Five talking points from Richmond Tigers vs Geelong Cats second qualifying final

By Josh / Expert

Did last night really happen? For the first time in many years, we’re waking up in a world where the Richmond Tigers are finals winners, and the excitement is infectious. Here’s my five talking points from the match.

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Tigers win an epic arm wrestle
Richmond’s 2017 has become known for the excellent pressure that the Tigers put on their opponents, and they took this to a whole new level on Friday night.

The first three quarters of the match was an intense arm wrestle. Geelong sweated and strained and did everything they could to get the other blokes to budge – but they would not.

In the end, Richmond choked the life out of the Cats. Their relentless physical presence around the ball left them battered and broken.

The margin was only 12 points at quarter-time, nine at half-time, and thirteen at the final break.

But when the last quarter started it was apparent that Geelong had fired all their shots, amounting to little, and the tank had run bone dry.

It was a bold strategy for the Tigers to pursue. Whichever team broke first would wind up looking sore and sorry. But they can proudly say it was not them.

Can they keep it up for another eight quarters of footy? Will a side like Adelaide or Sydney break down like the Cats did, or be up for the fight? Only time will tell.

For now though, Richmond have broken their finals duck, and they did it in emphatic style, frankly embarrassing a side that has been one of the best of the era.

After sixteen years of waiting, the Tigers once again remember what it is to be mighty.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Chris Scott’s finals record gets worse and worse
Chris Scott achieved something remarkable in his first year as coach of Geelong, taking the club all the way to the premiership with three straight wins in finals.

In the six years he has led the club since, the Cats have played nine finals, and they have won only two – one of them a semi-final after losing a qualifier in 2013, the other a lucky escape thanks to Isaac Smith’s after-the-siren mix last year.

It is honestly a little baffling, and it’s hard to put one’s finger on just why the Cats have been consistently able to make it September, but so rarely able to have an impact there.

There’s a puzzle here to be solved, and unless they can pull off a serious turnaround in the next few weeks, that will be Geelong’s No.1 priority over the off-season.

Hey Prestia! New recruit comes good at the best possible time
Tigers fans have grown at little restless with the form of new Richmondite Dion Prestia at times in 2017, and questioned on occasion whether pick No.6 in the draft was really the right price to pay.

Perhaps he hasn’t starred in the way some might have hoped, but having him in the mix has done wonders for Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin.

And of course, after so much of a battle with injury in past years it was really no surprise that it took him some time to build into his best form – now he is hitting his straps at the absolute right time.

31 touches and a goal on Friday night was close to the best game he has played for the club, and Richmond fans should expect plenty more like it as he will only get better.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Cats pay the price for not investing in kids
I’m a firm believer in the idea that the best teams in the league can divide themselves into three parts – a veteran core, a strong middle tier, and quality youth. Each has their role to play.

The middle tier is the backbone of the team. They play in the key positions, they do the bulk of the heavy lifting every week.

The veteran core provide the experience, composure and class that you can only gain by being in the game for a decade or more.

And the youth – they keep the wheel turning. They provide excitement, enthusiasm, and that little bit of pressure to keeping working hard for your spot in the side.

Geelong have traded away three first round picks in a row to secure the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Lachie Henderson and Zach Tuohy.

No one is doubting that all three have been fine additions to the club – but they’ve robbed them of having any real exciting youth to play that role.

Brandan Parfitt and Zach Guthrie were first-year players in the side for the Cats on Friday night, and they did not embarrass themselves.

However, you look at the role that Daniel Rioli and friends play in Richmond’s forward line and you can see where the spark comes from that is the heart of the Richmond gameplan – Geelong do have kids, but they don’t have kids like that.

Instead, Geelong has players like Tom Stewart and Sam Menegola, state-leaguers brought in to fill the gaps, or Tom Lonergan and Andrew Mackie, who’ve both had so-so years but still command a spot perhaps on respect alone.

A few changes and some fresh young faces might go a long way towards revitalising the Geelong Football Club.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Tigers at the big dance? The door’s wide open
A qualifying final always has plenty at stake, but this one seemingly more than most, with the winner given a clear and straightforward path to the grand final.

Richmond now know that they will need to beat one of GWS, Port Adelaide or West Coast to go to the last Saturday of September – and they’ll have a big home ground advantage against whoever it is.

Watching the game on Friday night you could gain a sense of sympathy for Cats fans who knew this was meant to be their home final – it certainly wasn’t.

A Richmond crowd riding high on the wave of success and up against whatever small clutch of interstate supporters make the trip will only be louder and more parochial.

The city of Melbourne itself may be defeaned by the noise made if they indeed do make it all the way to grand final day.

The Crowd Says:

2017-09-11T02:43:42+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Yeah, like they made a lot of difference!

2017-09-10T23:49:21+00:00

DB

Guest


Yeah, who cares about the integrity of the competition when the AFL are just using the rules they have made to their advantage

2017-09-10T07:58:58+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Exactly! I'm really over that rubbish argument from Cats fans and interstate know-alls! Apologies to some who see sense.

