You don’t mess with the Johan: exclusive Roar interview with Johan Ackermann

By Geoff Parkes / Expert

Dennis Dugan’s 2008 film “You Don’t Mess with the Zohan” stars Adam Sandler as an Israeli agent who escapes his homeland to follow his dream.

While Lions coach Johan Ackermann hasn’t had to fake his own death as Sandler did, the recent announcement that he is leaving South African rugby to take up the head coach position with Gloucester in the English Premiership came as a huge shock, and is further evidence of the pressures on southern hemisphere rugby from the cashed up competitions of the north.

Taking time out in Melbourne during the middle week of the Lions’ three-match Australian tour, Ackermann very generously and candidly explains the circumstances behind his move: “It’s one of those things that happened very quickly. With all that’s happening at the Lions, with us being such a happy group, you never think that’s something that will happen to you.”

“But when I got the contact I sat down and looked at the challenge of coaching in the northern hemisphere, and I thought to myself, I’ve been so many times to Australia and New Zealand, something like this takes me right out of my comfort zone. I’m going to work with a whole lot of different nationalities, in UK conditions, I get to test myself against French clubs, there’s just so many challenges attached to this.”

With the Lions now clearly ranked as South Africa’s leading provincial side, Ackermann will leave with a clear conscience, having led a cultural change through the Lions organization, which has produced results as well as earning respect from everyone in the rugby world.

“We’ve put a lot of emphasis on driving the same values and way of doing things, and rugby philosophy right down into our juniors. It’s the same culture. My assistant coaches have been there 4 years and 7 years respectively; they will stay behind, as will the core of the playing group. So if there’s ever a good time to leave it’s now,” said Ackermann.

There is of course unfinished business to attend to first; winning the Super Rugby title, after falling at the final hurdle last year.

(AAP Image/SNPA, Ross Setford)

So how does Ackermann assess the season so far?

“I’m happy with where we are (leading the Africa 2 conference with a 9-1 record). If you can control your own destiny by not hoping other teams lose then that’s obviously a good thing. Individually, some of the guys are playing good rugby, but collectively we’re not quite there, for example there aren’t the same long-distance tries like last year.”

“We do have some important injuries, so we don’t quite have the same combinations, the same experience, the same calmness under pressure.”

But the biggest change Ackermann has noticed this year, is not so much with his own team, but in the way opposition teams have prepared; “Last year, sides didn’t take much notice of us. But now, there is no more ‘under the radar’. Teams are now making definite plans to disrupt our play and our fluency. Which means that we too have to evolve.”

That evolution is indeed the real story here; how a side that was relegated from the competition in 2013 not only recovered its position but, in a very short time, became one of the competition heavyweights, and in a manner which has potentially altered the way South Africans now approach their rugby.

While seeds were sown during their 2013 exile, Ackermann describes how changes really started to kick in during 2014. The main catalyst for that change comes as a surprise.

“I remember we played the Chiefs in Hamilton and afterwards we had a great chat with (Chiefs coach) Dave Rennie”, he says.

“I asked him, ‘we watch Sonny Bill (Williams) do these offloads, but what happens when they don’t work?’ And he said ‘we give the guys a basic structure but within that structure is freedom. (Aaron) Cruden can make a decision on the run and we back him and the team will back him.’”

“So what happened after the meeting with Rennie, we focused our coaching on developing the players’ individual skills and, within that basic structure we provide, encouraging the players to use those skills, say to try and evade guys where they can.”

Ackermann goes on to use the Hurricanes to illustrate further: “Their secret is that they always look like they play without fear of losing. Look at a school game where if the ball is passed to the backs and somebody drops it, you’ll invariably hear the coach yell out next time ‘don’t pass it!’ We’re trying to do the opposite. Sometimes we might say to a player afterwards, ‘maybe you should have kicked it there instead of running’, but we never hold anything like that against the players, as long as the effort and intent is there.”

Continuing the New Zealand theme, Ackermann also credits his time under Wayne Smith at Northampton for helping shape his coaching philosophy, as well as Laurie Mains: “he had a certain hardness about him”, and John Mitchell too: “he was very strong technically and he also helped me understand how New Zealand players think.”

