Australia lose to Scotland in U20's, finish sixth at Rugby World Championship

That's interesting, which one? I was very impressed with him against Samoa and I felt England missed his extra weight and speed, particularly in defence. It was a backline which was quite small anyway and Morris isn't huge, but he was their best call-carrier and he also defended that channel well. With Max Wright also going down, it meant they shifted Will Butler to 13 and, while he looks an excellent prospect, he struggled in that position.

Interestingly I play with Morris' brother. We were quite amazed to learn he was essentially the "dud" of the family given he's scored 3 hatricks and had one 4 try bag from 5 games this season.

My comment...

J Barrett is there because he continued that firm into the Super tournament. Had he not played consistently there he wouldn't have made the squad on the 20s alone.

No it's a comment on NZ selection policy.

Well people do make their choices. They were available, they just chose not to play.

Not really, England were 31-3 up at half-time. And for that match England were still without Evans, Shillcock, Brophy-Clews and Morris. Anyway, I'm not sure why you're trying to point score, all I'm saying is that England's absentees deprived us of what could have been a great game, comparable to 2011's encounter which saw a number of future England and All Black internationals go head-to-head. It is testament to both New Zealand's and England's systems that some of the current age-grade group are already internationals with Tom Curry (who was 18 when he made his debut), Isiekwe and Maunder appearing against Argentina, and Rieko Ioane and Jordie Barrett getting capped by the All Blacks. It's just that England were significantly more affected.

New Zealand up by 36 -0 in the 44th minute in the semi-final against France before shifting emphasis to the final. More impressive, I would believe, than your Six Nations scoreline between England and France. Also, note NZ had two players on All Black duties.

"Actually, I thought the Baby Black pack destroyed England." They did and it wasn't until the New Zealand replacement props came on did England get some dominance in the scrum. "England had a big pack but apart from the try scored by the flanker, they went nowhere all day." I would love to see the weight comparisons because, if you consider that England pack as big, then how would you describe the New Zealanders!? Also, most of that England pack were in their first year of U20 rugby. In fact, only six of the 23 will not be eligible next season.

Ron, Context mate. Ireland also have a load of players missing for this tournament, they made a number of changes for the New Zealand game and, in that Six Nations encounter, the conditions were atrocious. If you're going by the comparing apples and oranges argument, England beat France 59-17 in the Six Nations and New Zealand only beat the same team by 13 points in the semi-finals. But, you know, that's as irrelevant as your argument.

Jumbo, you mean Leeds-born Zach Mercer? "Read somewhere NZ were missing up to 9 front line players." Find me the link which says that and then I'll believe you. By my count, it was four or five so not exactly comparable to England.

did u see the try he effed up around 10th minute??? break the defence , three guys on his left with just the line in front. what did he do , went solo to this right where there was 2 defenders running back and promptly knocked on upon tackle. had he played for NZ test team, that will be a two year hiatus ( remember what happened to TJP after a silly kick in play ?) and why was he defending on the wing ( a-la Quade Cooper ) for the 3rd try?? the bigger question for me is , why did they not play the backup fly half? Tamati Tua had been with the team and subbed Falcon in a couple of games. one could argue it was asking too much of Perofeta to fly in and slot in at short notice. also if u watch the match closely , u will notice he was not the main playmaker. most of it was done by Enari or full back Jordan. he just kicked the ball and missed like 5 kicks at the posts.

what you mean the same England team that was missing 1/2 its team because they were in argentina winning the series 2-0

And they were captained by a kiwi, becoming a trend up there.

Comment on England having 14 top players missing from the final. In the Six Nations U20 tournament, England beat Ireland by 4 points. In the World Championships just held, New Zealand score 60 points plus against England, Ireland and Italy. Destroys any excuses for England's huge loss. Maybe your missing 14 included players not up to standard?

Actually, I thought the Baby Black pack destroyed England. They completely dominated the scrums, made huge meters all game with ball in hand, scored nine of the ten tries and their clean-outs at ruck-time were simply exemplary. England had a big pack but apart from the try scored by the flanker, they went nowhere all day.

You are aware NZ were missing a number of key players,incl. the likes of Reiko Ioane and Jordie Barrett.Read somewhere NZ were missing up to 9 front line players. So,it was swings and roundabouts,mate.

That may be the case. But they were also smoke & mirrors when we lost them in the past.

Yet where did they finish last year? 5th. In 2014 they were 3rd. It's not like it's complete dominance every year. This year they did put on a masterclass though.

The same team that finished 2nd.