Collingwood, sometimes I think you want to fail

By Tim Gore / Expert

It was with a sense of bewilderment that I heard Collingwood Football Club had re-signed coach Nathan Buckley for another two seasons.

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Even after 40 seasons of witnessing constant stupidity at my beloved club, stunned doesn’t begin to describe my incredulity and anger at such a dreadful move.

I immediately hit the comments board to spout my vitriol among those of the gleeful haters who were reveling joyously in the knowledge that the Magpies would not be a force in the AFL again anytime soon.

Despite all my rage, and that of the tens of thousands of Pies members who are similarly mystified by this, there is nothing we can do to change it. But I couldn’t let my comments die buried on a message board. My voice of dissent and evidence-based logic must be heard.

If history is a guide, the only way Collingwood’s present fortunes will change is when we win another wooden spoon. That’s the only way we ever change: when we hit rock bottom.

This ludicrous decision to reappoint Buckley is the epitome of my Collingwood. In the history of the mighty Magpies, our worst and most dedicated enemy has not been Carlton but ourselves.

Only we can truly destroy us.

We repeatedly make the same stupid decisions based on misguided loyalty to past greats. For whatever reason, whether it is factionalism, cronyism, in fighting or incompetence – or a mixture of all of them – Collingwood never does well with ex-players as coach. They only do well when non-Collingwood people are at the helm.

Yet we constantly fail to learn this lesson and keep going back to the well of our club champions, and the inevitable dismal failure that they bring.

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Just have a look at this timeline:

1975 – Appoint club legend Murray Weidemann as coach. Finished fifth. Eliminated first week of finals.
1976 – ‘Win’ first ever wooden spoon.
1977 – Appoint first ever non-ex player as coach in Tommy Hafey. Tie the grand final versus North Melbourne (lose the replay).
1978 – Lost preliminary final to North Melbourne.
1979 – Lost grand final to Carlton.
1980 – Lost grand final to Richmond.
1981 – Lost grand final to Carlton.
1982 – Hafey sacked mid-season following nine straight losses. Replaced by ex-Magpie Mick Erwin. Finish third last.
1983 – Ex-Port Adelaide player John Cahill appointed coach. Finish sixth.
1984 – Lost preliminary final to Essendon. Cahill returns to coach in SANFL.
1985 – Beloved ex-Player and coach Bob Rose appointed coach at 57 years of age. Finish sixth.
1986 – Rose resigns after losing first three rounds and is replaced by Hawthorn legend Leigh Matthews. Pies win 12 of last 19 games to just miss finals on percentage.
1987 – Win only seven games for the season and finish third last.
1988 – Finish in second place after home-and-away season. Lose both finals.
1989 – Finish fifth and are knocked out in first week of finals.
1990 – Win first premiership for 32 years.
1991 – Finish seventh and outside the finals. Darren Millane dies in car crash in October.
1992 – Finish third. Eliminated by St Kilda.
1993 – Finish eighth and miss finals. Nathan Buckley joins club.
1994 – Finish eighth and eliminated in first week of finals.
1995 – Finish tenth. Matthews sacked and club champion Tony Shaw appointed as his successor.
1996 – Finish 11th and miss finals.
1997 – Finish tenth and miss finals.
1998 – Finish 14th and miss finals.
1999 – Win second ever wooden spoon. Former Richmond player, and Footscray and West Coast clipboard holder Mick Malthouse appointed coach for 2000 season.
2000 – Finish 15th and miss finals.
2001 – Finish ninth and miss finals.
2002 – Lose grand final to Brisbane Lions.
2003 – Lose grand final to Brisbane Lions.
2004 – Finish 13th and miss finals.
2005 – Finish 15th and miss finals.
2006 – Finish fifth. Knocked out in first week of finals.
2007 – Finish sixth. Lose preliminary final to eventual premiers Geelong by five points.
2008 – Finish eighth. Knocked out in second week of finals.
2009 – Lose preliminary final to eventual premiers Geelong.
2010 – Win 15th premiership in grand final replay.
2011 – Lose grand final to Geelong. Club champion Buckley becomes coach.
2012 – Lose preliminary final to Sydney Swans.
2013 – Finished sixth. Knocked out in first week of finals.
2014 – Finished 11th after losing eight of last 11 games.
2015 – Finished 12th and miss finals.
2016 – Finished 12th and miss finals.
2017 – Finished 13th and miss finals for fourth straight year. Reappoint Buckley for two years.

Now look at that in chart form:

Ex-Collingwood players as coach Non-Collingwood person as coach
Won
grand final
0 2
Played in drawn grand final 0 2
Played in losing grand final 0 7
Made finals 4/17 (23.5%) 19/26 (73%)
Missed finals 13/17 (76.5%) 7/26 (27%)
Wooden spoon 2 0

That’s damning stuff. Excuse the pun, but it’s all there in black and white.

100 per cent of all Collingwood’s grand final appearances since 1975 – that’s 43 seasons – have been with non-Collingwood men at the helm.