Ackermann’s other primary influence was ex-Springbok coach, Dick Muir: “My first coaching job was under him, and what I learned from him was innovation. He was always looking to do something that nobody else was doing.”

So with those influences in mind, what was it that pulled everything together?

“That happened when we decided not to focus on winning Super Rugby or the Currie Cup, but where we all agreed that we just wanted to play exciting rugby,” said Ackermann.

“We also looked at our player profile at the start of 2014. We just didn’t have the kgs to play the big, power, ball-carrying game anyway, even if we’d wanted to.”

That said, what impresses canny observers about the Lions is that, regardless of the emphasis on a fast, running game, marked with offloads and backing-up, at no stage has the set piece been neglected; their line-out and scrum are among the best in the competition.

The fruits of the new approach started to appear in 2015, where the Lions suffered a few close losses to sides they would previously have expected to have been beaten heavily by.

By 2016 there were mid-season defeats to the Hurricanes and Crusaders but then results started to flow/

“The wins came as combinations got better and the players got used to having that freedom. But most of all, with respect to our game, the players got calm,” said Ackermann.

Clearly, not every player brought up in the South African system was suitable for this new style of high paced game, so recruitment has played a crucial role.

“We got a lot of players from the smaller provinces,” Ackermann explains.

“Like Faf (du Plessis) who is from the Pumas. Or we got hold of players who for some reason had not been given opportunities at other provinces, guys like Courtnall Skosan, Warwick Tecklenberg, Robbie Coetzee and Franco Mostert, players who we felt would add value character-wise, but who also had skill and a willingness to play our style of game.”

The final group were players who were already from the union. “Guys like Jaco Kriel and Elton Jantjies, they had been through the tough times, from the U20’s but they’ve really matured and developed as individuals’, he explains.

“The fact that we didn’t have a big budget to spend on players actually helped us. We couldn’t go and buy Springboks, so we had to go and get players who were prepared to work hard and were able to blend together with a common goal to put in that hard work in order to succeed.”

That togetherness is reflected in another aspect that is central to the side’s success, the role that shared faith plays within the squad.

“The first thing we said to all the players is that you have to earn the jersey, no matter who you are or where you’ve come from. Then after that, I do like guys who care for each other, who serve each other and the team. So what arose from that was a group of players who had a sense of place, and so we just had to nurture that unity.”

As for the religious aspect? “It really just happened spontaneously. We don’t exclude anybody of course, but it just happened that the group came together and their shared faith just evolved into a group of players who care for each other, pray for each other and who testify certain things.”

But before anybody takes that angle too far, Ackermann qualifies that: “Most of all, it’s about having a respectful group where everyone gets treated equally and respected equally.”

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

There was a feeling among many pundits that perhaps last season the Lions didn’t quite believe they were ready to win Super Rugby, evidenced by Ackermann’s decision not to take a full-strength side to Buenos Aries in the final round; where a loss ultimately cost them home advantage in the final.

Ackermann very persuasively justifies that decision by describing how it wasn’t a knee-jerk reaction, and that there was a stark difference in readiness for finals rugby between the players who stayed at home and those who travelled, shown in the stunning way they dispatched the Crusaders and Highlanders in the finals. He also heaps credit on the Hurricanes, whose bonus point win against the Chiefs away from home ultimately tipped them out of top spot on the ladder.

One gets the feeling that, home or away, if the Lions are “lucky enough” to be there again this year, a combination of last years’ experience and his team self-belief will the factors that carry them right through a finals campaign.

If that does happen and the Lions go one better, for Ackermann, victory will be even more special. Not because he is departing but for two reasons: “One is that we haven’t been tested so much mentally this year, so it will be a great achievement if we can lift to another level through the finals.”

“The other reason is that this year there is so much more expectation from everywhere; from our sponsors, our supporters, and the way teams now prepare to play against us. Last year we just played with no pressure, nothing to worry about, but now the players get stopped on the street, so there is a lot of added expectation. That’s why it would be so much more special if we are able to win this time.”

