Fooper? Coodge? Ferevi? Australia's depth at 10 and 12

By Simon / Roar Pro

One of the biggest positives coming out of the Wallabies’ camp over the last couple of years has been the depth developed across the park.

Admittedly, the talent pool in Australia is not as deep as some of our contemporaries – namely New Zealand or England, for whom Eddie Jones yesterday announced an impressive elite playing squad.

But, partially as a product of the three-year-old National Rugby Championship, and perhaps as the result of a number of injuries in recent years, depth is growing in a number of positions.

Generally, we are able to cover injuries across the board. With Lopeti Timani replacing Sean McMahon, who in turn replaced David Pocock at the back of the scrum, we’re beginning to see the rewards of this.

Yet a quick look at the current squad for the tour to South Africa and subsequently London to play Argentina exposes one anomaly in this growing depth: there are only two flyhalfs in the squad – and one of them is our starting inside centre. There are only two inside centres in the squad – one is on the left wing, and the other is playing at outside centre.

If Bernard Foley were to go down during a match, I assume that either Reece Hodge would shift to 12 and Sefa Naivalu would come onto the wing, or Samu Kerevi would move a spot inward to the 12 channel, leaving Tevita Kuridrani to play at outside centre. A similar arrangement would be made if Quade Cooper went down, with Foley likely moving into flyhalf.

Yet one has to question how far our depth in the halves can stretch beyond that, especially looking into 2017, in which Matt Toomua is playing in the Premiership, Matt Giteau is unlikely to be recalled, and Christian Lealiifano is very sadly, and hopefully only temporarily, out of contention due to illness.

I’m sceptical of Kurtley Beale’s likelihood of returning, especially for any June test matches. Given the failure of the returns of Matt Giteau, Adam Ashley Cooper and Drew Mitchell, and for the purpose of this article, we’ll leave him out of discussion.

Based on the current squad, it will be just Bernard Foley and Quade Cooper competing for the number 10 jersey in 2016.

Competing for the 12 jersey, assuming a Cooper/Foley combination does not prevail, will be Hodge, and perhaps Kerevi, though he does seem settled into his new role at outside centre, and he’s likely to continue at 13 for the Reds. Given Michael Cheika’s persistence with a dual-playmaker system, I’d assume that Hodge is the obvious frontrunner. But, if you’re a Roar reader, you’ve been saying that all season, no doubt.

I’ll have a brief look at the potential talent that could push for a playmaking spot next year, or at least those who could push for a position in the wider squads.

Flyhalf Contenders

Kyle Godwin
If you haven’t heard of Kyle Godwin, you probably haven’t spent much time on this website.

The 23-year-old has been with the Western Force since 2012, playing 52 games, and scoring seven tries. He played in the Australian Under-20 side in 2012, and has been garnering repute and fans slowly since then. Perhaps underutilised in a flailing Force side, Godwin has signed with the Brumbies for next year, where he’s sure to play plenty of rugby. Usefully, he’s also an accomplished inside centre.

One gets the feeling that Godwin is just one stellar rugby season away from breaking onto the international scene, and this could come even sooner, with Michael Cheika bringing him into the Wallabies squad for the home tests against South Africa and Argentina, and a spring tour looming.

Godwin’s form with the table-topping NSW Country Eagles in the NRC is also promising, as he displays the ability for cool-headed playmaking as well as the distinctive unpredictability and flair which has him earmarked by many as a promising talent.

Godwin has a real opportunity to cement himself as a reliable Super Rugby performer at the Brumbies in 2017, and a strong season there would see him right in playmaking contention for international duties.

Jack Debreczeni
Another 23-year-old talent, Debreczeni plays for Super Rugby side Melbourne Rebels and NRC side Melbourne Rising. I was lucky enough to witness Jack terrorise my old high school, Cranbrook, as he led Trinity Grammar to an unbeaten 2011 season.

