Why Adelaide and Geelong won’t win the flag in 2018

By Alphingtonian / Roar Pro

Following an impressive and dominant finals series from Richmond, their coach Damien Hardwick spoke of the Tigers’ focus on a high pressure rating and speed (especially up forward) being the cornerstone of their turnaround as a team.

Richmond had comprehensively belted every team they faced in the finals including Geelong and Adelaide. They have become the pre-eminent finals team and a blueprint for the perfect modern AFL side.

You’d think then that all teams would realise speed, especially up forward, and small forward lines that pressure would be the way to go? Not so for Geelong and Adelaide who will enter 2018 as slow and tall as ever.

So let’s get to the crux of the issue, how do you apply the most pressure as a team? The most simple way is to have a very fast team that can close down space very quickly, change direction quickly, and harass with repeat efforts. Tall lumbering types and slow bulky mids just won’t get the job done in regards to pressure.

Both Adelaide and Geelong don’t seem to have realised this, losing speed during the trade period and not looking to replace or increase the speed of their respective sides at all.

Both also favour having two talls in their forward line the majority of the time with Adelaide having Taylor Walker and Jenkins, Geelong Tom Hawkins and Harry Taylor/Rhys Stanley. This outdated frankly archaic philosophy of how to construct a forward line cost both teams dearly when they faced the speedy Tigers on the wide expanses of the MCG in finals.

Their tall lumbering forwards were a huge liability being exposed on transition again and again by the Richmond wave of runners.

It’s not only their forward lines though that lack speed, Adelaide and Geelong are slow almost all over the ground. Geelong only have Pat Dangerfield, Sam Menegola, Zach Tuohy, and maybe Nakia Cockatoo (if he can get on the park) with any real breakaway pace and Adelaide only having Eddie Betts, Paul Seedsman, and Curtly Hampton providing any dynamic speed.

So where is their pressure going to come from?

Geelong will take solace in the fact that they play on by far the most narrow ground in the league for nine games in 2018 meaning they won’t have to shut down anywhere near the space they would on the MCG to apply pressure.

The Crows too play 12 games on a smallish ground in the Adelaide Oval, allowing them to apply pressure with more ease than they would be able to elsewhere.

Unlike Richmond who transition with dynamic pace, handball, or kicking to space both Adelaide and Geelong prefer to use a more measured kicking game with ball in hand rather than run and carry. Logic says they’ll now rely on such measured and at times predictable ball movement even more.

Strangely being able to play their respective home grounds so well and only having to shut down limited space is a real problem for both teams, deceiving their respective coaches (and many of their more misguided fans) in to feeling secure in set ups and a game plan that simply won’t cut it in September against quicker sides on the wide spaces of the MCG.

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I also can’t help but feel Taylor Walker and Hawkins are forwards made for yesteryear far less athletic in the air and at ground level than a Jack Reiwoldt type they are becoming a liability and a point of weakness in their respective teams because of the way they draw the ball and hardly mark it.

Once it goes to ground they’re completely out of the contest and it’s swept up by nimble defenders who run it out of there to start yet another counter attack. On a side note it’s no coincidence GWS’s best and most dynamic performance of the year came without their lumbering forward in Jon Patton slowing down their forward line.

The advantages of a small quick forward line with only maybe one KPF marking target that’s incredibly athletic like Richmond’s are four fold.

First, they apply enormous pressure to the opposition inside forward 50 limiting the effectiveness of the oppositions ability to build up coherent attacking play from defence or forcing a turn-over to give the attacking team a chance to score again.

This is reflected in Richmond being ranked first in intercepts per game in 2017, and first in tackles inside 50 per game.

Second, on quick transition from defence they supply speed which can move together in unison using handball/run and carry down the ground to quickly create an outnumber and overwhelm slow tall traditional defences. This is reflected in the combined stat of Richmond finishing fourth in metres gained per game, and third in bounces per game in 2017.

Third, when a team like Richmond are looking for a target moving forward opposition defences find it incredibly difficult to go third man up with mosquito forwards leading every which way separating defenders and not making it obvious where the ball will go. Richmond finished second in marks inside 50 per game last year despite having a small forward line for this very reason

Fourth, small forwards with speed are lethal when the ball hits the ground, able to win more ground ball than tall defenders and being able to break with speed from the contest to create space and set up teammates to have shots on goal. The Tigers ranked equal fifth in goal assists in 2017.

Each area on its own may not lead to success but when it’s all combined it’s a lethal mix. It’s now the blueprint for success and unless Richmond get terrible injuries I think they’re a very good chance to go back to back given they’re a fair way in front of the rest of the comp when it comes to fully understanding the importance of speed and athleticism in modern footy.

Port Adelaide may have the speed to worry them, possibly GWS if they actually have the courage to play small, maybe even Essendon are an outside chance with their own mosquito fleet, Hawthorn can’t be counted out if Puopolo and Cyril stay fit.

