List management the coach-killer at Collingwood

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Nathan Buckley’s position as coach of the Collingwood Football Club has been one of the biggest stories in football since before he even had the job.

After a stellar playing career, Buckley was Collingwood’s (and Eddie McGuire’s) favourite son and widely accepted as having one of the finest football minds in the game.

He was to be a sought after senior coach thanks to his outstanding pedigree, high character, and impressive public communications.

In essence, McGuire was terrified that Buckley would be lost to the Magpies. He thus manufactured an agreement that would see Buckley take over as senior coach from Mick Malthouse at the end of the 2011 season, after a couple of years as an assistant.

The fall from grace since has been slow, but remarkably steady. From taking over a grand final side that was the 11th oldest list in the competition in 2011 and full of potential, Buckley has led Collingwood to a series of seasons where each year’s win tally has been lower than the last – 17, 14, 11, 10, 9.

They have won five games in 2017, and are long odds to go higher than 2016’s figure. It has been an inexorable decline.

Here’s the thing about the Magpies in Buckley’s time in charge – they’ve drafted too many average players, and more than that, they’ve actively sought average players from other clubs. Hence, they are mired in mediocrity.

Let’s look back in a year-by-year breakdown of who has walked in the door.

Year 1 – 2012
Collingwood gave up their first pick to GWS to get access to Jamie Elliott and welcome Marty Clarke back to the club after a return to his native Ireland. They also brought in Jackson Paine, Corey Gault, Jarrod Witts and Peter Yagmoor.

Clarke, Gault and Yagmoor were complete busts.

Witts is showing the type of honest ruckman that he is up at the Gold Coast, but he could never establish himself at the Pies with Brodie Grundy a young star. Witts’ exit gave Collingwood the draft picks they needed to secure father-sons Callum Brown and Josh Daicos, so that looks like a win-win.

Paine was no good, and couldn’t even provide any value when traded out for Patrick Karnezis, who was a dud as well.

Elliott is a dead-set gun, and is one of Collingwood’s most important few players. Still, he is only one lonely tick from the first draft class of Buckley’s reign. It was the only year the Pies didn’t bring in players from other clubs.

Year 2 – 2013
Collingwood were loaded going into the 2012 draft. Three top 20 selections after a top-four finish meant both the present and the future looked incredibly bright.

Brodie Grundy, Ben Kennedy and Tim Broomhead were taken with the Pies’ trio of picks at 18, 19 and 20. Grundy is a clear win, having become one of the best ruckmen in the competition.

Kennedy has gone from fringe player at the Pies to a non-event at Melbourne, but his departure at the end of 2015 saw Jeremy Howe acquired, so that draft pick was an ultimate success. Broomhead is yet to establish himself after five years on the list.

Jackson Ramsey was drafted at pick 38, and has played in Round 1 three times for Collingwood, and is thus clearly rated internally. But he has only played 17 games in five years and has already been dropped four times this season, so his career looks at the crossroads.

Marley Williams has been and gone, with nothing in return. Quinten Lynch, Clinton Young and Jordan Russell were brought in from other clubs. None served with any distinction, and all are now gone. What was the point?

Year 3 – 2014
Collingwood were sliding down the ladder, but the premium picks kept on coming, with two top 10 selections in the 2013 draft.

Matthew Scharenberg was taken at pick six and has played eight games in his four seasons, having been cursed by injuries. He still looks likely to make the grade if his body can hold up. Nathan Freeman was taken at pick 10, and has since gone to St Kilda, but is yet to play a senior game.

To get eight games out of a possible 162 from two top ten draft picks is a huge blow.

There was a huge influx of players outside of these high draft picks. Tom Langdon and Jonathon Marsh were taken late. Langdon reads the play well, and has also been injured after a bright start to his career, but has question marks over his decision-making and skill with ball in hand. Marsh is no longer at the club.

Four recycled players came to the Pies – Taylor Adams, Jesse White, Patrick Karnezis and Tony Armstrong. It’s not an illustrious list.

Adams is a bit of a symbol for Collingwood’s time under Buckley – an absolute work horse who gives his all, but whose kicking continues to let him and his side down.

White has long been a whipping boy, and it seems his cards have been marked. Karnezis and Armstrong are gone.

Year 4 – 2015
Another year. Another draft of multiple first round picks. Another two selections in the top ten.

Admittedly, one of them was compensation for losing Dayne Beams, one of the elite players in the competition, and just as importantly a highly skilled user of the ball, which the football world were beginning to realise the Pies had in short supply. Unfortunately, the Collingwood football department did not.

Jordan De Goey was taken at pick five, and Darcy Moore was a father-son selection at pick nine. Both look like they’ll spend a decade or more at the Pies, and can be considered wins.

