A rare double dynasty demise in the AFL

By Gordon P Smith / Roar Guru

As an American with a footy addiction, one of my childrens’ favourite things to tease me about is that because of the timezones, I enjoy my Saturday afternoon games on Friday night.

Therefore I’m listening to news from the future – “The world can’t end tonight; Dad’s already listening to tomorrow!”.

So understand that when I tell you I was listening to the end of two dynasties simultaneously on Friday night, I’m referring to the events at the University of Tasmania and the MCG on Saturday afternoon, local time.

To witness the end of a dynasty is a rare thing because by definition dynasties themselves are rare. Having two clubs that you could consider simultaneous dynasties requires not only that the teams be unusually dominant over a period of five or ten years but also that they both win multiple titles despite the other team’s similar success.

Hawthorn won three consecutive titles in 2013-15, a fourth in 2007 and made finals in nine of the last ten years, including being top three the last six years straight.

Sydney made finals in 13 of the last 14 years, although they won just two titles in that time. They’ve also been top four with a double chance each of the last five years and made grand finals in three of those five years. Throw Geelong in there, whose record over the last ten years is similar, and there are arguably three semi-dynasties in the 2010s in the AFL.

And last weekend two of those dynasties came crashing down at the same time, on competing channels.

Both teams started the season 0-4 to everyone’s surprise, but there was still hope. The Hawks rose from the dead in Round 5, wiping out finalist West Coast by 50 points, putting the obituaries on hold for a few days.

Meanwhile, fixture watchers looked at Rounds 6 to 10 for the Swans, projected five easy wins and reminded us that the one team with a track record of rising from the dead to reach finals was Sydney. So though my clock had ticked late in Friday, there was still life in those two cadavers: “They’ll get better! They may not make it to the top 8, but they’re still decent!”.

But then Round 6 happened.

The Saints started well, but they weren’t putting the Hawks away when they had their chances.

Meanwhile Sydney was struggling to impart their obvious superiority over the youngsters of Carlton, even losing the lead briefly in the second before taking a slim eight-point lead into the long break. It was easy to blame the wet conditions, the kind that allows underdogs to stay close and the conditions that allowed the Blues their only win in Round 3.

As the final hour of my Friday night came and went, so did the chances of the two old powerhouses. First, we watched Hawthorn do something unbelievable against St Kilda in the third: they gave up. The phrase ‘scored at will’ was invented for St Kilda’s third quarter. The poor announcers struggled mightily to find some parallel for the total surrender Hawthorn displayed on their happy hunting grounds in Tasmania.

Had they had the Swans broadcast on in the booth, they would have found their parallel. Sydney surrendered five straight goals to a team they’d been favoured to beat by 37 points. They closed the lead to nine with a quarter to go, and we foolishly thought they would still reel in the ‘obviously inferior’ Carlton team.

Back on the island, the last death spasms ran through the muscles of the Hawks. Jarryd Roughhead and Luke Breust put 14 points on the board to start the fourth, and at the same moment Sydney was closing to nine. Let the record show that at approximately 3:30pm on Saturday, 29 April 2017, both franchise dynasties breathed their last.

Hawthorn by an astonishing 75 points to a team they were favoured to beat, and Sydney allowed the Blues to rip off the first three goals to start the fourth.

All dynasties die eventually. The UCLA men’s college basketball dynasty ended when their coach retired. The Soviet hockey team and the American basketball team stopped winning every gold medal when their own internal systems changed and the rest of the world caught up. The New York Yankees stopped winning every other World Series after 1964.

Someday, the University of Connecticut will stop being the bell cow of women’s basketball teams, the New England Patriots will lose both coach Bill Belechick and quarterback Tom Brady and return to being ordinary, and the Perth Wildcats will not make the NBL finals.

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What was so amazing was to watch both obituaries write themselves simultaneously. The only two examples I could come up with of something close to ‘simultaneous dynasty death’ were both much more predictable than this one, and neither were all that ‘together’.

Up to 1991 the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics had dominated the NBA for a decade behind three or four star players, in particular the Lakers’ Magic Johnson and the Celtics’ Larry Bird, who had been rivals since the famous 1979 NCAA college basketball title game they first met in.

Bird retired that year, his team having drifted from the top rung and not made finals for a couple of years, and Magic’s sudden retirement because of his HIV-positive status left the Lakers in a lurch, and they didn’t return to the finals until the days of Kobe and Shaq and after Michael Jordan retired. The two teams didn’t collapse at the same time, or even the same year.

The other candidate might be in Major League Baseball, where the ‘Big Red Machine’, the Cincinnati Reds, dominated the national league while the eccentric Oakland As dominated the american league between 1970 and 1976.

In that run the Reds won five division titles, including four league championships and consecutive World Series titles in 1975-76. The As won five straight division titles between 1971 and 75 and three straight World Series titles between 1972 and 74.

But after their division title and failure to advance beyond the league championship series, they traded away significant talent and fell from the ranks of the great teams, pre-empting the demise of the Reds by a couple of years.

So what we witnessed this weekend was just about unprecedented. The only way to top it is if Geelong’s loss to Collingwood ends up being the first of, say, a 17-game losing streak to end the season.

