A good starting season for Thorn’s young Reds

By The Crowd / Roar Guru

So ends the most successful season on the field since 2013 for the Queensland Reds, with a 48-27 victory over the Sunwolves at Suncorp Stadium.

This was another game marred by a referee making a controversial red card decision, but a win is a win and it was especially great to see the Queensland backs, who have been overshadowed by the pack in 2018, stepping up with five tries.

With the season over it is an opportune time to reflect on what the Reds’ season means going forward into 2016.

Six wins over sixteen games and holding 13th place from 15 is a modest improvement off a low base, following on from four seasons of terrible results for the team.

However, it is important to note how close the results have been for the six teams from the eighth-placed Sharks to the thirteenth-placed Reds on the Super Rugby ladder, all of those teams winning six or seven games.

For the Reds what really cost them position on the ladder was the rookie error of coming off the high of beating the highly placed Lions, then underestimating the cellar-dwelling but much-improved Sunwolves during round 13. The Reds copped a 63-28 flogging that I doubt the team members will ever forget.

Apart from that the Reds only lost the games that they would reasonably expect to at this stage of their development and had a couple of unexpected wins, like the Lions and the Jaguares at home.

They also managed to push some stern opposition hard at times, losing to the Hurricanes in Wellington by 34 to 38 points probably being the biggest message to the competition that the Reds should be taken seriously.

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So there is cause for cautious optimism for fans about where the team is headed next year. Of course the elephant in the room is the cost of paying Quade Cooper, James Slipper and Karmichael Hunt, senior players who have currently been stood down from the Reds.

The three are still under contract with the QRU until at least the end of 2019 and are reportedly costing the union around $2 million a year not to play, which is not only expensive but is using up the QRU’s salary cap.

This in turn will limit the ability of the QRU to recruit and retain good players. The QRU clearly has to do something about the situation if the Reds are to expect a significant improvement in 2018.

Based on the publicly available information, it seems that Thorn’s refusal to select Cooper has been based on Thorn’s opinion that Cooper is not a good fit for what he wants from the team.

As coach it is Thorn’s prerogative to select his team, but Cooper still being under contract means that the financial and salary cap implications are a problem that the QRU has to wear, unless Cooper decides that he wants to play elsewhere next year.

Slipper’s case, associated with two failed tests for cocaine, is complicated by the fact that Slipper has reportedly been suffering mental health issues associated with his mother having a terminal illness.

Of course none of us outside of the parties concerned know the full story, but based on the publicly available information I doubt many fans would want to see a long-serving, highly-respected former captain dumped for making a (admittedly bad) mistake under the worst sort of pressure. Hopefully Slipper will be given a chance to redeem himself.

Equally I doubt that the majority of Queensland fans want to see Hunt back in red. He was charged for illegal possession of a prescription drug this year on top of a previous conviction for supplying cocaine.

However, he was only issued with a fine and a playing ban in both cases, so the QRU is required to honour his contract.

For players to be appropriate role models for young people in rugby, is something which many in the game take very seriously, and as such the QRU should be supported in keeping Hunt out.

I think there is a case for Rugby Australia to step in and relax the salary cap for the Reds, if Hunt doesn’t leave of his own accord.

It wouldn’t provide the Reds with an unfair advantage, rather it would just allow them to cover for a player made unplayable by very difficult circumstances, and wouldn’t cost Rugby Australia anything.

I don’t know that that the other Super Rugby teams could reasonably object under that circumstances as the entire code in Australia has an interest in maintaining the reputation of Rugby as a clean sport, so it is a potential solution which is worth the QRU and Rugby Australia discussing.

The Crowd Says:

2018-07-21T10:16:23+00:00

Disheartened

Guest


Have to agree totally . Another dead Red season, and there have been too many of recent. How many of this year’s squad are leaving? Team spirit and culture missing. Is No consistency ( except yellow cards), capitulation one week a spirited loss the next

2018-07-19T23:24:41+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Hey Jacko, In 2017 Souths finished 7th. Right now they are sitting on 4th. So the team that dropped QC went downwards on the ladder and the team that played QC went upwards on the ladder. AND I'll betcha that Souths crowd numbers are going up this year while the Reds go down.

