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Don’t be sorry because I see Adelaide finishing 15th.????

SOS, Docherty and the draft day drama

Adam, I agree with your comment that hopefully the deal works out for both sides. Carlton already think they have done well in getting a player they rated in their top 6. Obviously time will tell whether Stocker turns into a good player.

By saying the Crows will get their lowest pick ever is counting your chickens too early though as you cannot for sure know where any side will finish next year. Obviously after coming off their worst season ever the Blues will need to improve more than other teams to get out of the bottom six but given last year they had a horror run with injuries and a very young group of potentially good players in Curnow, McKay, Fisher, Dow, O’Brien, SPS, Weitering and Williamson who will benefit from anther pre season there is that chance of the improvement needed, especially if added players McGovern, Setterfield, Newman, Fasolo and Walsh can produce their best football.

Interestingly your lowest pick Laurence Angwin only lasted a year at the Crows before they delisted him. Funnily enough he ended up at Carlton but he failed there too.

SOS, Docherty and the draft day drama

I think they will take one before the season opener and wait until the mid season draft before they pick another player dependant on what our needs might be if another player suffers a long term injury.

2018 AFL draft: Talking through all the big topics

Blues have invited 2 times JJ Liston winner Michael Gibbons and Dandenong Stingrays wingman Matthew Cottrell to train with them as possible replacements for Docherty. Seems they believe they have internal replacements for a Doc and might look to bolster the midfield depth.

2018 AFL draft: Talking through all the big topics

Macca, all that matters is that Carlton got the deal done that they wanted to do. It was not a deal that was thought up on draft night as SOS had been in conversations with other clubs days before the draft. They would only do the deal though if they were guaranteed to land Stocker and therefore had to wait until that happened.

Interesting that they offered the deal to Port who obviously knocked it back, probably because they were after a certain player more so than what they thought Carlton’s 2019 pick might be.

The Blues plan has always been to go to the draft for 3 years to get the best available young talent. In the 4 th year it was about bringing in some experienced players as well as getting best available in the draft. The 5th ( next year) year was to try and bring in some more experience over the draft as they felt that by then we would have enough young talent on the list. This was their plan and so far they have stuck to it.

Who knows if Stocker will turn out to be a great get or not. What matters is that Carlton rated him highly and saw the opportunity to get him and took it. If they were not guaranteed to get him they would not have done the deal. Time will tell but if a club drafts a player that they rate and want then that is what matters.

As for next years pick no one can say for certain where both clubs will finish. Carlton fans are optimistic about seeing improvement and a higher finish whilst Crows fans want the Blues to finish as low as possible and their team to climb up the ladder. There are no certainties for either club.

2018 AFL draft: Talking through all the big topics

It’s great to see opposition supporters comment with genuine sympathy towards a player who suffers a serious injury that will keep him out of the game for another 12 months. Then you have a couple of Adelaide supporters who can only comment on how they think their club will benefit. As pathetic as one can get.

Sam Docherty's season over after knee injury at training

Absolutely devastated for Doc. It is gut wrenching enough for Carlton supporters and I can’t imagine how the playing group would be feeling to see their inspirational leader suffer another ACL injury.

I am completely gutted.

Sam Docherty's season over after knee injury at training

Why do you even mention Carlton Petey? There is just as much chance of Collingwood merging or relocating as there is of Carlton – nil. Just because the Blues have gone through there worst period in their history doesn’t mean that in a couple of years they may be up the top and Collingwood down the bottom. Should we then be mentioning mergers or relocating Collingwood.

Just for the record the Blues membership has increased each year for the last 4 years despite their performances. Already this year membership is up 5,000 on this time last years figures. The Blues despite finishing bottom will post a profit in excess of $750k.

AFL expansion - time to make it fully national

I am sure that the Suns will offer their new draftees an extension of their contract even before next season starts. They could form a bond and agree to stay as a group to try and lift the team up the ladder. I am sure the Suns will do all they can to keep this group together and the AFL may even chip into help as well.

Adelaide supporters might be thinking it is a sure thing that they will want to return to South Australia but I wouldn’t be counting my chickens yet. Anyway if they did decide to leave it’s up to the Gold Coast to whom they trade with.

