Six talking points from Argentina vs Wallabies

By Digby / Roar Guru

Australia have claimed second place in this season’s Rugby Championship after defeating Argentina by 33 points to 21 at Twickenham in London.

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The match was willing and fiery but a stop-start affair with ill-discipline an issue for both sides – 24 penalties awarded – and both set pieces having their issues.

The Wallabies still managed to win this match despite conceding 66 percent possession to Argentina, making 108 tackles to 42 overall, feeding off a number of Puma errors and utilising their greater strike power on the counter-attack with Argentina’s inaccuracies ultimately costing them in the end.

Here are six talking points to consider from this morning’s encounter.

Wallaby discipline
Perhaps an obvious choice to start off with. While the performance of referee Mathieu Raynal is perhaps worthy of dissecting, four penalties for high tackles in the first half resulting in two yellow cards to Michael Hooper and Adam Coleman placed the Wallabies under immense pressure, fortunately for them the Pumas were unable to capitalise. The officious nature of the referee notwithstanding, the benchmark had been set and the Wallabies failed to adapt.

Wallaby leadership
As with the discipline already mentioned, the players didn’t seem to be on the same page at times, looking lethargic and disjointed. A case in point would be the Pumas try from a quick tap shortly after halftime, which was well taken to be fair, but it was quite noticeable how none of the Wallabies were paying much attention to what was happening. The senior players certainly need to be sharper in this area, keeping their charges awake to the game situation.

Samu Kerevi
He just keeps getting better and better and I would go as far to suggest the Wallabies may not have won if he was not playing. A nice bit of hyperbole I know but he was instrumental in a number of the Wallaby tries and was a constant menace with ball in hand, whether going through, around or creating space for others, adding real threat to the Wallaby backline in a difficult position.

Lopeti Timani
A long wait for many Roarers has finally come to an end with the numerous calls for Timani to start at 8 was finally answered and he made a pretty reasonable fist of his opportunity. He showed he can link well, carries hard and makes the advantage line and certainly provides presence on defence with some nice hits. I did feel at times that he appeared lost or unsure of himself but the more game time he has the better and he is certainly worth persisting with.

The All Black Pumas
Several times in the UK commentary, Stuart Barnes made comparisons between the Argentinians and All Blacks in terms of their attempted style of play, suggesting this was admirable but that the Pumas lack the skill level to implement accurately.

While I can see his point and it proved to be correct at times with the Pumas putting themselves under pressure trying to play expansively, I for one hope that they continue in this vein, attempting to perfect this style and build the depth and skill levels required. It is an exciting brand the Pumas are trying to create and I hope they are eventually successful.

Will Michael Cheika pick and stick?
While injuries have played their part throughout the season, there has been little continuity in selection amongst the forwards in particular at lock this season and I cannot help but feel this contributes to the inconsistent performances we have seen so far.

Certainly in the backs, where selection has been a bit more stable for the second half of the competition, the improvement has been significant while the forwards continue to stagnate.

Will we see further rotation up front and on the bench in two weeks or will Cheika decide to allow his forward pack the chance to settle?

Does Cheika know what his best pack is? And has naming a nine-man bench actually served any purpose?

How bizarre
I cannot recall seeing anything else quite like it at this level. Perhaps the closest was Nathan Grey during Super Rugby but I cannot recall anything similar.

During a stoppage in play, the Argentinian physio was moving towards the rolling ball coming towards him on the field and gathers it, this in turn incensed replacement Wallaby halfback Nick Phipps who gave the physio a shove which in turn enraged the Puma right wing Matias Moroni who rushed 15 odd meters to give Phipps a what-for.

So the physio shouldn’t have picked up the ball, Phipps definitely should not have shoved the physio and Moroni is not supposed to be running in from a distance, it’s a no go and in the wash-up we ended up with just a penalty to Argentina for Phipps push?

I suppose I can understand that but it appeared to me to be multiple brain explosions across the board. Perhaps the physio was just being nice and was going to pass it on?

There are my talking points from this match, what did you take away Roarers?

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-11T08:58:40+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


With Timani at 8, Hooper's performance is going to come under some very close scrutiny. His stats looked a bit rubbish after the Argentina game. Turns out that when he has to play the #7 role, he isn't very good at it. Ardie Savia will eat him for breakfast

2016-10-11T05:20:44+00:00

Steve T

Guest


No, a set up by Argies. Just as a lot of playing the man off the ball was a big part of the Argies tactics, physio taking a dive was part of the act. Like I said and is obvious in some footage, physio moved across and back into Phipps who put his hands out to stop the full contact.

