Sam Burgess’ brain-Sezer threatens #NRLtalkthegameup

I would say the same thing about your objectiveness over the Jackson incident here given he is your club captain. In the past I have always taken longer to get involved in these types of discussions. The reason for this is I like to determine the facts first and also to allow a little time to get a little perspective so that my passion as a fan doesn’t cloud my judgement. If I think the reaction to something is over the top then If I feel the need I will make comment. As you will note I have provided stills of the incidents and just to prove further here is another one, a side view showing the contact with shoulder/neck just as you indicated Jackson did. You can continue to have your opinion that Burgess was worse than Jackson, after all an opinion is not based in fact and the pictures don’t lie. https://mobile.twitter.com/stoocho/status/987853288820195328/photo/1 The fact the arm is up indicates intent. if your pretty confident that players don’t lie down then Jackson’s must have hit him harder in the head as he stayed down for that whilst in the Burgess one he was up pretty quick. Another fact. I am not saying it is being labelled a high tackle or that he is guilty of same because he is Sam Burgess,. You are making assumptions there as I have not ever said it wasn’t a high tackle because clearly it is a high tackle. But his reputation will make it more likely he gets penalised, put on report and charged. And yes the judiciary works so that when he does get suspended there will be a loading because of his priors just as it should be. What it shouldn’t be is a higher grading for the same offence because it is Sam Burgess, or because he was suspended two weeks ago, that is getting it in the neck twice. As a player he plays on the edge and if you live by the sword...... I will take the good with the bad. After all through his effort and putting the team above himself in 2014 we the GF However what gets on my nerves to is the ridiculous comments, like being compared to les Boyd, or comparing it to the Soliola without really looking at the facts of this particular incident

I think Jackson’s was graded as a grade 2, which the dogs fought and got downgraded. Souths have the same opportunity with Burgess. It will be a risky move though. Last suspension was Josh Morris’ fault and this one is because Sezer was falling. You can’t fix a problem until you acknowledge you have one big Sam.

Come off it mate, don’t make out you’re Mr Objective when your club legend is facing his second suspension in as many games. Jackson hit Sezer as he kicked. Initial contact was shoulder and then head. It was a grade one. Burgess’ was worse. I don’t think the arm up, arm down thing is remotely relevant in a high tackle case. It seems like you’ve latched onto it as a defence after it being mentioned in Burgess’ forearm case. But a forearm while carrying the ball is completely different to a high tackle case and I’ve never heard of it being relevant before in a high tackle case. Guilt has nothing to do with reputation. Burgess’ guilt isn’t determined by his record, it’s the facts of the case. You’re not seriously trying to say the only reason this is being labelled a high tackle is because of Burgess’ record? Please. But Burgess’ record will have a bearing on the weight of the suspension. It’s the same for every player in the comp. Burgess’ record is terrible so of course he attracts a heavier suspension than someone on a first offence. The judiciary has always worked that way. Most courts do. Ask Adrian Morley or Les Boyd. Burgess is at risk of being remembered in the same way as those blokes. Don’t want to miss games? Stop elbowing blokes in the throat and knocking halfbacks heads off...judiciary can’t do anything then.

Agree with you on the protection part of it and that Sezer is a tough little bugger. Reynolds Cops it a fair bit to. Personally Soliola-Slater hit was way worse given Billy had gotten rid of the ball, it was very late and he got hit wit a genuine stiff arm. The one from Jackson also where he came out of the line also hitting him after he got rid of the ball was maybe a little worse give it was late. He got a grade two which was downgraded to a one and didn’t miss any games due to his good history Given Sams history two weeks would be about right. Don’t think they will contest given they will want him back for the Dragons As you said time to move on. Good luck to your boys next week. Tipping a big response from them. They are a dam good side when they are on. Hopefully that will be the last one that Sezer cops for the year.

Actually the point I was making was THE NRL NEEDS TO PROVIDE BETTER PROTECTION FOR PLAYMAKERS - do I need to say it AGAIN? And that means ALL PLAYMAKERS from ALL TEAMS. And the only way this is going to happen if those found guilty get stiff enough penalties.Two weeks ain't gonna cut it. Soliola got 5 or 6 if I recall. Though I'm sure by saying that people are going to say the Burgess hit wasn't as bad as Soliola's .. blah blah blah. I was citing the example of Sezer because understandably as a supporter I watch the Raiders more than other teams and I've seen him get hit high three weeks in a row and I'm concerned about his welfare as I hope the club is. To be honest I'm amazed that he is walking around. He must be a tough little bugger. Anyway time to move on.