He’s been plying his trade promisingly with the Rebels for a few years now, with his impressive goal-kicking a major drawcard. In the 2016 Super Rugby season, he scored 120 points from just 14 matches. While a little down on form this year, Debreczeni is still an impressive, promising young talent surrounded by a similarly progressive Rebels program. You’d back them to only improve in 2017.

So far in the NRC, Debreczeni has scored 3 tries from 4 starts, playing his rugby at fullback and flyhalf, notching up 36 points in the season so far, and navigating the Rising to third position.

It will be interesting to see how Jack steps up next season, with a Rebels outfit now teeming with Wallaby debutants as well as some established players. He and young scrumhalf and captain, Nic Stirzaker will have to lift their games to a new level.

Mack Mason
Young Mack Mason is still only 20, but he seems to have the world at his feet at the moment.

He played in the Australian Under 20s side this year, and has now been plying his trade with Queensland U20, The Queensland Reds and Queensland Country.

Part of what seems to be a growing trend, Mason was signed from the Melbourne Storm’s U20 squad, where he trained under Storm star Cooper Cronk. The experience he has gained from that experience seems to be coming through in his inventive playmaking.

He’s been playing well in an underperforming Queensland Country side, who on Saturday picked up their first win of the season. Mason himself has picked up 34 points and a single try. At such a young age, every match will grow the young man’s skill set and match readiness.

An obstacle for Mason will be where he fits into the Reds set up in 2017: with Quade Cooper resigning at Ballymore, and fellow young gun Jake McIntyre the incumbent, Mason will be hard pressed to make a match-day 23. But at only 20, you’d back him to keep improving. He could be a force for the future.

Inside Centre Contenders

You’d have to say Godwin is a contender here, too.

Reece Hodge
Though he’s a capped Wallaby, Hodge is yet to play in his favoured position of inside centre in a gold jersey.

Hodge had a breakout season with the Rebels this year, after they signed him from Shute Shield club Manly had the beginning of the year. His statistics make for impressive reading: despite missing six games, he finished the season with 8 line breaks, 50 tackles, and an impressive 63 points – 45 of which were from his nine tries.

His form since debuting for the Wallabies has been impressive, too. I get the feeling he is breaking in his test boots on the wing, and perhaps his move to inside centre is an inevitability. He has the line-breaking ability of a great running twelve, but backs that up with some good distribution too. Personally, I view that diversity in attack to be a stronger option that a ‘double shotgun’ Kerevi/Kuridrani option, or a Cooper/Foley combo which lacks genuine attacking go-forward.

But I digress.

Hodge is perhaps the most exciting Wallaby prospect to come out of a bleak year, and no one would be surprised if he becomes a long-term option at 12.

Karmichael Hunt
Hunt is an unusual candidate for inside centre, yet one clearly in the favour of coach Michael Cheika. Injury has soured his chances in 2016, with the relative hype surrounding him before the June series dying down to somewhat invisibility now.

Hunt plays most of his rugby at fullback. A league/AFL convert, he’s got a good running game and kicking skill to boot (ha). Personally, I’m a little sceptical of Hunt’s capabilities. I think Cheika would be better investing in some younger talent, yet he seems interested in Hunt, so 2017 could bring an opportunity for the code-hopping star.

My scepticism comes from the fact that, across the 11 rounds of Super Rugby he played in 2016, he made 2 line breaks, 24 tackles, scored just one try, and lost possession nine times. For a hard-running, harder-defending inside centre, his performances are a little worrying. But, playing at fullback for all but one match (in which he played at 12 and made 7 tackles), the jury might remain out until we can properly assess his inside centre prospects.

A wildcard in the eyes of most, but seems to have the favour of Michael Cheika. Keep an eye out for Hunt in a bolstered Reds outfit under new leadership.

Irae Simone
At just 21, Simone may have a few years yet until he’s contesting for a Wallabies jumper.