Over that time, 71.4 per cent of the Pies’ finals appearances have been during the 26 seasons with non-Collingwood men at the helm. 60 per cent of the time that the Magpies have missed the finals it has been during the 17 seasons that an ex-player was coach. 100 per cent of the time that Collingwood has got the wooden spoon has been with ex-Magpies as coach.

This pattern is so clear I’m at a total loss as to why the Collingwood board hasn’t woken up to it and taken action.

I knew it in 2011, when Eddie McGuire pushed Malthouse out and replaced him with the totally untried Buckley.

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Collingwood has now missed the finals for four consecutive years. That’s the sort of thing that I expect from St Kilda, North Melbourne, Brisbane or the Western Bulldogs. I do not expect it from the biggest and richest sporting club in Australia.

Following a full review into the club by Geoff Walsh, the powers that be have reappointed Buckley for two more years. It is enough to make me vomit with anger.

There is zero, nada, niente, nil excuse for missing the finals four years straight. Yet these clowns are acting like it’s all just fine, returning a man with the apparent strategic and tactical abilities of a banana to the helm.

Not only do the boys in black and white have no working gameplan, their skills have gone backwards. Their kicking, marking and hand passing is better suited to the VFL – which is where most of our recent raft of bizarre draft picks have been plying their trade.

Whoever thought Lynden Dunn or Chris Mayne were good pick-ups should just start running now. And then we signed up injury prone 30 something Daniel Wells from North Melbourne for some bizarre reason. Surprise, surprise: he’s spent most of the year injured!

It’s time for Walsh and Hine to go if they think this trade strategy is anything but dreadful.

All the other clubs are laughing at us because they just can’t believe how stupid and inept we are. I don’t blame them. It is a joke.

Our theme song right now shouldn’t be ‘Good old Collingwood forever’, it should be the Benny Hill music.

And I’d find it funny if it wasn’t all so imbecilic and amateur.

Yet there are those who demand that the disenfranchised supporters, like myself, should blindly follow our club, no matter how badly things are going, and stand by the clowns running the place into the ground because “it’s what real Collingwood people do…”

I pay $250 a year to be an interstate social club member. The last three seasons I haven’t even managed to get to a game in Melbourne, but I keep paying my membership. Why? Because, as much as I hate the Collingwood Football Club for how upset they make me, I adore my side to my very core.

I wish I didn’t, but I do. Side by side we do stick together. And I have. And I will.

But understand this: if you want to go along being a happy little lemming while we follow this pack of idiots off the cliff, go right ahead. However, as I’m plunging off the precipice behind you, I intend to give the leaders the very sharp edge of my tongue and tell them what’s what.

That is my right. It what Collingwood needs.

We have now missed the finals for four straight years. That is abject failure. I won’t accept it.

Reappointing Buckley now is an insult to the members of the club. And if the only reason you did was because you couldn’t find anyone better, then it’s time to get out and let someone who can do the job.

I expect the highest level of professionalism and good business decisions from my club of 40 years.

We are the biggest and richest club – of any sporting type – in Australia. Four years straight missing the finals is unacceptable. Inexcusable.

I demand a coach who can coach. I demand recruiters who get great talent in. And I especially demand a president and board who demand that it happens – and when it doesn’t happen, roll the heads and replace them with competent people who can bring our precious club back to glory.

Floreat Pica.

The Crowd Says:

2018-09-21T02:47:12+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


I did and I was totally right, Tim totally wrong, go figure.

2018-09-21T02:40:56+00:00

Magpieman17

Guest


Well maybe its time that history is changed, we are a different team, we are playing fro each other and for the coach.

2017-09-02T05:33:04+00:00

Geoff Schaefer

Guest


Eddie and Bucks. The gift that just keeps on giving...

2017-09-02T00:59:46+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


The Scribe called it a 'secret rebuild' and an obviously embarrassed Eddie called it a"mini rebuild'. Who are they kidding? Absolutely no evidence to support that theory, if you're buying that you're very naive!

2017-09-01T23:20:13+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Yes, Scribe. He called it 'a mini rebuild' and was seemingly embarrassed to do so. What a joke! Collingwood had no more of a rebuild than the average mediocre side. Have a look at your 'list changes' in that period. Hardly indicative of a 'rebuild'. Just another excuse.

2017-09-01T12:13:01+00:00

Mark

Guest


Embarrassing really.

2017-09-01T11:55:03+00:00

Mark

Guest


Shut up

2017-09-01T10:40:46+00:00

Kane

Guest


Gee what a bloke to have coach of ur team. Comes out today and says that "they mixed a few things up in the Chris Mayne recruitment and they've got a lot of thinking to do about where they go with it". What an arrogant prick. The blokes got 3 year's to run on his contract (which Collingwood offered and signed off on) and now his coach is looking at ways of getting rid of him. Great leader of young men this Buckley is.

AUTHOR

2017-09-01T10:39:24+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


and i'll admit that you can be very humorous!