‘This year’ continues with a match against the Brumbies tonight in Canberra, and while Ackermann expresses sympathy for the plight of Australian players through the current uncertainty, his focus for now is squarely on his own side.

Rugby is full of great people and on that basis it seems unfair to single Ackermann out from a host of Super Rugby coaches who are no doubt equally deserving of a competition victory.

But if the Lions are able to this year finish off what has been building over the last 3-4 seasons, then it will certainly be rich reward and a fitting send-off for a man who is not only one of rugby’s great innovators, but one of the game’s genuine good guys.

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-14T21:13:20+00:00

Roftie

Guest


Jannie Putter

2017-05-13T08:31:18+00:00

Old Bugger

Guest


Geoff, Sam It is such a pity that his own national team, will never get to benefit of his approach to this, very simple game. Then again, I don't really blame him......if you're not wanted, then you look for greener pastures. Good luck JA, on your future endeavours.

AUTHOR

2017-05-12T20:48:44+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


He was certainly very ordinary last night v Brumbies. They did well to close down his space and time, and as a result he was inaccurate and his play lacked authority. I'm sure he will be better at home and with Faf back, but dav you are right, I'm sure this will provide a blueprint for some of the NZ teams to target him and the Lions.

2017-05-12T13:39:32+00:00

davSA

Guest


Unerringly accurate Harry. He is but a shadow of the player he was last year. When things come to the business end of the tournament he can expect to be targeted but at this stage of proceedings I fear the Lions are stuck with him.

2017-05-12T13:23:01+00:00

splinter

Guest


Good article Geoff and what makes their rise more remarkable is the fact that the Lions were relegated because of political reasons.Politics play a major role in SA sport as you know corruption in sport is rife players not worth a SB blazer are picked.We will see how many Lions players are picked in our national side.

2017-05-12T09:46:25+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Happy to let the Lions have Elton! The only thing holding them back from SR title

2017-05-12T09:18:41+00:00

jim boyce

Guest


I am not so much interested in the top of the hill but more how he progressed through the minor roles. He seems to have had a lot of minor coaching stints in the UK, learning the trade so to speak. Most of us are aware of players's path through the ranks but very little about coaches.

2017-05-12T07:27:01+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Thanks Geoff for putting this together. A really interesting read. I wonder if his decision not to make a bid on the Springbok coaching job was influenced by his admission that he didn't have enough funds to buy Springboks but that wasn't a bad thing. By saying it was easier to recruit younger talent and mound them into the style of play he wanted suggests to me that process would've been a lot more difficult with Springboks. Furthermore, with the Lions, he wasn't expected to work miracles. Like Cheika with Leinster or the Waratahs, the pressure to perform was much less. With all the perceived obstacles coupled with high expectations, it seems he's willing to broaden his experience for the moment.

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2017-05-12T07:14:21+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


It's interesting isn't it Nick, how most clubs and coaches will say that they are all working towards that same thing - a strong, identifiable culture which encompasses mutual respect and hard work for each other - and while they might achieve that sporadically, it's actually only very few clubs that are able to entrench this more permanently. It sounds easy enough, but it's like that old saying 'if it was that simple then everybody would be doing it.'

2017-05-12T06:18:25+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Great article with a great by-line Geoff! You can see those influences in the background - Wayne Smith at Saints, Dick Muir (rugby royalty). Core values are obv immensely important to him too and the Lions remind me a lot of Saracens in that respect. They don't have the same playing budget but they are always willing to work hard for each and happy to spend time in each other's company off the field.

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2017-05-12T06:07:14+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


We talked a bit about how his style of game might translate to English conditions Dav. The Gloucester pitch gets shaded by the steep grandstand, so once it gets wet it doesn't get sufficient sunshine and wind to dry out quickly. So he's thinking he might need a dual strategy - a running game for the start and end of the season, and a more forward oriented game for the middle of winter :) Gloucester are hoping to go down the artificial pitch route at some point. Although the recent ruling against Mourad Altrad buying a large chunk of the club hasn't helped with that.

