Cameron White: Why is he out there?

Wholeheartedly agree WLC. There was also the statement "They must wonder what the point of playing four long consecutive days of cricket is, other than to appease those who make the fixtures." Well maybe for the same reason any of us who play sport do it; because we love our sport and play for our team, whether it be Australia, NSW or local 3rd grade. If everyone quit because they weren't going to play for Australia it would be a very sad state of affairs. And, except for those lucky to get into coaching/admin, where else are you going to get paid $100K plus for playing a game you love? Sure you could be a T20 gun for hire, but I reckon many of these guys would lose their edge very rapidly if they started picking and choosing where and when they play. Only the gifted few (like a Chris Gayle or KP) can stroll out whenever they feel like it and hit form.

Must have had his thoughts on the NZ tour this week, got double ducks for the bushrangers in their shield game. Hence, form can come and go quickly.

Thank you. I was wondering how a successful 2016/17 Matador Cup series made White a better option in the 5 years previous.

White was good in domestic circuit but whenever on national duty he failed. He played well in few matches but too lazy and took his talent for granted. no work ethic like Hussey. But our selectors should spot the right guys.Very poor selection. What's Jackson Bird gonna do in India. Poor selection of Wade. Handscomb has had a great start but we forget it's against a poor Pakistan team with butter fingers. India are not gonna drop any chances. Handscomb should work on his keeping modelling on MS Dhoni who s unconventional but effective. That would help to accomadate another batsman . And I feel Cameron Bancroft has the right to that spot His footwork last year was so gud in India. Have seen so many batsmen plonk their foot and firm bags. He was very nimble footed. My lineup for India will be Warner Renshaw Bancroft Smith Shaun Marsh Handscomb Maxwell Starc Hazelwood O Keefe Lyon

It is supposed to be the platform for selection however due to the truncated season now and the focus on the Base Ball League the selectors are using that as a form guide. In the past one day games were played the day after Shield matches I get Josh's point White is only playing for pride no other reason. That's why Jaques' form fell off a cliff in the Shield and retired to focus on County Cricket. No point in scoring mountains of runs in the Shield that got him selected in the first place and couldn't get his spot back after an injury. He certainly wasn't dropped. The selectors instead preferred all rounders and better fielders rather than proper batsmen. Watto promoted himself to opener despite his average being in the mid 30s. Jaques in comparison had a test average of 47. Rogers had a shot too but the selectors were far to impatient to give him a proper chance

Ok fair point, his success in 2016/17 is really only relevant to his non selection in the current series.

I agree Burgy. Young up and comers need to rub shoulders with seasoned players. Josh's last words in his article "... why is he out there ? " Maybe he still enjoys playing cricket. I'd like to think there are actually players who don't see it as a job.

It would be a great shame if good first-class players like White and Cowan decided to quit. We need that kind of quality to keep the Shield healthy and competitive. Giving a younger batsman a go is all well and good, but at the same time giving up your spot for a player who is probably inferior at that stage of their career only dilutes the strength of the competition and stunts young players' development, as they are no longer testing themselves against high-quality opposition.

I think this is spot on. It was Hohns's disrespectful response that made the issue about White. White simply said what many others were thinking.

He just bowled predictable toppies. That action worked against him ever succeeding with leg spin. His arm was beyond the perpendicular. He needed to be more round arm. Steve Smith, on the other hand, has an excellent leg spinner's action. Trouble is, the time required to develop that skill would have denied us the batsman Smith is today. Players can't just nominate the kind of bowling they do in the nets to be considered an all rounder. They have to do it well.

There are obviously some whose careers have started to wind down. If we had no young talent, the aged talent would be called upon. That's what happened with Voges. Even if he scored a series of double centuries now, he would no longer be considered. There are young players equally as good and incumbent. White, BTW, was unlikely bemoaning his own ommission. I think he was speaking on behalf of all players whose performances warranted consideration.

Whites leg spin he should have either geared it towards taking the odd wicket in first class /test cricket, or saving runs in one day cricket it was really neither. He wasn't SHane Warne , so having a spare tyre around his waist counted against him.

Playing one day domestics is not the same as playing one day internationals. The Matador is not, so far as I know, an International (unless you think Tasmania is a foreign country). The only one-day international White has played since 2011 was the one two years ago.

The OPs statement is a nonsense. Unless there's a flux capacitor involved then there's absolutely no nexus between White doing well in the 2016/17 Matador and playing "...only one ODI since 2011."

I don't understand your question qwetzen are you disputing that White has only played once ODI for Australia since 2011? Of that he scored the most runs in this season's Matador Cup?

I think that's correct. He played 10 ODIs in 2010/11 and one in Jan 2015 against England. Nothing in between and nothing since.

"Likewise White, who finished on top of the Matador Cup run-scorers in 2016, but has played only one ODI since 2011" Pardon?

so how are players selected for the test team if it's not based on shield form then?