2017-09-10T07:54:45+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Are you serious, Kurt??!!! That just is NOT true!

2017-09-10T07:52:08+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


The pressure acts by George were awesome! Goals will come, no danger in getting dropped!

2017-09-10T05:05:55+00:00

David C

Guest


The ticket allocations for finals are based on membership numbers. Even if the game was played at Simonds the number of Richmond fans would have outnumbered the Geelong fans. It's irrelevant where the game was played.

2017-09-10T04:30:58+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Surprised it's taken this long! Great pickup David. There you have it then, Geelong don't have a leg to stand on

2017-09-10T04:09:55+00:00

David C

Guest


Plenty of debate on whether the game should have been played at Simonds or the MCG. Thought I'd post Section 2.7 from the regulations: "Unless the AFL is required to schedule a Qualifying Final at the MCG in order to satisfy its contractual obligations under the MCG Licence Agreement, the Clubs that are placed first and second on the Final Premiership Ladder at the end of the Home and Away Matches shall play the Qualifying Final in which they compete at a venue in the State where the relevant Club is based. " It actually doesn't even mention a club home final for VIC teams or for interstate teams. It just grantees the home team does not have to travel interstate.

2017-09-10T02:41:23+00:00

Philby

Guest


Geelong were very lucky to win a few close ones this year on the back of missed shots by opposing players (Fremantle and Hawthorn). They have two great players who have tried to lift the rest of the team with them, but they just don't have the players. As a Tigers supporter, I was confident we would win, especially after the GFC chose to play the last quarter of the Tiger's loss to Geelong from round 20 (or so) last year on the big screen at the MCG in the lead up to the game. At that time, we were having a dreadful year, we were playing kids who were probably too raw, and our game plan was in disarray, yet we were leading a Geelong team including Jimmy Bartel by 45 points at three quarter time. If the GFC thought they were playing the same team as then, they were absolutely dreaming.

2017-09-10T02:34:49+00:00

Philby

Guest


Yes, good article Josh. I've been very happy with Dion all the way through - having him there made a huge difference to our midfield set up from round 1, and his limited pre-season was always going to affect him earlier on. I think it's about time we started talking of the Tiger's midfield core of Dusty, Cotchin and Prestia. But that would perhaps be disrespectful to Grigg and Lambert, who have just been amazing.

2017-09-09T08:20:30+00:00

Kurt

Guest


'Richmond will have a monumental home-ground/crowd/umpiring advantage against whoever they play in the GF ' This is a completely incorrect statement based upon an ignorance of what the MCG is actually like on GF day. Each team will have roughly 25K supporters, with the remaining 50K being neutrals. The atmosphere at the GF is really nothing like what you saw at the MCG last night, or on prelim final day. I believe that this fundamental misconception is what drives a lot of the nonsense about this topic.

2017-09-09T08:17:21+00:00

Kurt

Guest


The worst thing for the cats is how they've been hosting home finals for literally a century, and then OUT OF NOWEHRE IN A COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED WAY they have to play finals at the MCG. There's simply no way they could expect for that to happen or plan for it in anyway.

2017-09-09T08:15:36+00:00

Kurt

Guest


I think your point re. crowd support at the GF touches on one of the issues why relatively ignorant people go on about how unfair it is for Melbourne teams to have a 'home' GF. The MCG on GF day is as neutral a venue as it's possible to get. I suspect Perth and Adelaide fans look at what it's like at Subi and AO during the home and away season and imagine that Melbourne teams get that advantage on the MCG for the GF, whereas it really is absolutely nothing like that. Roughly 25K dedicated fans for each team, and then a bunch of neutrals. The neutrals may be swayed one way or the other based upon the 'story' of the competing teams - e.g. - the underdog v the reigning champ. But other than that the crowd is a pretty even split.

2017-09-09T08:10:54+00:00

Kurt

Guest


#engageyourbrain

2017-09-09T08:10:28+00:00

Kurt

Guest


#buildmultiple100Kstadiathenletstalk

2017-09-09T08:02:35+00:00

Mattyb

Guest


Ghost,how good was Cotchin,and how brilliant was Dusty? Ran rings over the opposition. Geelong playing Selwood was always an enormous risk that backfired spectacularly,and Dangerwood had a nightmare game. I read somewhere his disposal went at 40%,ouch. It did get to the point that he became a liability,every time he got the ball chances were Richmond were getting it back. Every time Marrin got the ball you knew something good was about to happen.

2017-09-09T08:00:44+00:00

Costa

Guest


2 Wins to go , GO THE MIGHTY TIGERS

2017-09-09T07:43:59+00:00

Brayden Rise

Roar Pro


Has Dusty just got past Danger with that performance last night or was it the Tigers relentless team pressure that broke Dangers effectiveness?

2017-09-09T07:37:36+00:00

BigAl

Guest


Not only did the Cats get shafted by being up against 60,000 - 70,000 Tiger supporters, they also got shafted by being up against the entire CH7 commentary team !

2017-09-09T07:26:50+00:00

Philby

Guest


Oh, the both of you....please! Forget the stats - Castagna is an awesome contributor

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