AUTHOR

2017-09-01T10:35:23+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


agreed. it aggrieves me that people expect us to sit down and shut up. i didn't want bucks to be coach because i feared this. i hoped he'd succeed though. and i gave him the benefit until the end of the 2015 season. its just not happening. we keep betting on the same slow horse and it doesn't matter how much we loved him as a player the club comes first.

2017-09-01T10:22:01+00:00

Mark

Guest


Self-appointed expert...you know stuff all and it's embarrassing.

AUTHOR

2017-09-01T10:20:35+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


I thought I was the only one who hated seeing Liam Picken in another jersey. It has never say right with me. But i guess the Tigers had to watch Travis with us... I think you've nailed it to. Recruitment is a huge problem. I too hope Wells injuries come good because when he plays we win. I hope Buckley comes good! I hope we smash the field next year and win the cup and Nathan makes me do laps of Vic Park in my undies with "I'm a total idiot " written on my back and front. If that is what it takes to return us to glory i'll do it.

2017-09-01T07:02:10+00:00

Mike Huber

Roar Pro


Dr W You are clutching at straws with your assertion "South Australia frequently bested Victoria " . Victoria has dominated SA by a considerable margin on win/loss ratio , dating all the way back to the 1870's . It's not surprising as demographically , culturally, spiritually and economically Victoria is the home of Aussie Rules. How you come to equate Bathhurst as an national institution is funny - most Australians don't watch the race as is corroborated by its tv ratings . Similarly , most Aussies are not emotionally or mentally invested in the race. Unlike the Melbourne Cup , it does not cultivate big interest , especially with women . A sport does not have to be fawned on nationally to be considered an institution - it's history , culture , membership and supporters manifest it's sanctity.

2017-09-01T06:28:24+00:00

Arthur Castles

Guest


Hi Tim, Just me again pushing ahead with more comment. Even though I do not agree with your original comment I like the way you have handled some of your ridiculous critics. Another reason Magpies havent advanced since 2010 is that sons of former players such as Picken Kelly, and Stewart have finished up at WBD(for a flag)Adelaide(a flag favourite)and Essendon(in finals) What happened with any negotiations with these players' managers?!!!! We should be trying to emulate clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong.What are they doing re recruitment Collingwood isnt?? Finally I must say Wells is one of the most skilled players ever to come to the Magpies, however why did our Recruiters sign him up when he had an injury prone reputation? I hope he can stay on the park for the whole year in 2018!!

2017-09-01T03:30:19+00:00

Rhonda

Guest


My thoughts exactly, I am sick of being told I am not a loyal supporter because I think Buckley is not the man for the job. I pay my membership each year and am entitled to have my say. Unfortunately it is now the McGuire-Buckley show!!

2017-09-01T03:00:29+00:00

PCA

Guest


Statistics have proven that GWS and Gold Coast have had no Premiership success by employing outsiders as coach. Soon as they recognize these indisputable factual statistics the better. Gary Ablett Jr should be appointed Capt/Coach of Gold Coast and Stevie Johnson at GWS

2017-09-01T00:50:49+00:00

Gungadin

Guest


This article isnt about statistics. Its about opinion, Tim has chosen to support his opinion with some empirical evidence to support his opinion. If you accept that the history of the Club since a great coach Tommy Hafey took over is correct, then it makes sense. If you dont agree then correct him, tell us where he has made an error. As I have said, this article is an opinion written on an opinion based site. You may know that everone has an opinion, just as we have ..... (a nose). If you simply want to cheer on Collingwood and support them, thats fine. But, if you want engage in a discussion, discourse, an argument; then leave the vitriol out of it. As in my previous posts, I completely agree with Tim's assessment. Its my opnion, based on a life long love of Collingwood and a concern that there appears to me to be a lack of accountability in the decision making. Just like Tim I hope I am wrong, but rain, hail or shine I will be cheering along with the rest of us. There is only Collingwood

2017-08-31T23:54:18+00:00

FLOSSY

Roar Rookie


"IF" your Aunty had (you know what) she would be your uncle. I can't believe all the negative stuff written BEFORE next season even starts. GO PIES GIVE IT TO THEM (all the knockers) and let us climb up the ladder again in 2018.

AUTHOR

2017-08-31T21:25:13+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


Strewth... I've been living a lie all this time... It's all been a lie. I can't believe I've insulted everyone by using such flimsy records to argue my hypothesis. What a fool I've been. Such a damned fool. If only I'd done a few standard deviations and regressions. But it's too late now. Everything I've ever said is wrong. A sham. I'm going to have to give all the money I've been paid back and hope I don't get sued for making false and misleading statements. But at least I won't have to live a lie anymore. Thank you Dr Wildacre for setting me free. Thank god for you...

2017-08-31T19:25:02+00:00

Dr Wildare

Guest


Providing statistics to commentators while sports matches are underway does not I repeat does not make you a statistician. Neither does the keeping of statistics. A statistician interprets and analyses statistics this includes calculations on the statistical relevance of information. You Tim have made no attempt to show the validity of your sample or provided calculations to support your analysis.

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