IQ the next step in the development of Irish rugby, but is it smart?

By Derm / Roar Guru

“So just how strong is Northern Hemisphere rugby – when the likes of Ireland, Scotland and even Britain are basically strip mining the Southern Hemisphere rugby for talent?”

I was reminded of this recent comment on The Roar as various news stories emerged in the last couple of weeks in Ireland and Britain.

First up, the Scottish rugby union announced it was launching a programme to identity Scottish-qualified talent in England, headed up by a specialist team. Many Scottish players are already in France and England with tacit support from their union who can’t afford to keep them, and who need to keep adding to the Scottish pool of players.

Two days later, a media report leaked that the English RFU was planning to complain to World Rugby about other unions targeting and poaching their academy talent without appropriate compensation.

The reaction from their bordering neighbours in Wales and Scotland was near apoplectic as people searched for words to describe the hypocrisy of such an accusation with plenty of pointing fingers in return.

Ireland waited and watched, and then continued making their plans.

This week, Simon Zebo, the 35-cap Irish winger and all time try scorer at Munster said he was leaving at end of season to an unspecified club (but quickly narrowed down to Racing92 in Paris) for a reported salary twice what he currently earns. Just 36 hours later, Joe Schmidt announced his Ireland squad for the November Internationals against South Africa, Fiji and Argentina.

Zebo wasn’t on the list. The message was loud and clear – play outside Ireland at your international Test peril.

In seeking to hold the line on only selecting Irish-qualified players in Ireland over the last five years or so, the IRFU has headed down the slippery slope of qualifying uncapped players through residency. They do so while primarily trying to restrict the number of foreign-capped players in the country whose salaries are becoming increasingly unaffordable compared to their wealthy English and French counterparts and blocking the paths of domestic talent.

Schmidt’s 38-man November squad included four new uncapped players – notably Jacob Stockdale, the rising star winger for Ulster, and Bundee Aki, the Connacht midfielder. Aki is one of two residency qualified players in the squad, the other being CJ Stander.

No surprises really that the Kiwi midfielder has been included in the squad, although his selection for a match-day 23 is not a certainty with much greater depth nationally from when he first arrived in Ireland.

It was all so different when the professional game started in 1995. Ireland couldn’t buy a win for the first five years, losing 70 per cent of their Test matches with a hodgepodge of Irish and English-based players.

(Conor Lawless / Flickr / CC BY 2.0)

The IRFU finally put money into the provinces and got professional. From 2000-2003, Ireland played 47 matches and won 32 of them – a 70 per cent win rate. They beat Australia for the first time since their successful tour down under in 1979. The player names and their foreign club names changed too.

In all, 90 Irish-born players were capped over the next decade with just three parentage players being capped.

And then, Ireland hit a speed bump. The provincial teams had been developing further and further with Munster finally breaking through on the European scene to win the Heineken Cup in 2006. Irish teams won the Heineken Cup five times in the next seven years.

Their success was due in part to the presence of high-profile capped foreign players who had been creeping into club squads over time. The IRFU began to set quotas on the number of foreign players in the three main squads of Ulster, Leinster and Munster. But there was no real plan and position depth continued to suffer at Test level.

Ireland’s performance in Rugby World Cup 2011 and lack of player depth finally pushed the IRFU into more specific action. In December that year, they launched the Player Succession Strategy – a set of “guidelines’ for Ulster, Munster and Leinster to follow in contracting foreign players with a view to developing Irish-qualified players and have at least two Test quality players in every position.

The three provinces (Connacht was excluded as a development province) could only recruit 15 players in total, each representing a playing position. Each province was allowed four non-Irish Eligible players and one ‘special project’ player who could become Irish qualified. If Leinster got a foreign hooker, then the other two couldn’t have one.

The provinces continued to largely focus on recruiting experienced capped players, with Leinster even bringing in Brad Thorn for a short-term stint in the third Heineken Cup winning season.

Another 18 Irish-born caps flowed into the squad as Joe Schmidt took over the national reins. David Nucifora came on board with the IRFU as High Performance Director. Neither he nor Schmidt suffered fools gladly and weren’t fazed by a critical media.

Schmidt said he was going to use whatever players at his disposal to build a better, deeper squad for Rugby World Cup 15. His success at Leinster had garnered him a lot of credit in the public bank. Robbie Diack, a South African playing for Ulster since 2008, got his first cap, six years later in 2014.

In the same squad, Rodney Ah You, a young New Zealand player who had initially moved to Connacht only on an 18-month injury contract in 2010, benefited from a sudden injury to Marty Moore, and went on a tour to Argentina to win the first of three caps for Ireland.

Next up was an actual special project player – Jared Payne. Payne had arrived into Ulster in full media glare on a three-year contract that would get him residency-qualified and ready for Test action.