Brayden Maynard was taken at pick 30 in the 2014 draft, and at the time of writing has played 33 consecutive games at senior level. He produces more heart attacks in Collingwood supporters than they would like thanks to his glaring clangers, but experience should reduce those, and he’s on track.

Matthew Goodyear was taken at pick 48 and played two games before being jettisoned.

More recycling was taking place, and the Pies brought in Jack Crisp as part of the Beams deal with Brisbane, Levi Greenwood from North, and Travis Varcoe from Geelong as part of letting Heritier Lumumba go to Melbourne.

Crisp and Greenwood were basically the same player, even down to their preferred kicking foot – pressuring, run-with type midfielders with below average skills. This was a killer in list management strategy, given that a lack of class was already a glaring hole in the squad.

Crisp at least had youth on his side, and was entitled to develop. Greenwood was coming off a career peak that was likely to be an outlier and has turned out that way, and the Pies were buying at the highest possible point.

Varcoe addressed the lack of rebounding skill the Pies had, but he, like Greenwood, had a troubled injury history, and both have brought those problems with them. Varcoe was never a high possession winner or huge influencer, and so it has proven at Collingwood despite playing some nice footy early, averaging less than 16 touches a game.

Year 5 – 2016
Adam Treloar was the story for Collingwood heading into 2016, the biggest name recruit in Buckley’s time at the helm, and a player who was supposed to propel the Pies back up the ladder. It hasn’t happened.

Treloar can be one of the most explosive players in the AFL, and every year we see him burst out of stoppages, run and bounce before ramming home goals from outside fifty. But he can be both panicked and lazy by foot, which his side simply can’t afford given how often he gets the ball.

Brayden Sier was taken at pick 32 in the 2015 draft, but is yet to be seen. Tom Phillips was pick 58 and looks a win at this stage given he has established himself already as a hard runner with good skills. Rupert Wills and Ben Crocker were other late picks that have had some exposure at senior level. Wills won’t make it. Crocker might.

Jeremy Howe came to the club along with Treloar, and has been a clear winner in his half-back position as one of Collingwood’s most consistent players since his arrival.

James Aish also came in, from Brisbane, amid much publicity. His hasn’t justified his original selection as a top 10 pick at the Lions, and is a soft outside player who doesn’t get much of the ball. The Pies gave up two mid-second round picks for him, and have lost out on the deal.

2017 – Year 6
It’s obviously too early to assess the draftees in their first year on the list, but the story of the most recent off-season was Collingwood once again going down the track of recruiting tried players from other clubs.

Chris Mayne was signed on a big four-year deal, and in my Collingwood season preview I wrote that he “will go down as one of the worst four-year signings in the history of football, if not the history of sport”. I stand by every word.

Daniel Wells played about 40 per cent of matches in his last three years at North, yet was signed to a three-year deal despite being 32 at the start of this season. He’s played, yep, 40 per cent of the games so far in 2017, and that percentage isn’t going to be any higher by Round 23.

Lynden Dunn came across from Melbourne, with an abject sense of timing as far as his career is concerned. He’s a jobber, as far as key position defenders go. Will Hoskin-Elliott has been the success story, playing career-best football. At the least, the Pies were due to get an injury-riddled crock on the park consistently. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Summary
Recycling rejects has been a trademark of Buckley’s time as senior coach of Collingwood, and frankly the list management has been abhorrent.

Across 2013-14, seven players were brought in from other clubs, for six clear failures. That sort of strike rate kills coaches, given it means they are actively bringing in list cloggers.

In terms of the draft in those years, we’re looking at one rock solid win in that period, from five top 20 picks and ten selections used overall. There should be a host of players entering the prime of their careers and shaping games in their fourth and fifth seasons, but instead there is only Brodie Grundy.

They are the two years that have crippled Nathan Buckley.

The decision-making to bring in injury-riddled players from other clubs has been another coach-killer. Buckley must wear the blame for those decisions.

When you draft kids that end up having injury problems, that can be lived with. You hope the rewards come as their bodies mature. When you actively bring in players that have a long history of missing games, while you have some injury-prone kids on your list, then you’re just asking for trouble. You don’t get to cry poor when the inevitable happens.

In terms of gameday coaching, Buckley’s teams have possessed the ball more the further down the ladder they have fallen. Given how unreliable by foot so many of their players are, this is a recipe for disaster. They are simply providing more chances to turn the ball over without gaining any ground in the meantime.

Taylor Adams, despite his dodgy disposal, has been asked to play a more outside game in recent weeks, all of them losses. He’s a clearance and contested ball winner by trade. That’s bad coaching.

Indirect ball movement and over-possession can be linked to having barely one AFL-standard key forward to call on. Even then, Darcy Moore is being asked to shoulder too much too soon in his career, and anyway, he is more Jack Watts than Jesse Hogan.