Commiserations today Jason. There are some issues at Manly. Hope they can sort them out. Have a few mates that follow them (one of them an ex player) and they are all a little shattered at the moment. Given how things went last year they had high hopes and then the salary cap issues and now the teams performance all are a little down in the dumps. You have a good enough roster so hope they can get things together. Just to let you know I don’t hate manly (don’t even hate the roosters) just want to see good footy played with the best side winning.

Burgess hit worse than Jackson’s. Wow I thought you were fair minded. Jackson flying in after the ball had left his boot whilst burgess tackled him whilst he still had the ball. Jackson arm raised whilst Burgess by his side. As I had expected though you have confirmed one thing being that it is irrelevant when it comes to the facts as per above but guilt is significantly based on reputation. As you have pointed out Jackson a relative clean skin compared to burgess and because he was suspended before and just got back then to hell with the facts it must be much worse.

Burgess’ hit is worse than Jackson’s. Soliola’s is in a different league altogether to both. But anyway, let’s stretch our memories back to the last time Jackson was charged or suspended. Was it 2015? How long for Burgess? That’s right, it’s his first game back after being suspended for elbowing someone in the throat. He added to his all round class by accusing the victim of diving. I love watching Burgess play. He’s one of the first blokes picked in my SC team each year. I have no problem calling him a great player, but there’s no escaping the fact that he’s loose and he plays like a lunatic at times. When Jackson got charged I called it as a grade 1 careless and said he’d get suspended if he had carry over points. Burgess’ will probably get the same grading or possibly slip into a grade 2. I’m sure he’s got carry overs and definitely has priors so I reckon he’ll miss a couple of weeks.

The Sia tackle is late and high. It is reckless as he has the choice to pull out as Slater had passed. Sam's tackle is just careless because the size difference puts Sezer's head on his bicep. Going from this article in 2015 - https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/after-tyson-frizell-avoided-dismissal-for-tim-browne-hit-is-the-sendoff-finished-in-the-nrl/news-story/c033377fb3c7626d238d256a89b0decf the grading is correct. I wish the media would not just paraphrase what Sam said to Brett Finch. He also says he thought first contact was his (Sam's) chest but he doesn't know. He also admitted that contact was a bit high.

Actually your right. I apologise it was Sham who said that. I’ll also agree if you think 90 degrees is slightly bent then ok. You get tired easy - it was only two posts. Interesting you pointed out two tackles and I pointed out two and apparently I now point out every raiders high shot. The point I was making was that you were having a dig at the Souths players who rightly have been sanctioned but hypocritically not taking into account the actions of your own players.

Good luck to your boys today. They have had a rough couple of weeks and the issues in the team this week explain much of this but it doesnt fill me with confidence for them today. Hope it’s a good game. Enjoy

I viewed both of his incidents several time and both are clearly illegal and very dangerous. I said at the time he was crazy to fight the elbow charge and he will be even sillier to fight this one. He lined up Seizers head and hit it as hard as he could, very cheap and nasty. I'm amazed how many people view an incident like this and make up a fairy tale instead of accepting what the replay shows.

The judiciary does however take into account the position of the arms as far as I know. When Burgess got rubbed out for the elbow they stated the reason Packer didn’t, when on the same weekend his elbow came in contact with an opponents throat, was that his arm started by his side and the force of the contact brought his elbow up On that basis the position of Sams arm should be a mitigating factor. It won’t however given his past history and as can be seen Whitehead got a week and Burgess two. For me Whitehead’s was much worse but Sams reputation precedes him. The reason why I suggested the bias was that if both tackles were similar then why not the outrage at Jacksons tackle, why not the article then. Or was it because it was Sam Burgess and due to his history and the current penchant for people to pile in and put the boot in when there is a chance when it seem the pack are on the hunt.

Gee the slightly bent arm excuses everything GCB - thanks for pointing it out. I take it all back. Sam was just unlucky that Sezer got his jaw in the road. Withdraw all charges. Its all Sezer's fault. Sam has no case to answer. Actually I think it was sham who said you should improve your comprehension. I just got tired of you having to point out every Raiders high shot in the match when all I was trying to point out that all smaller play makers should get better protection from the refs after they get smashed week in week out. As its stands Slammin Burgess will probably get two weeks and he'll be free to smash some other poor bugger in 3 weeks time.

Jason what was your response to Jackson’s tackle a couple of weeks back. Was it’s as fervent as your position on Burgess. If so fair enough then I would at least feel your unbiased. If not ....... I invite you to have a look at the response to TB and see what your thought are.