2018-07-19T07:49:29+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Oh please Jacko give us a break. You're a Thorn supporter. What's the point of pretending otherwise.

2018-07-18T11:04:59+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Hey Jacko, So there is a clause in his contract that if he quits the Reds they will continue to pay him ? You really reckon that's how his contract got drafted ? I know the Reds haven't exactly set the world on fire in the back room department but I'm fairly sure that they would have better lawyers than that.

2018-07-18T09:15:02+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Do you have a horse in the race TWAS? You cant be a Reds supporter as you very clearly hate them....I go to more Reds games than any other team and have done for years......You know who I support and you know why i go to Reds games...either that or you are commenting on things you never read and commenting against me when you dont bother to read what I wrote....

2018-07-18T09:06:57+00:00

Jacko@hotmail.com

Guest


Yeah all they want to do is watch Quade lose...sure ...and yes I agree it was convenient he was dropped in january....Convenient for the Reds as he is crap...Did you see the Souths -GPS game????His no name opposite made him look silly and I would have thought that if QC was such a playing genius he could get a top side to perform better and there was a very small crowd

2018-07-18T09:00:30+00:00

Jacko

Guest


RO he will not lose a cent.......If the offers are lower than his current contract then the Reds have to top it up...Not difficult to understand when you try

2018-07-18T08:48:26+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Hey Jacko, So he expects to get paid according to the contract he signed. Gee that's awful. String him up. As to the other offers any idea if they were the same money or is he a prima donna for not wanting to take a pay cut to move interstate ??

2018-07-18T08:43:38+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Yeah not the best time to make a typo. But I'm sure you got the gist. :)

2018-07-18T02:13:37+00:00

Reality Check

Guest


You know they do love watching Quade. That`s why they had a higher average crowd last year. Soon as QC was cut 3000 less per game. 2019 i foresee the crowd numbers to be around 10 k per game as people who bought memberships this year won`t be duped into thinking Quade is playing in 2019 this time. In 2018 how convenient at the end of January he suddenly was sacked after most of the Reds memberships were bought.

2018-07-18T02:02:35+00:00

Reality Check

Guest


Ralph No. Thorn put himself above the team by not selecting QC. Fixed it for you.

2018-07-17T23:27:05+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Yet as history has shown, as I pointed out, it's very rare that a coach takes time to make major improvement goes on to succeed.

2018-07-17T23:21:04+00:00

Sage

Roar Rookie


Sweet as bro. Chur

2018-07-17T16:07:07+00:00

BadgerBob

Guest


Its going to take time for Thorn to put his stamp on things. Hes gotten rid of a lot of the dead wood. Things have been very wrong at the reds, going to take him time to sort them out.

2018-07-17T12:57:50+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


No. He expects a SR payment because that's what he was signed to.

2018-07-17T08:40:55+00:00

Riddler

Guest


I am not in brissie. If I was I would be a member.

2018-07-17T08:10:34+00:00

jacko

Guest


LOL ..perhaps you meant "if they" rather than "if the ....dont fix my sentences again until you know how to fix sentences

2018-07-17T08:06:27+00:00

Jacko

Guest


It was the same last season as well...When QC was a Red...They certainly dont come to see QC play

2018-07-17T08:01:06+00:00

Jacko

Guest


He is a Prima donna because he struts his stuff in club rugby but expects a SR payment for that......I have no issue with that if he wasnt offered other options but he is CHOOSING to be a club player on SR money....now thats a prima donna right there.

2018-07-17T08:00:04+00:00

tamaolevao

Guest


No man By you’re logic they’re just started taking drugs this year.... Mate they’ve been on it for ages man don’t kid you’re self they’ve been living a double life keeping the balls in the air hoping to keep the farcaede up ..... Homie thru got caught which is a good thing mate don’t feel bad for them because they got caught now their families can come together and really address what’s at the root of the issue ..... And that’s an addiction to substance abuse bro ..... So read their books about how they will eventually admit they had an addiction and were out of control and needed something to happen ... The club and code and hopefully the community will support them but don’t deny the truth bro

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