This was planned with deliberation. Payne proved his worth, and became a mainstay of Schmidt’s side, with the Kiwi’s defensive nous a welcome replacement for the departed duo of O’Driscoll and Darcy. Now 32, and still injured from the Lions tour, he may well have played his last Test for his adopted country.

The critics of the system didn’t have long to wait before another fortunate player, Nathan White, was handed a Test cap at the ripe age of 34.

In a recent interview, White who retired from the game last year and now coaches at Connacht, laughed about the notion about him being seen as a project player. ““Not at all, I had a one-year contract with Leinster” said White of any initial thoughts of playing for Ireland. “I was probably looking at that one year and then it was basically ‘what are we going to do after that?’ Connacht came along and we had enjoyed our time in Dublin, and thought it would be nice to stay in Ireland. The kids really enjoy it here.” Connacht gave him another year, and then extended it. Four years on, he became cap number 1070.

Schmidt went to Rugby World Cup 2015 and again got found out on player depth when six Irish first team players injured for the quarter-final against Argentina.

They were trounced. Schmidt agreed to another four-year contract to have a tilt at Rugby World Cup 2019, and this time, Nucifora and the IRFU were going to ensure there was sufficient depth of IQ players in Ireland.

(AP Photo/Kamil Krzaczynski)

A year later, another South African player joined the Test team in the shape of CJ Stander who had been playing his footy in SA. As the story goes, he got knocked back by the Boks and decided to look further afield.

Munster was looking for a 6/8 but their quota of foreign players was full. And Ireland wasn’t short of backrowers. They were backing up in Leinster between O’Brien, Ruddock, Leavy, van der Flier, et al but none of them wanted to move to Munster.

In the end, Munster got their man, but only on a two-year contract to run until 2014. He was nominated as a ‘project player’, even though they already had one – Gerhard van den Heever – who was not working out and left the following year. Stander had his contract renewed.

Following Rugby World Cup 2015, Schmidt handed him his first Irish cap in the 2016 Six Nations.

Quinn Roux had also come to Leinster on a short-term one-year contract. He was then loaned out to Connacht. With a contract extension, four years later, Schmidt capped him on the tour to South Africa in 2016.

Ironically, despite the Player Succession Programme guidelines only applying to Ulster, Leinster and Munster, it is Connacht that has generated the most amounts of residency-qualified players who were capped through fortuitous circumstance rather than any planned project programme.

Next up for possible Ireland selection is another Connacht player – Bundee Aki. He’s fortunate enough that two players with capped experience are out of contention in November – Garry Ringrose and Stuart Olding.

Aki trained with the wider Ireland squad last month but his selection isn’t a slam-dunk with other players boosting for contention, particularly Ulster’s Stuart McCloskey and Munster’s Chris Farrell, both named in the November squad.

Tyler Bleyendaal, a 10/12 for Munster will residency qualify in January but his teammate and rival outhalf, Ian Keatley, and Leinster’s Ross Byrne may see it differently to get the bench spot for Sexton.

As some of these residency players move out of possible contention, others may come into view in the future – Rhys Marshall, hooker, Jean Kleyn, lock -both at Munster, and Jamison Gibson Park, a back-up scrum half at Leinster are two years away from consideration before the final curtain falls.

So will it all stop and when? While the new five-year residency regulation doesn’t begin until one Jan 2021, in effect, it starts from one Jan 2018, after which any player contracted would have to wait five years before qualifying.

Recognising that the foreign player residency route was short-term, Nucifora and the IRFU have been investing over €10m in the last 2.5 years in the new Domestic Pathway Programme which has seen 80 players enter the four provincial academies on 3-year development programmes. By 2023, the intent is to have four-player depth in each position feeding a 60 player wider Test squad, according to Nucifora.

This season’s November squad has 38 names in it. There are six Irish qualified through parentage – some arriving at an early age.

Dillane, France (age 7), Carbery, New Zealand (11), Marmion, Eng (17), Luke McGrath Canada (8), Herring, SA (19), Treadwell, Eng (20).

In the last three years approx, 32 Irish born players were capped under the age of 25.

If you consider who has actually been capped since 2012 and for how long:
Payne 20 caps (finished?), Strauss 17, (finished), Stander 15, White 13,(ret’d) Ah You 3, (finished) Roux 3, Diack 1, then it doesn’t make for exciting reading for residency player hopefuls.

Perhaps the biggest pointer for the future is a move by the IRFU last May following the WR announcement about extending residency. The IRFU quietly launched the IQ Rugby programme that seeks to find and develop already Irish-qualified playing talent and bring them into the provincial system where appropriate.