2016-10-11T05:07:57+00:00

CUW

Guest


it is easily analyzed. the population in NZ and Auzzy is quite small compared to Europe. then when u divide that population by state/ provincial bias the target market becomes smaller. that is one point about super rugger. when it comes to test rugger there is economics to consider. with super rugger soon after followed by test rugger means, a family has to provide a substantial portion of disposable income for that specific need. then it becomes a case of " shud i go to see my province play or shud i go to see my country play?" some may opt for both while other may opt for one - be it province or country. the issue with the expansion of super rugger is too much rugger. am sure during the super 12 days the crowds were much bigger. the quality of competition has suffered due to the quantity that is not supported by increase in talent. if we bring in competitions like Miter 10 or NRC then it becomes still more rugger. too much of anything will suffer. i am of the opinion that people who run SANSAAAR have lost the plot. their expansion into the calendar may be one reason for lesser crowds at tests. one shud look at America ( from where they got this conference nonsense) and see , if their competitions are expanding OR have stayed the same over the years.

2016-10-11T02:23:26+00:00

Boz the Younger

Guest


Yeah, I noticed they are mixing it up a bit with him passing to Foley who delivered the inside ball to DHP. Good to see.

2016-10-10T22:12:28+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Phipps was wrong but that same physio pushed a Wallaby defender off the Argie try scorer following their first try - he had form.

2016-10-10T22:10:20+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Upon re-watching the match it was Hooper's clean out over DHP that allowed the ball to be shifted to Kerevi for his try. Crucial and clinical. Also worth mentioning he tackled a prop, sent him backwards, picked up the loose ball and through a perfect pass over his shoulder for Kerevi's second. He's a handy player.

2016-10-10T20:10:43+00:00

Dat Mavis

Roar Pro


Something i noticed is that Hooper is also very effective in securing the ball in the wide channels. As he is so quick and almost omnipresent, he's often there as a support player and so will be first to the ruck in those isolated tackle situations.

2016-10-10T20:09:11+00:00

Dat Mavis

Roar Pro


I just re-watched the video. I think it was just a knee jerk reaction, Phipps was moving towards the ball and the physio moved and got right in his way. Not smart to push him, sure, but i can certainly see how it unfolded and think i would've done the same thing...

2016-10-10T10:07:20+00:00

CUW

Guest


yes 36/40 rucks compared to 99/102 for argies. but auzzy ran 474 meters compared to 497 by argies. so it tells me that auzzy ran a lot unopposed , for long distances , considering the low tackle count of argies . :)

2016-10-10T09:57:23+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Aus did only have 40 total rucks.

2016-10-10T09:19:41+00:00

Katipo

Guest


@CUW Filling grounds is a constant problem fpr Sanzaar rugby. I'm thinking mainly of their Super Rugby tournament but empty seats are visible at Bledisloe and Rugby Championship tests now too. Part of the problem is they are not matching supply to demand. They play their Super Rugby games in stadiums that are way too big. This is especially true of the South African conference and in places like Auckland where The Blues would be better off in a 20,000 seat stadium like the Warriors instead of Eden Park. It's important to have atmosphere and that comes from having a full stadium regardless of the size. Some of the best atmosphere happens in packed out small stadiums. European rugby, NRL, are way ahead of Sanzaar in this regards.

2016-10-10T09:03:05+00:00

CUW

Guest


“Money is the crap of the devil , that pays to disseminate the Pope's message" :)

2016-10-10T09:01:23+00:00

CUW

Guest


@ Aucklandlaurie i think Twickers can hold 80 000+ . in fact when this was first announced the first question i asked was are there enuf ppl in England (not just London) who would come to this game? they said it was around 48 000 which is like 60% full. not a bad turnout , butmaybe other club matches would have also had an impact. the idea is actually good , but maybe needs a rethink next time - to go for a ground that will hold like 50 000. the atmosphere at the south africa match was super. they even made the all blacks fluff the HAKA :)

2016-10-10T08:56:25+00:00

CUW

Guest


u can also question if the stat that argies had to make only 49 tackles is correct - becoz it looked as if they made 149 LOL.

2016-10-10T08:55:03+00:00

CUW

Guest


i know the flaws but the point is Cheika is not willing to let Foley go. so my question is will switching the two help Foley play as a 10 , which he now does at 12 and maybe Cooper will play as a 12, becoz his running game is better , IMO.

AUTHOR

2016-10-10T08:21:02+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


I suspect with Timani at 8 the Wallabies would be better off with Fardy at 6, as opposed to moving Hooper.

AUTHOR

2016-10-10T08:19:16+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


I could have lived with that decision Bush, makes more sense to me though I don't think, along with banishment yellow card to Phipps and Moroni would have been acceptable to me also.

AUTHOR

2016-10-10T08:17:29+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Thank you Nicholas, appreciated. Yes, and you could see it coming as well. The amount of missed tackles from the beginning was alarming. Where was the fire?

AUTHOR

2016-10-10T08:15:19+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Thank you Mr Jones. Good call, reinforcing Chinmays observation of playing in the right areas.

AUTHOR

2016-10-10T08:12:27+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


And that depth will further develop in Super, well, it should.

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