Come September however one thing’s for sure the Tiges certainly won’t have to worry about Adelaide or Geelong troubling them, with the Cats and Crows forward set ups and lack of understanding of the importance of speed all over the park more closely resembling the structure of a perfect team from 1988 than 2018.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-11-23T03:51:03+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


4 of the last 5 Premiers have been MCG tenants so there might be something to that. However Sydney beat Hawthorn there in 2012 and The Bulldogs who hardly play on the 'G' won two finals on the way to their Premiership in 2016 so I just think it comes down to a coaching staff that create an adaptable game-plan and pick the appropriate players to execute it on the 'G.' I think both Adelaide and Geelong last year were far too set on the two tall lumbering forwards strategy that had worked so well for them on their respective home grounds rather than adapting their forward set up to the wider spaces of the 'G' where speed rules - especially in September.

2017-11-23T01:20:32+00:00

pussyblue

Guest


Thats the problem with too many home finals. Beating Geelong at home is not the same as beating them at Kardinia park or the MCG. It did get Adelaide into the grand final but left them ill prepared to play Richmond at their home ground when the tempo goes up a notch. Many teams game plans have come unstuck on the wide expanses of the MCG. This will always give the MCG tenants an advantage as their game plan is more suited to their home ground.

AUTHOR

2017-11-22T03:27:54+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Again name one planned concerted whole list draft based rebuild that occurred before Geelong's in 2000/01/02? You can't. Name one player Scott's developed that's elite or close to it? You can't. I've littered both my article and replies with stats and evidence - you haven't once. I never stopped citing Hawthorn either?!? Their 2008 list was from a rebuild exactly the same as the Cats of the early 2000s and the core of players that made up their 2013/14/15 flags were draftees. Regardless I'll give you Hawthorn, I'll even give you the 2012 Swans that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of teams over the last 10 years that won a flag rebuilt the traditional way to achieve it. It also doesn't change the indisputable fact that Geelong's own list management strategy over the last 6 years of trading rather than developing also hasn't worked.

2017-11-22T02:22:11+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Why bother? You'll just move the goal posts or change the argument as you always do. Why should I answer questions when you refuse to? Why should I waste time with loaded questions you have put arbitrary and complete BS constraints on? Mitch Duncan played all of 8 games for Thompson – WOW – that must be some delayed development too. Never-mind the 151 games he has played under Scott, they don;t count because it doesn't fit your agenda. Just like your arbitrary decisions to ignore rebuilds between 1963 and 2000. Just like your arbitrary decision to ignore all Richmond's rebuilds – except, conveniently, the one that finally worked. Just like you have conveniently ignore that you used to include Hawthorn in that list until you were shown how much they brought in via trades and free agency.

2017-11-22T02:16:36+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Alphingtonian, you put all a club's ills on the head coach. I have been following footy for 60 years and I don't believe the coach ever had the responsibility that you assume at any time in that period, much less so in the modern game with expanded football departments.

AUTHOR

2017-11-22T02:03:10+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


You can't name one can you Cat? A simple question you refuse to answer because you already know the answer and it doesn't suit your fragmented weak argument for keeping things the way they are down at the GFC. So now you're taking your ball and going home...oh well.

2017-11-22T01:52:42+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


I'm done wasting my time with you. The ever moving goal posts, refusing to answer the tough questions and your need to ignore the very real evidence that proves your 'theories' and nothing than hater BS are boring me now.

AUTHOR

2017-11-22T01:43:48+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


So Wells recruited a group of players that won three Premierships for Geelong and you pick 4 first round picks over a 17 year period that have failed (one of them, Lang, far from a proven failure yet and will probably thrive at their new club). The interesting part is that Lang, Mitch Brown, and Smedts all failed like a generation of Geelong draftees have under the incredibly poor development of Chris Scott. As I said before name me one player, just one single player that Scott has developed in 6 years to be elite or anything close to elite? Don't say Duncan as Bomber Thompson was responsible for developing him to AFL level and he made his AFL debut under Bomber Thompson. So it's Scott's development of players that has failed as much if not more than Wells judgement/misjudgement in his selections.

2017-11-21T21:04:40+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


do a thorough proper old fashioned rebuild finally giving Stephen Wells highish draft picks for a few years to work his magic with again
Yeah and maybe we end up with the next Kane Tenace (pick #7), Mitch Brown (pick #15), Darcy Lang (pick #16) or Billie Smedts (pick #15). First round picks don't guarantee a good player.

2017-11-21T14:18:32+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Your comment "do a thorough proper old fashioned rebuild finally giving Stephen Wells highish draft picks for a few years to work his magic with again. Develop the kids over 3/4 years" might sound good in a pub after more than a few beers but I think circumstances really determine for you that that is the way to go. Essendon and Carlton have been forced to do rebuilds, in Essendon's case because of the supplements saga which made it easy for players to leave the club -- Ryder, Crameri, Carlisle, Melksham, Hibberd. The saga also meant that for a period Essendon were not a destination club but they were able to get picks in exchange for those players leaving and also high draft picks in two years because of ladder position. Carlton also obtained picks from players leaving and ladder position. Geelong's ladder positions have not given them high draft picks and which players would you trade out to get picks -- Joel Selwood, Dangerfield, Gary Ablett? I am sure those players would be more than happy to facilitate moves that would put Geelong back in premiership contention and the fans would understand the logic despite losing club ikons. Fhs, get real!