Will young guns bring dismal Suns success?

Probably happier at Carlton than Tim Kelly is at Geelong.

The appeal of big clubs is as strong as ever

Sorry, forgot they voluntary forfeited their 2 first picks in hope of getting some leniency from the AFL.

The appeal of big clubs is as strong as ever

Timbo, just to correct you in regards to the penalties.

Carlton were found guilty of salary cap breaches and fined $930k as well as losing the first 2 picks of the 2002 draft and their 2nd and 3rd round picks as well. They also lost their first 2 picks in the 2003 draft.

Adelaide were found guilty of salary cap breach and draft tampering and fined $300k and lost their first 2 picks of the 2013 draft. Obviously the penalties handed to Carlton were a lot more severe and for a club that just won its first wooden spoon the penalties had a greater effect than Adelaides.

Not wanting to get into an argument because you are right about Carlton’s management back then but just giving you the correct facts about the penalties.

The appeal of big clubs is as strong as ever

The players you mentioned, Mullett, O’Shea, Shaw and Palmer were recruits that cost us very little in draft picks and were only recruited for depth not as first picked players. Unfortunately due to injuries they played more games than the club anticipated and their performances showed that they were never going to be long term players.

I would say that Tom Bugg has been recruited to takeover the role that Jed Lamb had and in my opinion is a much better player. Garlett, Robinson and Fevola were let go because of their off-field behaviour having been given prior chances. Fevola was a big loss but given his off field behaviour the club had no option but to let him go. His time at Brisbane showed that he hadn’t learnt to control his behaviour. Robinson and Garlett at Carlton were probably in our bottom 6 but unlike Fevola went to new clubs and improved.

Menzel was a lazy player and Yarran wanted out. We did well out of the trades and neither player is currently in the AFL system. Menzel did nothing at Adelaide and was delisted and Yarran’s off field problems have been well documented. Gowers and Holman did not show much during their time at Carlton so were delisted. Gowers spent a year in the VFL and Holman 2 years in the SANFL before both were rookie listed by their current clubs. Gowers has shown he could be a handy player at the Bulldogs whilst Holman is just an average player at the Suns.

For me I don’t worry anymore about what happened at the club prior to them announcing a full rebuild 3 years ago as the current playing list has about 10 players that were at the club before then. It is what the club has done since then that needs to be scrutinised and whilst the club has gone through hard times on the field the players that have been brought in the past 3 years are showing that Blues supporters should be optimistic about the future.

Why Carlton supporters must unite for 2019

Correction for you Gordon. Your Round 22 Geelong V Carlton was actually Geelong V Fremantle.

The top 20 best and worst games of the 2018 season

Fair comment Pete and I for one would love to see Wells back on the park. He is the type of player you don’t need to get 30 possessions a game because he use of the ball is exceptional and makes every possession count.

Carlton is building up its midfield and this year have added Walsh, Setterfield and Stocker to join Cripps, Ed Curnow, Murphy, Dow, Fisher and SPS. Picking up Newman will also allow Docherty to spend some midfield time.

Getting Andrew Russell to the club could possibly be the best bit of recruiting the club has done. Having been involved in premierships at Essendon, Port and Hawthorn he knows what is needed by players to get the best out of themselves.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Debby. your last sentence says it all for me. All the young players wear quick to extend their contracts and 2 of our best in Cripps and Charlie extended long term. They don’t do that unless they see that the direction the club is going is the correct one. Every club in the competition would throw big money at those 2 to get them. Every player has faith in the Coach and yes he hasn’t got a great record but he hasn’t had the luxury of a settled team. We are just about there and we will start to see if Bolts can take this team to the top.

Why Carlton supporters must unite for 2019

Slane, the previous 3 years the Blues plan was to go to the draft and get as much young talent into the club as possible. The fourth year was to bring in some experience through trading as well as getting what the can in the draft. They have done this by bringing in McGovern, Newman, Fasolo and a potentially good young player in Setterfield.

