Comparing dynasties: Who were the greatest irritants?

By Marty Gleason / Roar Guru

Paul Roos at the Sydney Swans famously had a ‘no dickheads’ policy during his halcyon years of 2005-06. Roos meditated, maintained his pristine brown hair over eight years of coaching, and was once seen to be whistling right before a quarter-time address with the Swans five goals down. They won.

The policy of no disruptive influences was a further example of Paul Roos trying to bring new thinking into AFL circles, in a time synonymous with the general toxicity of the Brisbane Lions era.

Of course, peace and love vibes were never going to cut it if the Swans wanted to kick on and become one of footy’s fabled dynasties.

Now that Hawthorn are being thrown around by the likes of Essendon, Gold Coast and St Kilda – not to mention their arrogant fans deserting in droves – we can safely say that the Hawks’ era of being incredibly annoying is officially over.

With Jordan Lewis and Sam Mitchell being shipped out, there is a sudden drop in knees dropping into thighs, jibes about injections and general cheap pot shots.

We can finally start to compare: Brisbane or Hawthorn? Who were the greatest? The greatest irritants?

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

With advances in nutrition, tactical planning and more time for teams to train, it is naturally difficult to compare across eras.

How does a Neil Balme cheap hit behind the play compare to a Mark Yeates cheap hit behind the play compare to a Luke Hodge cheap hit behind the play? Without a time machine, we may never know.

Now, people may accuse me of short-sightedness in only rating teams from the AFL era on this metric.

This is unfair, as literally every single player from the 1970s and 80s was a thuggish fool, rendering any analysis from that era irrelevant.

Brent Crosswell once wrote an article about watching Sam Newman breaking John Nicholls’ nose in a 1970s ruck contest. He naively asked his teammates why this had happened and was simply told, “Polly (Farmer) taught him the ropes.”

We will always wonder how the Hawks of 2007-16 compare to the Hawks of the 1980s. Now, Dermie running through the Essendon huddle was an act of annoying arrogance, to be sure, but that was definitely funny. Dermie had chutzpah. Or is it only less vexing with the rose-tinted glasses of time?

Moving on to the AFL era, it is clear that greater professionalism has taken over footy. Instead of players engaging in a melee with total disregard to the match unfolding around them, they now know that they have to deck their opponent once before refocusing on winning the ball.

The AFL era has seen some great teams come and go. My high school days coincided with watching North Melbourne grind out finals win after finals win. Good times.

Glenn Archer was an enforcer while somehow keeping a modicum of respect. Wayne Carey alone filled North’s idiot quotient, to be sure, but I’m mainly focused on on-field idiocy, such as Byron Pickett’s numerous cheap bumps.

Just like how Essendon 1999-2001 was a fake dynasty, so we had a fake tough guy in Matthew Lloyd. He no doubt read an article about him being soft in his early days and overreacted.

Similarly, when Kevin Sheedy called on Essendon to play with “no rules” against Brisbane in 2002, he had thrown his team to the Lions, literally and figuratively. Essendon had been overtaken on the field – by superior enforcers.

The Brisbane Lions! Now we’re talking. This was a team who took football to the next level. This involved:

It is only now that Brisbane has a point of comparison. Three-peat Lions, meet the three-peat Hawks.

Now, by this stage with AFL marketing in full flow, the Hawks were able to come up with a buzzword to fully justify crossing the line between being tough and being thugs: ‘unsociable’.

(AAP Image/Rob Blakers)

For some reason, the otherwise inoffensive team that always pushed their buttons was North Melbourne.

First there was Hawthorn’s meltdown in the 2007 semi-final, when once they realised they wouldn’t win simply lost the plot and began the fisticuffs.

Then Brain Lake proved that he had taken the Hawthorn way to heart by strangling Drew Petrie in 2014.

Finally, a year later, the coup de grâce: Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis delivering twin hits to the head to Andrew Swallow and Todd Goldstein within ten minutes of each other.

I’ll just say that a 2015 Grand Final involving these two would have made slightly more interesting viewing than what we saw.

Sam Mitchell’s subtle, clever jibes complemented Hodge’s more muscular play, with his ‘injection’ gesture to an Essendon player in 2015 and general all-round game (of annoying people).

Time to get sentimental about it all being over. We may never see their likes again.

Looking to the future, GWS’ ambition has resulted in the recruitment of the likes of Shane Mumford, Steve Johnson, Jeremy Cameron, Jonathan Patton, Tom Scully, Toby Greene and Phil Davis providing a nice blend of experienced enforcers with the lippy up-and-comers, small rover-types whose idol was perhaps Steven Milne.

They are looking to begin their own dynasty to rival the Hawks. In every sense.