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2017-05-12T06:01:19+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Cheers Harry. As a Stormer's man you may not appreciate it so much, but Johan said that the time Elton Jantjies spent there was vital for his development and is starting to pay dividends now.

2017-05-12T05:43:03+00:00

DavSA

Guest


Thanks a ton Geoff . I have been waiting in anticipation of this interview and it did not disappoint. Ackers gives all the credit to his staff and deservedly , none more so imo than his CEO Kevin de Klerk . I met him once many years ago when he was still a rugby player. I am quite tall but could scarcely believe the size of the guy. But on chatting to him he just did not fit the image he projected on the field .... Just ask Billy Bush ... He was very humble and a genuine nice guy . He like Ackers was uncompromising on the field and both were enforcers of note. De Klerk recruited Ackermann as coach when none others would . It was a real case of positives attract. I am not a Lions supporter but have a real soft spot for them . What's not to like about this team and am very distressed about his move abroad but ........ Watching bait of NH rugby this year is he going to do for them what he has done here in SA and literally change the way they play throughout their leagues.. Truly a rugby man for all rugby lovers worldwide.

2017-05-12T05:37:49+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I really enjoyed this,Geoff. You did a very good job.

AUTHOR

2017-05-12T05:04:20+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Cheers kiwi, I'll put Rob onto the bucket list!

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2017-05-12T04:58:04+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


That's the key isn't it Baylion? Establishing that strong culture right through the organisation so that the junior players tap into it straight away, and their eventual transition to the senior team is made seamless. I saw the same thing when I was at Leinster earlier this year. Johan speaks very highly of Swys, I'm sure he will make a really good fist of the head coach role.

2017-05-12T04:37:45+00:00

The Neutral View From Sweden

Roar Guru


I second this. Even in the football world the relationship between trainers and coaches are very collegial. In the Premier League it is a long standing routine that the two managers have a little drink together after every single game. A lot of managers are very close friends outside the pitch (obviously they don't want to showcase their friendship too much in public, because their are too many owners, fans and journos who would go berserk if they did so). At the bone, even super managers like Guardiola, Mourinho and Conte are football nerds. They are deeply in love with the game and discussing football together with another maestro is probably their favorite dinner company/conversation. I have some personal experience about this also. When I was working full time as a football pundit in Sweden, I tried many times to get close to teams, managers and players all over Europe, but if you are from "media" the doors will never open and all you get is a few minutes in the mixed zone. BUT, I have some friends who are successful football managers (or former players), and if I ask them to open the door for me at another club, all it usually takes is one phone call to set it up. And when I have arrived to a club with the blessing from another a coach or a former player, all doors were open and time was never an issue. And when I have been allowed on the "inside" I have always seen at least 2-3 trainers/coaches from lower divisions (or temporary out of work), standing by the sidelines on the training paddock or eating lunch with the head manager and his staff.

2017-05-12T04:27:58+00:00

Baylion

Roar Rookie


Thanks for the article Geoff. The loss of Ackers will be obviously be felt at the Lions but the philosophy he (and John Mitchell before him) put in place should stand them in good stead with Swys de Bruin expected to take over as head coach. The Lions have a strong junior squad - the u19s and u21s won their respective competitions last year and these players are starting to make a mark in the seniors. The Lions recruited a strong u19 squad for this year. With most of the juniors enrolled at Wits University and at Univeristy of Johannesburg the two Varsity Cup teams largely follow the same playing philosophy as the Lions teams as well

2017-05-12T04:20:25+00:00

markie362

Guest


I wonder if the aussies would find it any more palatable to have ackerman as a coach instead of a kiwi ala deans

2017-05-12T04:19:33+00:00

Baylion

Roar Rookie


2010-2012 - Golden Lions & Lions - Assistant coach (Forwards) 2013-2017 - Golden Lions & Lions - Head coach & Forwards coach The Lions only have 3 coaches Ackers, Swys de Bruin (Backline & attack) and JP Ferreira (Defence & analyst)

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