What do Sydney's new stadiums need?

By mds1970 / Roar Guru

It won’t come cheap. $2.3 billion dollars and these things always blow out. But the decision is made. Allianz Stadium and ANZ Stadium are to be demolished and rebuilt.

We’re told these stadiums are no good. Tired, inadequate and in the case of Allianz, dangerous.

But Allianz Stadium is less than 30 years old. ANZ not even 20. But already they’re condemned, so something went tragically wrong. Mistakes which can’t be repeated this time.

The political debate is on. Whether $2.3 billion could be better spent on schools and hospitals. Even within the sporting world, some of it could be spent on grassroots facilities to encourage participation and so grounds don’t get closed when there’s been a drop of rain in the last three days.

But it’s happening, $2.3 billion for these two elite stadiums.

This time we’ve got to get it right. So what sort of stadiums do we need to build to ensure we’re not going back to the taxpayers in 20 years time for yet another rebuild?

The first thing that needs to be taken care of is ease of entry and exit.

While parking and transport are out of the stadium operator’s control, it’s a factor towards the game day experience.

The farcical scenes after the World Cup Qualifier at ANZ Stadium a couple of weeks ago, when a tree on the tracks over the other side of town that had been cleared long before the game resulted in fans being delayed for hours after the game is completely unacceptable.

But what the stadium design needs to take into account is what happens when you arrive at the ground. Some fans will already have tickets, but others will want to buy theirs at the gate.

There need to be enough ticket windows to enable that process to go by quickly.

Then there are the entry gates. At most events, the crowd will double in the last 20 minutes before the start. And the stadium needs to cater for that.

If there are not enough gates and long queues at the bag searches result in fans missing kick-off, that’s unacceptable. Furthermore, the turnstile scanners need to always work properly.

This is also a factor after the game in order to get the fans out of the ground quickly.

Sadly, at this time in which we live, the question is not if there will be a major terrorist atrocity but when; and mass gatherings in sporting arenas would be a prime target. If something goes wrong, there needs to be a quick evacuation.

There’s plenty of grounds where that looks a problem. At the SCG, for example, where there’s no exit for 160 degrees from the back of the Churchill Stand to the back of the Bradman Stand, and only a narrow tunnel.

Any evacuation would inevitably result in a Hillsborough-like crush.

Even the spiral ramps from the top levels at ANZ Stadium would be panic-ridden chaotic crushes if a mass evacuation was necessary.

Then we find our way to our seats.

The days of wooden benches are long gone. Every seat is plastic moulded. These need to be spacious enough to comfortably fit our expanding waistlines.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

With enough legroom in front to be comfortable, and to allow people to move from the aisle to their seat with ease.

The sightlines are important. Each row needs to be higher than the row in front, enough elevation to allow an easy view over the person in front; even a child behind a basketballer needs to be able to see.

At most grounds, the members and the top seats will be on the western sideline. The TV cameras will be on that side as well.

On the eastern side, fans are looking into the setting sun late in day games and during twilight fixtures. Some form of shade would be a comfort to those fans.

Then there’s the issue of protection from the elements. There will be days when there is heavy rain, and lots of it. Whether or not a retractable roof covers the playing area, shelter from the rain is essential.

Crowds are lower when it rains. But when the crowd are all up the back taking shelter and there’s hardly anyone for 30 rows or more at the front, it’s not a good look.

The other advantage of structural shelter is to trap the noise.

Let’s face it, you’ll always get a better view of the action watching on TV than being there. But the reason you go to the games is for the atmosphere.

When the crowd is vocal, screaming support for their team and getting stuck into the opposition and the referees, this is the point of difference that encourages you to come.

Capturing that noise is important.

It won’t always be easy to do. A ground equipped to host high-demand State of Origin games is always going to look empty for a Souths vs Titans game. A ground designed to be capable of hosting Socceroos games will always look empty when Sydney FC host Wellington Phoenix.

There’s no easy answers here. You can put letter tarps over the seating bays on the top level to spell the home team.

Or maybe there’s a way of going further and getting those empty levels out of view completely. But it would need to look more convincing than a set of lit-up roll-a-doors.

And for the view of the game, scoreboards are a must. That can tell you the score, how long to go and more.
Some grounds have massive scoreboards that give action replays.