But, looking at Reece Hodge’s rise from Shute Shield to Bledisloe Cup in the space of one year, it wouldn’t be too surprising to see this promising youngster in contention should he break through at the Waratahs, where he’s signed for 2017. Given Kurtley Beale’s departure, Simone looks likely to contend with established youngster David Horwitz for the number 12 jersey, assuming coach Daryl Gibson makes no signings in this position.

Simone played New Zealand Schoolboys rugby in 2014 before moving to South Sydney to play in the Rabbitohs’ under-20s program. That year, he played in the Auckland Nines and covered every position in the Holden Cup sides’ backline.

He continued to display his versatility upon moving to North Sydney’s Shute Shield side – a team which broke a 41-year premiership drought in 2016. Simone won the competition’s Rookie of the Year gong, before continuing his hot run of form with NRC side the Sydney Rays, taking them to second in the competition.

Simone has been instrumental in the Rays’ success, scoring 3 tries and carrying 83 times for 408 metres so far this season. His running game meets his playmaking vision nicely, versatility perhaps picked up in his league days, to create an exciting young prospect.

I expect Simone to be a real presence in ‘Tahs selection come Super Rugby, and with coach Michael Cheika publicising his keen viewing of the NRC, the youngster is likely to turn some heads come finals time.

These are just a few options I’ve cherry-picked. Who do you think is in the frame for selection?

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-08T04:42:34+00:00

What!

Guest


In other words, he isnt Australian and shouldnt play for Australia. Its your national side, not the best side your nation can buy.

2016-10-07T12:35:05+00:00

Fact Cheika

Guest


Kelven I actually thought Lance would be a potential 12 option in the short term for the Wallabis. I remember him as a fairly solid defender from his time at the Reds, and I think his all round game (decent boot, defense, OK distribution and running) would really complement a flairly 10 (Cooper) inside him and a crash baller (Kerevi) outside him. Longer term I would like to see Kerevi moved to 12 and kept there. I think he can develop his handling and distribution skills like Nonu did and add extra balance to his game. I say 12 because he will commit those defenders at 10 and 12 (something that doesn't happen at the moment), giving us decent space out wide for whoever our longer term wingers are (Koroibete?). I also don't think he has quite enough pace for 13. I still haven't quite seen enough from Hodge yet at test level in attack, but think he could potentially be better suited to 13 rather than 12.

2016-10-07T07:38:56+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


lies, damned lies, and statistics Debreczeni gets the hard kicks. One of his completions was was at sea level from around 60m. Hodge's form for the Wallabies is ~20%, but nobody is trashing him for being a bad kicker.

2016-10-07T06:39:08+00:00

Cliff (Bishkek)

Guest


He has never been the World's Best 15 - as he is far short of many of the "needs" of a Rugby Fullback. Kicking and Positional Play and his defense is weak. He has been and always will be a winger!!

2016-10-07T06:37:12+00:00

Cliff (Bishkek)

Guest


Except Phipps not on the bench - replace with Frisby - better than Phipps. Otherwise - good backline!!

AUTHOR

2016-10-07T03:43:41+00:00

Simon

Roar Pro


I haven't seen a great deal of Lance, but he does seem an interesting and reliable player. Versatile too. I'd forgotten about Meakes. We'll have to wait and see how he goes coming into Super Rugby - sometimes great form in the Premiership or Pro12 doesn't always translate to good SR performances, but he certainly does seem promising. From snippets I've seen of him at Gloucester, at least.