The Crowd Says:

2017-06-01T06:27:50+00:00

Bruce

Guest


complete rubbish

2017-05-27T08:00:18+00:00

Col in paradise

Guest


Yep saw Hodge up to his old dirty cheap shots against Swans last night - he is cunning these days does it off the ball...that's why a few swans had a go back at him ....hawks tactic to get them to loose the plot and stop going for the ball

2017-05-26T08:06:36+00:00

Baz

Guest


agree

2017-05-25T08:16:52+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Guest


Ha! Not as harsh as Chris Grant!!

2017-05-25T04:29:35+00:00

Leonard

Guest


First, a bit of French history. In the late 1500s, after seven rounds of religious wars, the last Grand Frog in line for le throne left standing was Henri of Navarre, but - Big Problem: he was un Prot. Which he solved by saying "Paris vaut bien une messe" ("Paris is well worth a Mass"), and became un Mick, and therefore King Henri IV. Four of us old farts in Launceston in the mid-noughties, faced with the difficulty of getting reserved seats at York Park, decided to become Hawthorn members-of-convenience, and went to about five seasons worth of HFC games at YPL. We were bored witless by their style of play; after one dull and lifeless match, one of us remarked "Y'know, i can't recall one game where I felt 'Geez, that was a great game!' - not a single one". It did not surprise us that crowds fell away, especially with "Kick the bloody thing" echoing around us. We all agreed 400% that these Hawks were not a patch on the Hawthorn teams we'd seen pulverising our own in the 1970s and 1980s. Say what you like about them, Dipper and Dermie and Scott and co were definitely not boring. PS: we were 1 x Essendon, 1 x Collingwood and 2 x St Kilda. We've barracked for our own ever since plus whomever is playing Hawthorn (even if it's Carlton!^). ^ Just kidding!

2017-05-25T02:24:25+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Guest


That's the one, got my stripes mixed up. Thanks Col. Poor old Keith couldn't take a trick.

2017-05-25T02:19:37+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Guest


You got me there RA on depth of knowledge but I think Syd are relative choirboys by comparison.

2017-05-25T01:26:37+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Pope Paul, are you thinking of Geelongs Ray Cards hit on Greig?

2017-05-24T23:54:42+00:00

SmithHatesMaxwell

Guest


Leigh Matthews was the biggest coward on the football field then.

2017-05-24T23:28:35+00:00

Reservoir Animal

Guest


I am with Andyl12 here, I feel that Pope Paul and Bruce haven't watched much of Hawthorn in the Clarkson era. From 2009-2013 Buddy was getting countless suspensions for (admittedly careless) acts that every player was doing at the time, and acts that he still does in Sydney. On the other hand, Adam Goodes had a protected-species status as far back as 2008 and I just feel the AFL (not just the MRP) have been too generous in the way they singled him out as an asset of the game.

2017-05-24T23:12:22+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


If he was wearing a Hawks jumper it would have been deemed unintentional and low impact. It's not the penalty, its the grading. Like Mitchell turning away from the play and kneeing someone playing the ball. Accident...and no serious injury...according to Sewell.

2017-05-24T22:39:47+00:00

andyl12

Guest


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/i-took-a-dive-monfries/news-story/2da993dd7b70b13cf49db4a0d2437848?sv=96ae8264dabd2a5a372afc26ace9fe79 The truth. Not to mention the amount of times the MRP let Fyfe off in his Brownlow year. How harsh would it have looked for the blonde-haired country boy if he'd been ruled ineligible.

2017-05-24T22:35:03+00:00

andyl12

Guest


Could Lethal have talked Darren Millane out of drink-driving? Or stealing a bus?

2017-05-24T22:07:24+00:00

Pumping Fougie

Guest


Actually that punch in Maguire's guts by Hall was very similar to the incident on the weekend when the North player belted Vince in the guts, in front of the umpire. 12 years apart and same sentence - nothing to see here folks. Maybe we should applaud the MRP's consistency!

2017-05-24T21:42:49+00:00

I ate pies

Guest


Bollocks. Pickett knew he was going to get there first, hence the change of mind to go the man. He was a step past the ball when he took Krummel out.

2017-05-24T21:40:20+00:00

I ate pies

Guest


If someone feigns picking up the ball to suck someone into getting ready to tackle (ie opening himself up) and then runs past the ball to iron them out it's as good as a king hit as far as I'm concerned.

2017-05-24T21:17:07+00:00

Bruce

Guest


You are full of it Andy.

2017-05-24T17:25:14+00:00

Brian

Guest


The reason Lewis got 3 this year was because it was within 2 years of his hit on Goldstein

2017-05-24T15:39:19+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Guest


hell yes Magro on Jezza. Who was the 'pie who clocked poor Greigy (again)? Simmonds!

2017-05-24T15:33:24+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Guest


Utter bollocks Andy.

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