Allianz Stadium had huge scoreboards put in not long ago. Spotless Stadium has a big board, but only at one end. If you’re at that end, you can’t see it without turning around.

Scoreboards need to be at both ends. Wherever you are at the ground, it’s important you can see one.

The game day experience is increasingly online interactive. Taking selfies at the game for social media, getting stuck into the tweets, even a rant on a Roar live blog – it’s increasingly a part of what we do at games.

Stadium wi-fi is increasingly in demand. Maybe our new stadiums could have battery charge USB ports as part of the seating structure so we can charge our phones at the game.

Then there’s toilet breaks and catering. Having spent big money to get a seat at the game, it’s not right that you’re kept away from your seat for a long time.

There need to be more toilets per patron than is currently the case, especially for women, where the use of urinals isn’t an option in grounds where the portion of the crowd who are women was under-estimated when the grounds were built.

It’s not good enough; more facilities are needed so the queues are shorter.

Unfortunately stadium catering is a rort. Long queues for poor quality food at prices that are highway robbery. Prices aren’t coming down, that’s the reality.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

But the quality and variety of the food and drinks could certainly be improved. And there need to be more places open selling it without missing long periods of the game in queues.

And what of the kids, who can get restless and don’t want to just sit for hours? Is a kids zone part of the design for our stadiums of the future?

At GWS Giants games at Spotless Stadium, there’s a kids zone; with a bouncy castle and interactive games. Is this something that has value more widely and something that can be part of our future sporting experience?

Thankfully, sporting stadiums are now smoke-free. I sure don’t miss breathing smoke at games.

But for those who do smoke, an efficient system of pass-outs to enable them to quickly duck out at halftime, have their smoke and get back to their seat before the second half starts is essential.

There’s all sorts of wish-lists for what our stadiums of the future could contain. A chapel of prayer room for the religious? A sensory room to prevent over-stimulation meltdowns? What else?

Work on the SFS will start in about a year’s time. ANZ will be done after the SFS is finished; they can’t both be done at the same time.

We can’t keep going back to the taxpayers every 20 years, so what’s wrong this time is wrong forever. The new stadiums have to be done right.

And when the stadiums are rebuilt, will you go to them more often? If not, there’s not much point in spending this $2.3 billion to rebuild them.

The Crowd Says:

2017-12-01T11:09:26+00:00

Fix the scrums

Guest


But, the sad fact is people don't turn up in big numbers at the current rectangle stadiums now. So why build new stadiums? Seriously there is so much anger out there now on this issue. If someone organised a street march in protest it would be massive. I can't see how the government can recover from this. The NRL has been drawn into the controversy due to their intense lobbying along with other parties like the SCG trust. All are tainted with a whiff of corruption and it's a disgrace. Taxpayers deserve better.

2017-12-01T09:10:36+00:00

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Demolishing ANZ Stadium will sadly destroy the scene of so many memories created at the ground, among them: * The 1999 NRL Grand Final, in which the Melbourne Storm won their first premiership in just their second season thanks to a penalty try. * The Sydney Olympics, in particular the opening ceremony, in which Cathy Freeman lit the torch and then won the Gold Medal in the 400m race ten nights later. * Louise Sauvage's win in the 5,000m wheelchair race at the Paralympics. * The Knights' stunning Grand Final win over Parramatta in the 2001 Grand Final, where they led 24-0 at half-time before slowing down to win 30-24. * Penrith's win over the Roosters in the 2003 Grand Final, where a second-half tackle on Roosters winger Todd Byrne by Panthers lock Scott Sattler will go down as the most famous tackle ever made at the ground * Two years later, Benji Marshall's flick pass which led to Pat Richards' try in the Tigers' 30-16 win over the Cowboys. * The famous Socceroos vs Uruguay World Cup play-off in which John Aloisi potted the penalty that sent us to our first FIFA World Cup in 32 years. * The Dragons' Grand Final win over the Roosters in 2010, which ended a 31-year premiership drought (at least on the St George end of things). * The GWS Giants' first ever game in the AFL, played against the Sydney Swans in March 2012. * NSW's win over Queensland in Game II of the 2014 State of Origin series which ended an eight-year winning streak by the Maroons. Who could forget Jarryd Hayne running into Blatchy's Blues as the clock ticked down to our first series win since 2005? * The NSW Waratahs' win over the Crusaders in the 2014 Super Rugby final. * Souths' win in the 2014 NRL Grand Final, where Sam Burgess played all but the opening seconds of the match with a broken jaw and won the Clive Churchill Medal for his match heroics? * The all-Queensland Grand Final in 2015, in which the Cowboys scored a try in the final seconds to level the scores, before Johnathan Thurston potted the premiership-winning field goal in golden point extra time to land his side their first ever title, 17-16 over the Broncos. * The all-Sydney AFL qualifying final in 2016, in which the Giants turned the tables on the Swans, winning by 36 points. * Cronulla's win over Melbourne in the NRL Grand Final that year, which saw them win their first premiership in their 50th year in the competition. * The Socceroos' World Cup qualifying win over Honduras where Mile Jedinak scored each of our three goals. There are many more but those are just some of the most significant moments created at the ground in nearly 20 years of existence.