AUTHOR

2017-11-21T12:48:19+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Premierships aren't the only measure of success; there's also making Grand Finals by winning Preliminary Finals which has also eluded Geelong over the last 6 years. Eight teams have played in Grand Finals in that time. The fact Geelong has recruited specifically to supposedly compete for a flag and has finished top 4 four times in the last 6 years, three times finishing top 2, but haven't been one of those 8 teams is frankly pathetic! And reflects our incredibly poor finals performances. We need to start again and go back to the rebuilding strategy that brought us three Premierships - as opposed to the recruit mercenaries strategy of the post 2011 Scott years that has brought us sweet FA.

2017-11-21T12:00:21+00:00

Aransan

Guest


I have heard from another Geelong "supporter" that Scott has a problem with Joel Selwood and also Dangerfield. I only give those names because it is too easy to hide behind anonymity. I don't believe this by the way but if it was true then I don't think any strategy by the club would lead to success. If premierships are the only measure of success, we are going to have a lot of sacked coaches and administrations. Most clubs would regard playing in preliminary finals as being a good return, it is very hard to win premierships especially in the modern game. If there is a problem with the game day strategy, don't just look at the coach! This would be a failure by the coaches box as a whole.

AUTHOR

2017-11-21T07:08:17+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I'm not hoping for finals failure or failure in general - I don't have to it's inevitable. Same as it has been for years now.

AUTHOR

2017-11-21T07:01:58+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I always supported Thompson. I actually came out prior to the 2017 season saying I thought Hardwick was a good coach (I could share the link if you need proof). I agree sacking the coach can often be a knee jerk reaction but we have ex-players like Cameron Mooney, Kent Kingsley, Tim McGrath, and Krock SEN footy journo's like Ben Casanelia all coming out saying they've heard from players that there's a huge disconnect between a group of players at the club and Chris Scott. So my wanting to get rid of Scott isn't knee jerk, it's 6 years of underperforming in finals, varied and reliable sources claiming communication problems between coach and players, and the same things like losing post bye, losing to Collingwood, losing to poor teams, struggling at the MCG, and performing poorly in finals happening every year! This combined with a failed list management policy and game day strategy which hasn't garnered any success for the club - means time should be up for Scott!

2017-11-21T06:00:05+00:00

Aransan

Guest


So you are hoping for failure in 2018? What club needs supporters like these?

2017-11-21T05:59:04+00:00

Aransan

Guest


If you had a practical alternative you would have already got rid of those individuals, and obtained a new board and coach. I am an Essendon supporter, I have my doubts about Scott and Worsfold for that matter as match day coaches, but it is thinking from 30 years ago that makes that important. Successful strategies on match day are achieved by a good coaches box, not necessarily just the head coach in the modern era. We certainly hear these knee jerk comments from fans along the lines of sack the coach and everything will be wonderful. Those out to sack Scott would have been first out of the blocks to sack Bomber Thompson before Geelong's three premierships (two under Thompson) and Hardwick wouldn't have been a premiership coach. There is more than one strategy for success but you haven't outlined one. The problem though with fans such as yourself is that during the inevitable ups and downs in the coming year you will be out to drag people through the mud just when support is needed. Throw everything out and success will be guaranteed?

AUTHOR

2017-11-21T04:01:29+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


Cook, Scott, and Carter will be gone sooner than you think. If we fail in finals again in 2018 just wait and see what happens.

2017-11-21T03:08:40+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


There goes the baby with the bath water again.

AUTHOR

2017-11-21T02:48:19+00:00

Alphingtonian

Roar Pro


I do have a practical alternative. Get rid of Cook, Scott, and Carter. Bring in a new board, get Joel Corey in as Head Coach with Bomber Thompson as a Director Of Coaching, keep Scarlett, and Enright in their coaching roles, and do a thorough proper old fashioned rebuild finally giving Stephen Wells highish draft picks for a few years to work his magic with again. Develop the kids over 3/4 years, see where any deficiencies lie in the list and trade in accordingly. Bring excitement, hope, and most importantly a clear plan and direction for the club on field to win a premiership again.

2017-11-20T17:28:12+00:00

MJ

Guest


It will never happen given that all bar 2 of the league's field umpires (Dean Margetts and Luke Farmer who are WA based) are based in Victoria. The SA born field umpires such as Schmitt as well as the likes of Ben Ryan (Qld) and Scott Jeffery (Tasmania) all relocated to Victoria to be closer to the training squad.

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