Again, list management.

The fall of Collingwood, when it seemed on the verge of a dynasty, is almost complete. It has been orchestrated from within, and looking back, has been so calculated that it’s as if a double agent from Carlton, Richmond or Essendon has been pulling the strings.

Hawthorn won three premierships in a row thanks to a gameplan geared toward pristine kicking skills. At the same time, Collingwood were bringing in both draftees and recruits whom Alastair Clarkson wouldn’t let in the door.

Collingwood’s list failure has been systemic, and Nathan Buckley will pay the price.

The Crowd Says:

2017-09-06T12:42:10+00:00

Jason

Guest


Spot on, as is your original article and several previous comments. There are 4 dimensions at play: 1. The dreadful track record of 'ins' 2. Even worse is the Buckley inspired record of 'outs' - a young star studded list was systematically dismantled 3. The game plan has gone from non-existent for Buckley's first few years (not apparent anyway) to more defined but mismatched to the capability and make up of the list 4. Game day coaching - I don't back myself as having much clue on game day moves as I get absorbed watching the performance of the team and flow of the game, but sometimes things are glaringly obvious and when I watch the replay, sure enough the expert commentators are saying what I was thinking - and I wonder why Bucks either doesn't make the obvious change or waits till the game is list to do so. Does he make a lot of good moves? Sure! But his win-loss is drifting to below 50% and statistical evidence suggests he is not in the top 8 coaches... how can the team accept mediocrity? The 2 year deal Bucks now has does not make sense - we are at least 3 years away from being successful (finals) even if a lot goes right. Deal should have been 4 years or nothing. 2 says "were not sure".

2017-08-02T13:53:15+00:00

pieman

Guest


If Nathan Buckley coaches collingwood next year im giving up footy. And if ed continues his pigheadedness i hope it comes back to bite him hard.

2017-07-21T00:46:14+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


Slugger.....it happens all the time. Examples: Mitchell and Lewis Harvey, Petrie, Firrito Stevie J and Bartel at cats Secondly, Dawes a failure at Melbourne, Jolly and Didak nominated for the draft and weren't taken even as insurance, Lumumba champion Pies player but failure at Melbourne, Cloke champion bloke but failure so far at Dogs, Wellingham one good season at WC and the pick secured Brodie Grundy, Daisy pies champion and great bloke but failure at Blues, Beams - wanted to go home to his sick dad. The only one that hurts was on Heath Shaw who repeatedly ignored coaches instruction and we got a future Pies captain in Tay Adams.

2017-07-15T01:08:20+00:00

Chris

Guest


One last commnet I would like to make. Please sign up Levi Casboult at year's end on a three year deal. Sell Jesse White, Chris Mayne and Jarry Blair. Moreover, get Kelly, Hopper and play Schade consistently so that he gets his form and develops confidence as a key defender. Then use your draft picks to pick up talls and you're in the eight in 2018!!!

2017-07-13T02:55:17+00:00

Chris

Guest


Mark Williams would do the job with fire and passion too!!! Perhaps we should get back to our roots and forget the obsession with outsiders....Getting somebody who had Matthews and Hafey as mentors....you can't go wrong.

2017-07-13T02:41:01+00:00

Chris

Guest


I just saw Buckley addreess the media and felt that there was a sense of inevitability in the tone of his voice. I believe that Gary Pert has already told the playing group that nobody is going anywhere and that a new coach has been identified. So, please don´t continue with the tripe you've been serving up until the new takeover is official and try to win as many games as possible for this poor bloke who has been a great servant to the club.He seems to be resigned to his fate and has let the whole world know how he feels and how he has been treated. Any comments gentlemen???? http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2017-07-11/buckley-addresses-the-media Roos? Odds on? Buckley? Dark horse or scapegoat? Brad Scott? I am resigning right here and now........No more Maggies for me....... Clarkson? Too banal for my liking...Arrogant and highly-strung.... Bomber Thompson? Could do the trick but he's been away from things for too long... Scott Burns? A real fighter who could bring back some spirit to the team and keep all the Croweaters in the Maggies nest given his Norwood background. Robert Harvey? He has done very well with the backline this year given its lack of experience and youth... Gavin Brown? He would do the job for nothing and the whole team would be playing for their stripes even though he was always known as ROWDY...The quiet ones can surprise at times... People's Choice? Gavin Brown by the length of the Flemington Straight.....He would make shape things up pretty quickly and wouldn't cost a damn fortune like some of the others either...