2017-12-01T08:55:56+00:00

John

Guest


"At the SCG, for example, where there’s no exit for 160 degrees from the back of the Churchill Stand to the back of the Bradman Stand, and only a narrow tunnel." There are a number of emergency exits in that arc directly into Fox Studios

2017-11-30T22:04:23+00:00

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Roar Rookie


But if we made the ground multi-purpose to be oval, then fans of the rectangle sports won't turn up because the stadium will be crap. The simple fact is that you can't make a stadium that caters both to rectangle and oval sports in an effective manner.

AUTHOR

2017-11-30T22:02:03+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


Spotless is the exception. It wasn't built for cricket, it was built for agricultural shows. But Rod makes an interesting point. $2.3b is a lot of coin, and could we get more bang for our bucks by making the grounds also capable of hosting oval-ground sports? To jusfity this expenditure, these new stadiums will have to be frequently used.

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2017-11-30T21:58:21+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


This is what needs to go into the plan for the new stadiums. This is the only chance to get it right. $2.3b is a lot of coin, and it's controversial enough that it's being spent now. But these stadiums have to be got right and built to last - sport can't keep going cap-in-hand to the taxpayer to rebuild stadiums that are less than 20 years old.

2017-11-30T01:29:24+00:00

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Roar Rookie


Good list. All I want for the news SFS and/or ANZ are: - Steep seating, as per plans for Parramatta’s new stadium - A roof which protects at least 80% of attendees, Something like Docklands, and - Giant screens just like Allianz currently Combine these and most people will be happy

2017-11-29T23:00:28+00:00

Rod D

Guest


name one !!!! There are no AFL specific venues anywhere. Every major ground that the AFL use was originally for cricket, Besides why waste so much moolah making it rectangular just to keep the Numbnuts GF in Sydney?

2017-11-29T13:49:06+00:00

lesterlike

Guest


"But the option would be gone forever." Good. AFL has had plenty of stadiums built for it over the years.

AUTHOR

2017-11-29T04:02:15+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


The SFS in its current form is rectangular, so nothing would change there. ANZ can currently be configured for rectangular or oval sports, but this will be lost - so it will actually have less possible usage than it currently has; albeit that it has only hosted one AFL match and no cricket in the last two years. Rebuilding ANZ as a permanent rectangle reduces its possible use. Rectangle sports can be played on an oval, but oval sports can't be played on a rectangle. But it produces a better experience for the rectangle sports; and as I mentioned in the last paragraph, it's only been used as an oval once in the last two years. But the option would be gone forever.

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2017-11-29T01:01:44+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


You wonder how they ever got that one through. Spruce Moose's article today talks well about that - it's a stadium that is rarely filled in its current form. Will be interesting to follow the money when the contract is issued...... But the decision's been made, and it's going to happen. That being the case, what do we need the new stadium to be like so we're not doing this again in 20 years?

2017-11-29T00:47:36+00:00

Rod D

Guest


Thought you might have asked what sports are these new stadiums catering to. Are they going to be solely rectangular therefore not catering to cricket, AFL or athletics. And the SCG, is a disgrace. Your comment regarding evacuations are spot on. The place is dangerous. It's been like that for 4 years....

2017-11-29T00:03:22+00:00

Tom G

Guest


It appears that the lobby groups for the SCG Trust have managed to dip their snouts well and truly into the public trough yet again.. What this city needs is smaller boutique stadiums that can be filled rather than big inaccessible and expensive cavernous boxes. It has proven to be successful everywhere else in the World but for some reason, these options aren't even considered.

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