Wallabies weighing up White stuff: report

That is pretty strong anti JW sentiment Kirky. Let's try rationally clear up a few points. 1. He is a professional sports coach and gets more money and I might add job security coaching a " lowly " Japanese club side than he would get coaching any top tier team in South Africa. 2. He speaks his mind . Never a good idea in the political maze of South African rugby or with the overinflated egos of French Club owners. Nick Mallett lost the Bok job for simply raising the issue of rugby ticket prices. Would you coach in a country with political restrictions on team selections and choice on support staff I wonder. 3. The 2007 rugby World cup was not his only championship. He also won it with the Baby Boks u21 team. 4. The Boks scored the most tries on the way to the final. Finals by their very nature are four affairs . Would you rather he played high risk open rugby and took home a silver medal instead. Yes SA did not score a try in the final but neither did England. 5. White also has a tri nations trophy in the cabinet. Not too many outside of NZ can claim that in the modern era. 6. He did not invent rush defence but recognized its value. He took it to another level though and many of his ideas are still used today.

You mean - scoring 33 tries, 2nd only to the ABs and getting Habana to joint top tournament try scorer with Lomu.. yep that sounds like kicking penalties .. the team was far more dynamic than given credit. The fact the final was attritional and low scoring is nothing new... last I checked 2011 was a pretty low scoring affair

At this stage just getting out of the pool could be considered a "win".

Pretty sure the engraving in the cup says none of that. Just “South Africa”. But hey, if he coached a team like that 11 years ago then I guess that’s exactly how the Wallabies would play under him. I don’t even care though. Because the wallabies are playing horrible rugby now. But losing too.

Fionn! The Wallabies will never get a Kiwi Coach again, New Zealand Rugby haven't forgotten as to how Deans and John Mitchell were treated so they're looking at this place as a tainted system run badly by a terrible Admin' therefore the Wallaby job of Coach has developed into the ''poisoned chalice'' variety and I would imagine only fly by night Coaches such as Jake White would apply!

White Coached the Boks in the 2007 World Cup to win playing the worst rugby you could possibly witness, ~ he coached the Bok's to ''when you get that ball kick it as hard as you can upfield chase it up, create the ruck or maul, force the penalty then kick that said penalty" ~ I would never ever call Jake White a Top Coach! ~ The Bok's won that Final by scoring 21 points all of which were penalties mostly by Percy Montgomery and another guy whose name escapes me ~ It was one of the worst games of winning rugby if you could call it that, that I can ever remember watching, absolute rubbish, that possibly is the reason it's not mentioned that often! ~Well done to the players for the win, but the Wallabies don't need him as a Coach!

Jake White has shown no aptitude as a hands on assistant. His strength has been managing the overrall process.

Well I know that I bothered to look and saw that after winning a RWC he took over the Brumbies, then Montpelier, then Toyota Verblitz and improved all of their results... You're the one saying despite getting decent or better results at the last 4 teams he coached for a period of time (SA, Brumbies, Montpelier and Toyota) that he's not a good coach...

Superba! Sounds good mate but I doubt this team being the basket case it is could be turned around in six Months, I'd go a bit further and dispense of those ''elites'' in the team pronto' as they are still there and possibly are part of the problem, who knows! Never being a fan of Jake White I would never compare his time with the Brumbies as a possibility of being an International Coach again but if nothing else, the players would surely get a chance of dealing with a totally different guy and approach, and it could do wonders, certainly hope it does. ,

Fully agree - he changed tactically for the '11 WC and then never shifted tack as the team declined. I loved the way he had the team playing through that first few years. He just needed to tighten the defence a little but the attack was sensational. Then came building all his play through the direct running of McCabe, Ashley-Cooper etc. Yes the defence stiffened up but the attack went out the window. He also became fairly paralysed in his match day use of the bench. I still believe he'd get better results than Cheika with the current crop but at the time it was definitely the right decision to move to McKenzie.

Appoint Jake White in an Assistant role of some sort but never as head Coach we all know his style he is a mercenary Coach and like someone else said, he'd be gone in 2 or less years particularly if things go bad! There are good Coaches well qualified who could do the Wallaby job, but it's a tainted position and they won't go near it, ~ Jake White presumably after telling the ARU to stick their Wallaby job after his Brumby stint right where they like, now and only now he wants back in, short of work perhaps!

Mr Stationmaster Sir! Once again you'd know as well as anyone else why that was the case and to a degree that problem is still there and could and should be well and truly removed!

And you. Mr. Stationmaster as we all well know, as a rule you always know everything but you know as well as anyone else that this Wallaby side at this very time, would be a hell of a lot better off with Robbie Deans than Cheika or Jake White for that matter!