2017-07-12T19:01:45+00:00

Tricky

Guest


Oh he can coach........................ if you have a team full of AA's who bend over backwards to play the way he wants them to. Right there is the crux of his ability - I'm sure he's got it he's just too stubborn and it's all "my way or the highway" just ask Ben Hart. He won't take on ideas or theories from his panel let alone constructive criticism Successful coaches like MM, Clarko, Bevo the list goes on study their group's individual strengths and uses those to the teams advantage. We've seen glimpses of Buckley's game plan when it works and without being flippant is impressive and nigh on difficult to defeat however is equally taxing and difficult to execute and impossible over 4 quarters let alone a season.

2017-07-12T18:52:28+00:00

Tricky

Guest


If the stars align Brisbane could win the flag next year too

2017-07-12T18:48:14+00:00

Tricky

Guest


Alas we did have 10 years ago

2017-07-12T18:45:03+00:00

Tricky

Guest


So now you have the inside word at Melbourne as well, not just Geelong,Carlton and St Kilda, anyone else?

2017-07-12T17:31:07+00:00

Tricky

Guest


Yeah PD this could be a very attractive position for an incoming coach, just a couple of KPP's and some GOOD list development (coaching panel rework) away from optimism. However! Be warned incoming coach - along with the resources the list potential and notoriety comes the unrelenting microscopic pressure!

2017-07-12T13:37:18+00:00

Tricky

Guest


"If you want to know what I think about Buckley remaining coach at Collingwood my answer is I don’t care" Yes you do, you want bucks to stay in fact all non Collingwood supporters want him to stay

2017-07-12T13:27:04+00:00

Tricky

Guest


"Look at St Kilda at round 19, 2009….undefeated and headed to three grand finals in two years. What happened at the Saints since? No one screams they dismantled a premiership team" You need to do some more research mate, St kilda were for memory the oldest or 2nd oldest and we were 10th or 11th oldest - pretty young. That's why no one was screaming about dismantling a possible flag team; they'd been up and about from 04-05

2017-07-12T11:37:18+00:00

slugger

Guest


Fully agree with Pieman. Everybody with a sound mind has to agree that Buckley cant coach. Furthermore, Buckley has never had the EQ for coaching, there is a history of not treating players well, prime examples Cloke, Jolly, Didak, Shaw, Dawes....its is quite obvious as well that Beames, Wellingham, Thomas and Swan did not have a great relationship with him. Some will argue that some of these players were at the end of their careers and were not going to get another game, still they should of being treated with more respect. If Buckley and Eddie were truly Collingwood men, as they say they are, they would both resign in the next two weeks, and would allow the club to start a new exciting chapter. I doubt either of them would have the courage or nobility to do so.

2017-07-12T11:07:47+00:00

pieman

Guest


2 Jokes 1/Buckley is a good coach 2/And Eddie is humble enough to admit he made a big mistake. Honestly i think Buckley shouldve coached another club... at Collingwood he had played footy with some of these players which he happily moved on like beams, shaw, lumumba, Thomas the succesion plot alienated the players who played for Mick.... Bucks dismantled a great team just to have a crack at coaching.... understandibly ... thats where mr ed and Gary (no back bone) Pert need to accept full responsibility for this debacle. I dont agree that Buckley is a good coach... if he was he would leave now to give another coach a shot at preparing the pies for next season. But now he will coach a pointless 7 rounds ..... supposedly keeping focus on footy. I dont get it, why leave him there? Nathan if you leave before you are rightfully moved on people might respect you more.

2017-07-12T10:42:17+00:00

Kavvy

Guest


That's wildly wrong Resrvoir Animal, the effort is clearly there, meaning they are playing for him, they just aren't that great (foot skills being the number 1,2 and 3 issue)

2017-07-12T09:18:08+00:00

JD

Guest


That's really interesting. I actually didn't know that was how it worked.

2017-07-12T09:14:22+00:00

JD

Guest


Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. Every first year Business or Commerce student in the land can spot the connection between culture and sustained success. The AFL is no different.

2017-07-12T02:16:13+00:00

Chris

Guest


I support Tottenham in England but these comments made are very pertinent to Collingwood and Buckley. The anti-Wenger lobby even hired plane and a banner to protest against this man. Result? Reappointed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tk5P7kUkIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i-JrQI6hWQ I hate Arsenal but love Troopz. The guy is pure passion like us Maggies....Collingwood will reappoint Buckley worst luck. The Arsenal Board appointed Wenger while all their rival fans had been chanting Arsene please don´t go!The comments by Troopz apply to Collingwood! Please view and take note....

2017-07-12T02:13:23+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


Pieman 5 years is a big call. Richmond supporters said the same thing last year, calling for Hardwicks head... and now they're a chance for top 4 where anything can happen. If the stars align for the Pies next year and a tweak of the list, maybe get a Reid or a Tippett....top 4 is possible for the pies in 2018.

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