2016-10-07T03:03:50+00:00

The Sheriff

Guest


He has yet to regain his form of a season ago. Injury has hindered his progress...lacks confidence

2016-10-07T02:44:00+00:00

Kelven

Guest


Good article but I think there are a couple of missed opportunities here. Jono Lance is probably the most under rated flyhalf in Australia. He was excellent for the Force before he tore a pectoral muscle in about the 3rd game of the Super season. He made it back for the last couple but those games were away so didn't get the coverage perhaps he might have. He is having a good season with Perth Spirit. He has an excellent goal kicking record, is cool headed and skillful. Personally I would rate him far and away superior to Godwin and probably Foley too in 2016. Definitely a better defensive player than QC but QC shades him on flair in attack. Watch this space in 2017 as long as he doesn't get injured. I have also watch new returnee Bill Meakes with interest. I am not sure that he is a s good as the hype yet and I think Hodge is a special player but I think Meakes definitely needs to be on the 2017 Wallaby "possibles" list

2016-10-07T02:18:53+00:00

John R

Roar Guru


That wouldn't surprise me at all. From memory - when he was fit anyway - Mike Harris was handling a lot of the goal kicking duties, considering Debreczini's struggles form the tee. The guy can kick it a mile as well. So the Rebels are lucky in that long range department.

AUTHOR

2016-10-07T01:57:28+00:00

Simon

Roar Pro


I reckon Cheik will have the vision to secure him early, and perhaps the lure of joining the pecking order at 3 or 4 will seem more appealing than falling in behind the likes of SBW or Crotty, and a number of other NZ super rugby players. He did only move to Aus in 2014, though, so you could be right.

2016-10-07T01:22:44+00:00

Hoy

Roar Guru


I would go that way, with Folau and DHP swapping at least until Folau re-discovers some mojo... He might have been arguable the worlds best 15 two years ago, but at the moment he is way down the list... If we keep saying next game he might come good, then what is the point in worrying about any players being bad? Next game might just be a blinder? Kerevi offers power, but has good footwork, and great soft hands... Hodge offers a hard, straight runner. I like Kerevi at 12, and Hodge at 13.

2016-10-07T01:11:44+00:00

Paul

Guest


Request he's allowed more kicking practice at training sure, but it'd be pretty rough for Cheik's to direct Hodge take the in-game kicks for practice if there are more reliable options in the team.

2016-10-07T00:47:14+00:00

Browny

Roar Rookie


It's a little more pathetic to get so worked up over something so harmless. How long until we see Stirzaker enter the fray for the Pooper Scooper?

AUTHOR

2016-10-07T00:17:34+00:00

Simon

Roar Pro


TWAS, Hadn't seen that statistic. I guess Deb has some way to go in his goalkicking, and I'd predict Cheika will have a bit of a word to Tony McGahan to see if Reece can take the kicking duties a little more during the Super season. So he may find it difficult. Any idea what Mack Mason's kicking has been like so far in the NRC? I'm of the impression he's pretty promising in that department.

2016-10-06T23:56:05+00:00

P2R2

Roar Rookie


Fooper, Dooper, Japper, Clapper, Fobby, Nobby, didily squatter, can you guys just use the names their Mothers gave them...pathetic

2016-10-06T23:01:19+00:00

Lostintokyo

Guest


Not sure there is a consensus Dally, and on the Roar there never is. I would have 9 Genia, 10 Cooper, 11 Naivalu, 12 Kerevi, 13 Hodge and another specialist wing such as 14 Speight and leave at 15 the player many were saying one or two short years ago was the world's best fullback in Folau at 15. Folau's kicking is improving and he will come out of his form slump, perhaps tomorrow. DHP would make an excellent bench back-up.

2016-10-06T22:36:43+00:00

Tissot Time

Guest


Agree the depth of utility multiple position playing players has increased.

2016-10-06T22:29:31+00:00

Paul

Guest


Simone is a real prospect at 12. Though I do wonder if he continues his trajectory with a big year in Super Rugby he might have black in the back of his mind, not gold.

2016-10-06T22:16:01+00:00

Dally

Guest


Yep. If they were to pick and stick with that line up long term (providing Naivalu plays well at test level) it'd be great to see and I feel would get much better results.

2016-10-06T22:08:56+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Yes good point. Hes easily Ozs best clutch goalkicker. That will be a major for Cheika which explains why hes on the field.

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