While on these weekly wanderings it was hard not to notice the common thread between the two teams: complete collapses in defence. By the second half of each game Hawthorn and Sydney were both engaged in the finger-pointing and the energy-saving for offence attitude that engulfs losing teams.

Neither club’s defence will improve until the players get out of their current ‘me first’ mode and return to the ‘we’ attitude that was evident in the classic Giants vs Bulldogs game the night before – or, in my case, at 4am on Friday, and worth every moment of lost sleep!

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-05T03:44:36+00:00

DeanM

Guest


Hawthorn played 3 opponents better than the Essendon team of 2001. Hawthorn were not simply the best for the day in 2008 they were the better team for the entirety of the final series. Played off against the same opponents and were more convincing. Hawthorn also beat Geelong in 2007 and again in 2008 and continued to challenge Geelong throughout their peak years. That Hawthorn team of 07-10 would not get within 6 goals of the 12-15 team. If Collingwood and the Saints were so great they would have won more premierships or in the Saints case a single premiership. Ross Lyon has proved time and again that his game style does not get the job done on the big stage. 4 is a bigger number than 3, simple really.

2017-05-05T02:20:19+00:00

Joe

Guest


Hawthorns reign came in a weak era caused by the expansion period (GC and GWS), where teams couldn't rebuild so the same teams remained at the top. They also faced mediocre opponents in their trio of Grand Finals (compare that to Essenden of 01, Saints of 09 or Collingwood of 11), and won 08 because their opponent tripped over their own feet. This is all completely beyond objectivity of course, but I'd put Brisbane and Geelong ahead of Hawthorn's dynasty any day.

2017-05-05T00:37:15+00:00

George Apps

Roar Rookie


I don't know why anyone would want Ty Vickery - he is a curse!

2017-05-04T23:41:28+00:00

DeanM

Guest


Not true, I have seen numerous news polls that clearly place the Hawks at number 1 and that is despite the mass national Hawk envy of the AFL fan base during the time votes were cast. 4>3 and the Lions efforts will forever be tainted for the fact they had exstensive draft concessions, merger, extended playing roster and the inflated salary cap. Despite all the assistance and during a time without nearly as many equalisation methods that the Hawks overcome they still won less games, played less consecutive final series, had a lower percentage and beat far inferior teams for win loss and percentage. The Essendon team would rank 3rd compared to the teams Hawthorn played. The Collingwood team was very average with spuds across every line. You could bring up the MCG factor but again that pales in comparison to the numerous and exstensive leg ups the AFL Lions received. Give the Hawks all of the above and they may have won 6 straight. Check mate, thanks for coming.

AUTHOR

2017-05-04T16:37:41+00:00

Gordon P Smith

Roar Guru


Thanks - you're right, of course.

2017-05-04T12:47:27+00:00

J.T. Delacroix

Guest


Within moments following the final siren : "Sydney are now 0-6 and kaput!" Gerard Whately probably nailed it.

2017-05-04T10:16:56+00:00

mattyb

Guest


DeanM,the good readers of this website have had that debate numerous times and the verdict is always in the order Brisbane,Hawthorn,Geelong.

2017-05-04T04:29:02+00:00

Birdman

Guest


Ty's in the magoos ATM - surely the curse doesn't apply unless he's in the 22?

2017-05-04T01:26:53+00:00

DeanM

Guest


I dont see how you could talk about the 2 teams been similiar. Swans despite the COLA and academy assistance ultimately failed on the big stage and if they are unable to re-group and win another premiership it will be seen as a dominant error that they were unable to capitalise on. Only 3 teams have had a dynasty in the AFL era and that is the Hawks, Brisbane and Geelong ranked in that order.

2017-05-04T01:03:23+00:00

James

Guest


Just like Hulkamania, the Perth Wildcats finals streak will live forever!! haha

2017-05-04T00:05:02+00:00

Slane

Guest


The curse of Ty Vickery.

2017-05-03T23:17:20+00:00

gyfox

Guest


I lived in California for 8 years & was able to catch Saty a/noon games (incl the GF) at the civilised time of 9 pm Friday night :-)

2017-05-03T22:30:42+00:00

Birdman

Guest


I feel your pain AS but as a Hawks member, the only comfort I have this season is having the Swans for company at the bottom of the ladder :)

2017-05-03T22:27:48+00:00

Birdman

Guest


Gordon, I think you've landed on the real issue for the 2017 Hawks which is NOT the Jaegar O' Meara trade but how is this team (even without Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis) is playing so abysmally?

2017-05-03T22:19:43+00:00

Birdman

Guest


Good article Gordon but Geelong might want the 2007 flag back - Hawks won that fourth one in 2008.

2017-05-03T20:20:12+00:00

American Swan

Guest


As another American, I also enjoy my footy in the middle of the night, but it has been tough year to be a Swans supporter. A decline was inevitable at some point, but I can't believe the drop off has been so far so fast. I keep thinking there must be some internal team turmoil that is not being reported because the effort has been so lacking this year. I don't mind losing but the lack of effort and "team first" play is tough to watch.

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