Still Miss it! ~ Exactly as you say, and that's the prime reason that Australian Rugby are struggling to find a decent Coach! Everyone with half a brain could see and work out what went on in Dean's case, ~ the ones 'within' the current team at the time detested the fact that they had to tolerate a Kiwi Coach and do it as it should be done and not as they wanted! Far too much 'inside stuff went on in that Team', not least the axing of Giteau as a bad influence on the Team on the whole and who expected as a given that he would and should be Captain of the team, but Deans is no fool and was and has been brought up in the best Rugby system in the World being at one time an Assistant Coach of the All Blacks, so he could see the trouble that was happening and as someone else said on here that at the time the Wallabies were up closer to the top than they are now! At least two and possibly three of those smart dicks who the ARU took notice of instead of working things out in the correct manner, are still in the Wallabies today and I'd have to say playing badly! With the ridiculous debacle that this turned out to be, it's a well known fact that the NZRFU took a very dim view of the treatment of those two Coaches and how they were treated, so one thing that could be guaranteed, and that is no Kiwi Coach will ever touch an Australian International Coach's possie' which was borne by the simple fact that the 'boys within' wanted an Aussie' Coach so they could play the mythical ''Australian Way'' whatever style that is, as there's no such thing! Employing White will achieve nothing as the whole system needs to be torn apart and restarted, and universally re jigged to somewhere where it could and should be! ~ The Head Office Boys and Girls need to be down the road also taking the two players (they know who they are) who are have been trouble for a lot of years else it will be the same old, same old!

To be fair to Deans he had the squad for about a week before the Samoa test I think without the Queenslanders. Against Scotland the preparation was two days.

He's also got Tai McIsaac as his set-piece and Nic Scrivener as his attack coach, so except for Craig Stewart on skills his assistants are all Aussies.

Muggleton is White's defence coach at Toyota Verblitz right now.

So we can't attract anyone good but don't take the one name coach that is putting his hand up? We all get that he is a mercenary and we are familiar with 'Jakeball' both from that South African 2007 WC and from his time at the Brumbies. The simple fact is that we've seen him turn around basket case teams and the exact things that he prioritises around set-piece, defence and kicking/chasing are areas that are screaming out to be fixed at the Wallabies. I'd have zero qualms giving him a 2 year contract with the option to extend based on how he gets the team performing.

Given that there's only one other World Cup winning coach actively coaching and there's zero chance of securing him, I'll take the coach of "the poorest win of any World Cup by any International side". Whilst i'm intrigued to know how there is a poor way to win a knock out tournament featuring all the best nations in the world, I'll keep my brain cells and refrain from asking you to elaborate. Anyway, here's Jake White's results. Prior to his arrival at the Brumbies they had finished 13th in 2011. They missed the finals by a single competition point (finishing equal with the Reds) and only 1 point behind 5th and 6th. They then made the final the following year. Took over Montpelier on the back half of a poor 2014/15 season where they ultimately finished 8th and bottom of the Champions Cup pool stages. Their only pool game win was after he was appointed. In the 2 full seasons he coached they finished 3rd in the Top 14. They won the Challenge Cup in 2016 (didn't qualify for Champions Cup due to 2014/15 Top 14 results), and came 2nd in their Champions Cup pool in 2017. Prior to White's arrival at Toyota Verblitz they finished 8th in the 2016/17 season. They finished 4th his first season. and currently sit equal 2nd on points in their conference. Yeah. He sure sounds like a dud...

Avoid White at all costs, he is possibly the most backward thinking Rugby Coach going around, ~ He is a mercenary Coach and you can guarantee that should he get the job of Coach of Australia if and when the going gets tough and it will because Australia being in dire straits as it is and being almost a basket case, White will just head out, he does it wherever he goes, even in South Africa itself! Furthermore he is not a good Coach and you should forget the South African winning of the 2007 World Cup, as all kudos to them as a Team but the manner and methods used was nothing short of ridiculous, Jakeball stuff, ending up winning by seven penalties no less! It was possibly the poorest win of any World Cup by any International side and White was the perpetrator of it as you can't blame the players when you're told to hoof the ball as far up the Field as you can, into Opposition Territory rush up behind the said ball take it to ground, create the Penalty then kick the goal, that's how South Africa won in 2007. The Players at the end of the day were only doing what they were taught to do and for a long time it crept into quite a few International sides curriculum until they thought better! For Rugby Australia to appoint White as Head Coach would be an absolute retrograde step as although he's Coaching in Japan right now, his Team is a very lowly one, so it appears obvious that he can't get a decent Coaching gig anywhere but Japan. Nothing whatsoever will come out of appointing Jake White as Coach as I mentioned earlier, if the Wallabies Coaching position was a lucrative and promising arrangement, a bundle of far better Coaches going around would be chasing the job!, but they're not, and obviously so!