They identified that they needed midfield depth and grabbed Walsh and when they got the chance to grab Stocker who they rated highly they jumped at it. I don’t think the Blues are looking at next years draft as much as they have the past 4 and will more than likely look to trade in some more experience than drafting anymore young players.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Sammy, you are correct that improvement in the kids is what we want to see and also the benefits in trading in McGovern, Newman, Setterfield and Fasolo. How much better will young players like Curnow, Fisher, Weitering, SPS, Dow, O’Brien, Marchbank, McKay etc with another pre season into their bodies is going to be what Carlton supporters will be looking for. They are the players that are the future of the Blues and with an experienced high performance manager in Andrew Russell teaching them how to condition their bodies to get the best out of themselves then I believe the Blues will start to rise up the ladder quicker than opposition supporters think.

I don’t think anyone can put a number of wins on any side. The last few years we have seen top sides fall dramatically as well as bottom sides rise more than expected. I will be looking for the Blues to play consistent good football.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Love it Pete.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Pete, I think Murphy is more an offensive than defensive player and best suited to playing in the forward half when not playing through the midfield. Both Fisher and Williamson are quick, very good kicks and also good tacklers. I think Carlton would benefit from having them both playing on the wing.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Yeah I did read it Macca and with the Blues ranking him at 6 and to get him at 19 they must be ver happy. It is not where the so called experts rate a player it is where the clubs rank them.

Stocker would have played in the U18 nationals if not for a broken jaw and missing 8 weeks. No doubt this saw his ranking by the experts drop down the order yet despite missing games because of his jaw and also suffering from a shoulder injury he was still good enough to win the Morrish Medal. He could potentially become the Carlton version of Clayton Oliver.

2018 AFL Draft: Club-by-club review, my take on every team

I am sure you won’t be barracking for the Blues next season Sammy. You will be wishing for another wooden spoon just as us Blues will be wishing for another Don Pyke training camp.????

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

I would have Jones in with Plowman maybe on the interchange bench. Jones can take the bigger bodied forwards and with a settled defence should return to his best. I would have fast paced Fisher and Williamson on the wings. I see similar traits to Issac Smith in Williamson, good pace, good mark and a beautiful long kick.

Murphy does not have the speed to be playing on the wing but has the smarts to play on a half forward as well as running through the midfield. At this stage I haven’t got Walsh in my side as I haven’t seen him play senior football but he is more than likely to be in the first game.

To have plenty of depth has always been the plan and with players lik Cunningham, Polson, Pickett, Thomas (who had a good season this year), Garlett, Silvagni, Bugg, Goddard, Lobbe, Phillips, Casboult, DeKoning, Schumacher, Macreadie and now potential young guns in Walsh and Stocker our list certainly has that depth.

With high performance manager Andrew Russell on board I am sure our players will have the fitness base to improve vastly.

Carlton 2019 season preview: Best 22 and predicted finish

Ditto, apparently he got his gig on ESPN because of his phantom drafts on Bigfooty and is a mad Bombers fan – says it all. Carlton pick up the the player most experts had as their number 1 and then does a deal to grab another midfielder in the first round and this clown rates them a D.

He rated Lukosius and a Rankine ahead of Walsh which I have no argument against as it is subjective who the best fit for Carlton is. Carlton needed to strengthen their midfield depth which they did with Walsh and Stocker.

2018 AFL Draft: Club-by-club review, my take on every team

Macca, draft expert Michael Ablett said this of Stocker. “He reminds a little bit of a bloke in Angus Brayshaw. He just seems to be one of those guys that naturally find the football. He accumulates, he uses it well and one of his greatest strengths is his ability to come out of a contest either way”

He also said he has a bit of Sam Mitchell in him with his ability to use both sides of his body compentently. Of the trade he said this “I know the boys really rated him and good on them for doing their move and taking the punt on getting their man in this draft rather than waiting another year”.

The kid is an accumulator and can use both sides of his body. The knock on him was his endurance work but he had already started working on that with the other Brayshaw from Freo and I am sure Andrew Russell will work him hard.

Cat can have his opinion but for me this was a great bit of work by the Blues.

2018 AFL Draft: Club-by-club review, my take on every team