This will be done through the long-established Exiles branch of the union based in the UK. A number of players have already been identified and brought into playing in Ireland this season, including Kieran Treadwell from UK, and Chris Farrell and James Hart from France. JJ Harrahan rejoined the fly-half ranks at Munster.

As Simon Zebo prepares to leave for France next June, he knows there’s already a queue of 4-5 young players waiting and eager to take his place, playing in the provinces, ready to be part of the IQ generation.

Hopefully, the project player is dead. Say hello to IQ.

Ireland November Squad

Forwards: Rory Best (Ulster) (Captain), Jack Conan (Leinster), Ultan Dillane (Connacht), Tadhg Furlong (Leinster), Cian Healy (Leinster), Iain Henderson (Ulster), Rob Herring (Ulster), Dave Kilcoyne (Munster), Dan Leavy (Leinster), Jack McGrath (Leinster), Sean O’Brien (Leinster), Tommy O’Donnell (Munster), Peter O’Mahony (Munster), Andrew Porter (Leinster), Rhys Ruddock (Leinster), James Ryan (Leinster), John Ryan (Munster), CJ Stander (Munster), Devin Toner (Leinster), James Tracy (Leinster), Kieran Treadwell (Ulster)
Backs: Bundee Aki (Connacht) uncapped, Adam Byrne (Leinster) uncapped, Joey Carbery (Leinster), Andrew Conway (Munster), Keith Earls (Munster), Chris Farrell (Munster) uncapped, Robbie Henshaw (Leinster), Dave Kearney (Leinster), Rob Kearney (Leinster), Ian Keatley (Munster), Kieran Marmion (Connacht), Stuart McCloskey (Ulster), Luke McGrath (Leinster), Conor Murray (Munster), Johnny Sexton (Leinster), Jacob Stockdale (Ulster), Darren Sweetnam (Munster) uncapped

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-10-30T15:51:43+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


btw, I should have added, Bluesfan, that Ireland has already fielded a non-Irish born backline - way back in 1991: 15 Jim Staples - England, 14 Simon Geoghegan - England, 13 Brendan Mullin - Israel/Jordan, 12 Dave Curtiss - Rhodesia, 11 Jack Clarke - Kenya, 10 Brian Smith - Australia, 9 Rob Saunders - Scotland Not a New Zealander in sight. Very sad. ;)

2017-10-30T10:09:24+00:00

Andrew

Roar Guru


Fair play I hadn't picked up on that. I suppose they were pretty weak in the losses to Scotland and Wales this year so makes sense there would be grumblings.

2017-10-30T02:30:13+00:00

Ralph

Guest


If we did indeed strip the Pacific Islands and put nothing back as you suggest then I might agree with you. Even if we managed to define what the meaning of "strip" is in this content. But we don't. So there you go.

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2017-10-30T01:37:52+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


You’re in a spiral there, Blues. If you see it as buying players then that’s your view. 2 out of a wide squad of 38 on trial this November is not the apocalypse you keep imagining it to be. I think the development of 32 new irish-born caps in last 3 years plus another 3 in November would support that view.

2017-10-30T01:37:31+00:00

Fionn

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Perhaps not. Must admit I've been really impressed by Finn Russel. Maybe as a Wallaby fan I have an overly negative view of Biggar, but I've never been that impressed by him. Yes, extremely serious charges...

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2017-10-30T01:31:01+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


I think Finn Russell, George Ford, Dan Biggar, Camille Lopez, etc mightn’t agree with that one, Fionn. Something tells me that Jackson won’t be lacing up his boots again or for quite some time.

2017-10-29T21:05:03+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


Cheers, Cuw, that makes sense.

2017-10-29T20:57:57+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


Poth, it is conceivable that Ireland will have the three best 10s in northern hemisphere by 2019 between Sexton (if his body holds up), Jackson (depending on the outcome of this trial..) and Carbery (if he continues his development quickly). That would be quite an incredible achievement.

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2017-10-29T20:49:39+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Yep - very true Adastra. It would be great to see if Ireland can reach their stated target of 4 player depth in each position by RWC 2023. (Even better if it was an RWC in Ireland, but we won’t know the answer to that for another couple of weeks!!)

2017-10-29T19:01:59+00:00

Bluesfan

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No it's not about NZ B Teams - it's the fact that Ireland is currently being represented not by Irish players but by who they can buy. What a sad commentary: "And I am not saying they’ll stay around after their contract is finished." That's the point - that people representing your country on the rugby field don't even stay around after their contract ends - puts it into perspective when you see teams singing their national anthems and what it means to them.

2017-10-29T12:30:39+00:00

Bakkies

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His game plans have a lot of critics within the support base.

