frame it. Get it down to single, pixellated frames.

And you’ll note that Hunt’s feet are not parallel to his try-line. His left foot is closer to the try-line than his right. That means his chest is not parallel with the try-line but open, skewed perhaps ten degrees.

Then freeze it each time the ball: hits his chest, shoots through his arms, bounces out sideways, lands next to his back foot, the one that was behind his front foot.

And you will have seen this: a knock-back.

For it to be a knock-on Hunt would have to propel the ball towards the Cowboys’ dead ball line.

That didn’t happen.

It was a knock-back.

“It was a knock-on,” says Archer.

Not according to the rules, Arch.

Yet according to every referee in the game – and every player, fan, commentator, journo, administrator, and dear sweet Ben Hunt – it was a knock-on.

“Any referee in any grade would have called that a knock-on,” says our ref. “Hunt is facing his opponents’ goal-line. The ball goes straight to ground in front of him.

“Yes, the ball may even have travelled slightly backwards.

But that decision, and any similar ones, you would call knock-on. You would be brave to say knock-back for it to probably be proved wrong.”

Even though technically it probably was, letter of the law, a knock-back?

“I know you can be facing forward and the ball goes backwards, which should mean play on.

“And I do agree we need to look at getting back to erring on the side of advantage to the attacking team. That’s written in the rule book.”

“But as I said, it would be a very brave call. You’d be greatly scrutinised and criticised over it.”

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2016-09-18T04:08:05+00:00

Matt Cleary

Expert


Hello mate. Journo I know knows a ref, tipped me onto him. We swapped emails. Had a conversation thus.

2016-09-17T20:02:54+00:00

3_Hats SSTID 2014

Roar Rookie


I am not surprised at all What is surprising is that many readers on this site were oblivious to this happening. It has been happening for years, even in the Juniors. When I referred I always did the match on its merit, I wasn't worried about the counts. Team Managers, if their club was behind in the penalty count they used to throw the counts at you at half time, "My Boys are behind 6 to 2 in the count" My reply was, tell them to get on-side then, or tell them to stop stripping the ball out, and so on. Some refs I knew even walked up and asked what was the count, I never did! If anyone on here thinks that square ups are equal, think again! They never are In the Rabbitohs Vs Broncos games at Suncorp earlier this year the Broncos were in front of the Penalty Count by 9 to 3, 58% possession Souths made an extra 100 tackles. and the game was gone. In the last 7 minutes, Maxwell got the count back to 9 to 8. too little too late. the score blew out because they were stuffed by all the defence and back to back penalties.

2016-09-17T02:43:33+00:00

Brian

Guest


Mate, I don't watch union and believe that the refereeing over there has issues, but at least you know that a side infringing will be punished accordingly and not rewarded later in the game with square ups that snowball momentum against a tiring side. The Roosters perfected this in 2013 by flat out giving away penalties defending their line. I'm a diehard league supporter, but the quality of refereeing has decayed to the point where I'm beginning to lose interest in the game. I'd like to say it started with the Storm and the wrestle, but they, and the Roosters, just exploited incompetence so good on them.

2016-09-17T01:27:22+00:00

bexdog

Guest


Is the journo also anonymous? Who was this ref talking to and how did the interview come about?

2016-09-17T00:17:57+00:00

Norad

Guest


If this insane logic that has infected the NRL is now the rule then every field goal attempt should be ruled a knock on.

2016-09-17T00:09:20+00:00

Mephisto

Guest


How about the stripping the ball rule - if a team is in front and loses the ball its loose carry - if they are behind a distance its stripping the ball - talk about a rule that the refs can decide games on. Masters said this about one high profile ref "X was a low-penalty-count ref whose few blasts of the whistle were often directed at teams threatening to run away with the match. The result was a low-stoppage, high-energy, end-to-end game that was often not decided until the final minutes."

2016-09-16T23:51:05+00:00

Sam Backhoe

Guest


I would like someone from the NRL to answer this question. What was the main issue that was to be addressed by the introduction of the 2 referee system? Unless my memory is shot, I recall there being a clear objective to clean up the ruck by having one referee responsible for that area with the other one policing the 10 metres. In every tackle in every game of every week, both referees are focused on the ruck. As seen last night,when the game is on the line you have a referee standing on the ten, watching the ruck, with a handful of players a clear metre or more in front of him. You can't tell me that this is more effective than the one ref system in the NSW cup. The only difference there is that you have half as many dim wits barking instructions at the players. *sigh*

2016-09-16T23:07:38+00:00

AlanKC

Guest


Ever since "Hollywood" got rolled refs have played it safe.

2016-09-16T22:49:28+00:00

Mongo

Guest


Are you fair dinkum about this. The top refs have been evening up games (esp free to air TV games) for entertainment purposes for years - how do you think they get the big games despite making many errors. The big H was an expert and identified by Masters and Warren Ryan. I hope the Betting task force looks at this...

2016-09-16T21:42:24+00:00

Craig

Guest


"square-up decisions are a thing" And in breaking news: Bears shit in the woods.

2016-09-16T21:01:30+00:00

soapit

Guest


compared to rugby refs who decide they don't wont talk to a captain because they didn't like him in previous matches

2016-09-16T13:08:28+00:00

Ian

Guest


I think its pretty much always been the case in league that a dropped ball is a knock on unless it is clearly and well and truly backwards. In union its almost the other way, only a knock on if clearly forward.

2016-09-16T12:09:49+00:00

Mark

Guest


Knock on by Cows called a knock on by Broncs. Knock back by Boyd called a knock on by refs. Who says match fixing is about the players. The refs are the ones deciding games every week.

2016-09-16T10:54:30+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


What is a 'knock back'? Because its never interpreted as such even when its a blatant 'knock back' its always a 'knock on'. The rules are not interpreted correctly and the game is suffering because of it. Especially the off loads that are allowed off the ground and whichever way a player off loads, RL will end up like RU the way things are going. And don't talk to me about players 'walking off the mark', which is a rule that is never ever interpreted and its out of control.

2016-09-16T09:06:49+00:00

Baz

Guest


Its actually spot fixing that is affecting mini results within games that dont affect the result.

2016-09-16T09:02:50+00:00

pjm

Roar Rookie


And refs are 99% not likely to call a penalty on the first tackle in a set that started because of a penalty meaning the opposition just lies all over the player. League refs are amateurs.

2016-09-16T08:58:15+00:00

MAX

Guest


This needs a Kate McClymont investigation. Is the square ups a form of match fixing? It would be interesting to see Archer explaining away "things" to her probing questions.

2016-09-16T08:32:14+00:00

Cugel

Roar Rookie


I'm fine with border line cases erring on the side of knock-ons, no benefit should be gleaned from grassing the pill... if that's the idea But a few years ago, we had to endure a new rule saying you could blatantly knock-on and benefit, but only if you weren't trying to.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.. you can't predict what goes through their minds.

2016-09-16T07:54:21+00:00

soapit

Guest


its pretty much been the interpretation of the rule for the last 20 years at least hast it? drop the ball and its a knock on and you have to be pretty ucky to get a knock back called no matter where it travels. strange that people only seem to be starting to notice this recently.

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