2017-10-29T12:28:52+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


'i think the main reason they have many foreigners – most of whom are ex test players – is becoz of availability and squad depth.' Absolutely. English clubs compete in three competitions. Not the Heineken Cup sponsored by Heineken, AP and the Anglo Welsh Cup. There used to be an A competition under the Aviva Premiership. When Leicester beat the Springboks they used players from Championship clubs on loan to field a team during that period.

2017-10-29T12:14:11+00:00

Bakkies

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Bosman ruling occurred in the European Courts of Justice. As for Brexit No one knows yet. Regardless British Football clubs will still be doing business with clubs within the EU just like clubs in Norway, Iceland and Switzerland who aren't a part of it. There were problems in Australia in the 90s regarding domestic transfers which led to resignations in Soccer Australia and was one of the key aspects looked in to in the Senate Inquiry.

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2017-10-29T11:40:53+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


If your point is that players play for money then I agree. And I am not saying they’ll stay around after their contract is finished. As I said previously if the only thing that you can see and focus on is NZ B teams then that’s what you’ll do.

2017-10-29T11:34:55+00:00

adastra32

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Largely, the issue comes down to home country player numbers. In this respect, all the Celtic nations are 'out there' to recruit talent from wherever they can. It's understandable if, to varying degrees, unpalatable. And it still doesn't stop the better resourced nations from having their own dabble when they choose ;-).

2017-10-29T05:39:48+00:00

Cuw

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" I am not certain it is very good for English rugby for it to be flooded with foreign players. I wish there weren’t so many Aussie players in France and England but it is what it is, unfortunately. ' i think the main reason they have many foreigners - most of whom are ex test players - is becoz of availability and squad depth. the top clubs in France and England ( and others countries) play in Champions League in addition to their domestic club competitions. with so many matches , their squads are tested to the limit with injuries and availability. take Wasps for eg. at one point in time they had around 15 players out due to injury , that is more or less a first team!! even with such arrangements , there are a lot of players who think they are playing too much rugger. Billy Vunipolla is on record saying he will take less money and play less each year to prolong his career. with certain people talking about extending Aviva season , few players have talked about strike action. there is a reason why most clubs in Europe look at players on the other side of 30 , or discarded by their countries. such players are available all the time and no worry of being called up. that is why there was a bit of a hullaballoo , when Adam Ashley Cooper was called up by auzzy. his club was under the impression his career in tests was over , but apparently not. going forwards countries like auzzy and nz may need to look at bigger squads at club / provincial / super rugger level. i believe the current concussion protocols - which may become even more stringent as we go along - will have a big impact on the number of players available on any given weekend.

2017-10-29T05:16:42+00:00

Cuw

Guest


how will it work after Brexit?? Bossman Law is related to EU - right?

2017-10-29T04:34:12+00:00

Bluesfan

Guest


Please - let's see where he is living after his contract is finished. Did Payne turn up without a contract declaring his willingness to play for Ireland or did Ireland come calling and pay up big time for him to come over to Ireland? I remember that the AB coaches complained at the time that they could not compete with the money that he had being offered by Ireland and that he was in their sights when he left. Finally I remember seeing Isaac Boss in last years NPC playing for Waikato, his contract had finished in Ireland the previous month and after representing Ireland took all of a month before he was home playing for his old provincial team !

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2017-10-29T03:17:35+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


That’s your opinion. Here’s the opinion of two of the players: “It's the longest I've ever been in one place, and my fiancée, she's local and we've got a nine-month old baby boy that was born over here. We've got a house and a dog and the whole nine yards really, so I'm well and truly and converted Irishman and can't see myself going too far in the near future. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and can voice them, but I'm more than happy with how the guys treat me and they look on me as a local, I'm more about it's the guys that you play with. If they all accept you and they're happy with you, then that's what counts. That's always been the case for me. It's no skin off my back." ********* “I met Richardt Strauss after I arrived here. He said it was the best feeling ever for him - to play international rugby for Ireland. He wanted to play for Ireland and I just asked him what the vibe was like. He said it was the four provinces coming together to win and that's something I want to be a part of. The guys back home always find some dirt to slap on you, especially if something like that happens. But I just think from a personal point of view, I just feel so part of this culture, this city and this country. I talk about Ireland as my home now. It's my place. If I get the chance, I'll act the same as Richardt Strauss did - I'd sing the anthem with my full heart.”

2017-10-29T01:36:26+00:00

Bluesfan

Guest


Well as soon as Payne is fit - watch him get rushed into the Irish side at either Centre or full-back - Schmidt appears to love him. Along with CJ Stander and then as you indicate Bleyendaal, Ireland could be fielding International Players in Key Positions for the 6 Nations in 2017/18 - in short it means that potentially on the field at any one time, is that a quarter of your team are playing for $$ not for your country - it's sad when a player even states in an interview that he is not Irish (Aki) but is still selected for your national team.

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