Clash of the most populous rugby nations

By Istanbul Wingman / Roar Guru

What if I told you there is an international rugby tournament on right now in which 40 per cent of the world’s population is represented?

Three of the four most populous countries on the planet are currently playing in the ‘Asia Division 3 East/South’ title in Jakarta – namely China, India and Indonesia. That’s a collective population of three billion right there. The world total is 7.7 billion.

But what does it mean in rugby terms? India has 18,500 players and China has 35,000. The lowest per capita among nations ranked inside the world’s top 100.

India and China are ranked 81st and 87th respectively. Indonesia, ranked 102nd, has a paltry 892 registered players.

In the opening game at the weekend, China thumped Indonesia’s Rhinos 63-10. Then on Wednesday they clinched the title with a 74-17 demolition of India. The third and final match of the series, between tournament hosts Indonesia and India this coming weekend, will be for pride only.

Almost a decade ago China suffered one of the most dramatic turnarounds in international rugby fortunes when destroyed 94-0 by India in Delhi.

Six years earlier they had thumped the same opponent 50-15 in Hong Kong! What happened? Apparently China were fielding separate army and civilian national teams at the time. The trend did not continue.

China has, in fact, beaten most teams in Asian competition over the years, including current Top 3 competitor Malaysia, as well as Sri Lanka, Singapore, Thailand and 2011 World Cup qualifying repechage finalist Kazakhstan. They also drew with Hong Kong on one occasion.

The sport’s return to the Olympics has been a boost for rugby in the nation. China seems to be focusing on women’s 7s, and has been collecting silverware in regional competition.

Meanwhile, a men’s XVs university league has been set up, concentrated mainly in the south-east. Obviously this needs to be kept in perspective, and there is no doubt rugby remains virtually invisible in the country.

It was a shame the huge sponsorship offer from Alibaba had to be cancelled. The deal, reportedly worth $100m over ten years, involved “ten thousand schools and universities” and “thirty thousand coaches,” and sought to increase player numbers to “one million” over the next decade.

But it fell through last year when the government made sweeping changes to administration, and World Rugby CEO Brett Gosper himself complained of a lack of progress. Still, the potential is there in China, and so is the money, and if they can get their women’s 7s team into the Olympics (conceivable) we might see the sport begin to take off there.

India is another story. Yes, rugby was introduced about the same time as it was to New Zealand and just a decade or so after South Africa. But it was confined to the white ruling class (as was the case in Southern and East Africa), and disappeared in the middle of last century when India gained independence.

The modern board of Indian rugby was set up in the late 1960s and only gained affiliation to World Rugby around the turn of this century. India also has a victory over current Top 3 competitor Malaysia to its credit.

Luke Wallace, centre, of Harlequins Football Club of England plays rugby with underprivileged Indian children at a coaching camp in Kolkata, India. (AP Photo/Bikas Das)

Other than that, it’s 94-0 annihilation of China in 2010 remains its outstanding achievement on the international stage.

Interestingly the domestic scene was dominated for some time by the Armenian College of Calcutta. As recently as 2011, talented Armenian-Indian fullback Emil Vartazarian represented the Asian Barbarians against Japan.

Rugby is an integral part of the two centuries old school, which fielded the first non-British team on the sub-continent 145 years ago.

India, of course, gave the game of rugby its first ever international trophy. Teams were selected along English and Celtic lines, and the game proved so successful they decided to arrange a return-match a week later.

Thus the Calcutta Football Club was formed – football referring to rugby in this instance (though the club did later convert to soccer).

Membership was exclusively white and featured games involving military, public schools and merchants and brokers teams, among others. The sport was taken up by various clubs, including the Bombay and Madras gymkhanas.

A sign outside the former’s clubrooms shamefully reads “Dogs and Indians Not Allowed.”

Playing numbers were never high, with most members preferring to spectate rather than play. The hot climate undoubtedly had a little to do with that.

In fact, the Calcutta rugby team folded as early as 1877 for lack of numbers. They had about 60 quid left in the bank and decided to draw it out in silver rupees, melt it down and have a cup made out of it by Indian artisans.

This they donated to the RFU, who put it at stake in the annual England vs Scotland match. And that’s the history of the Calcutta Cup.

The Calcutta Cup (AP Photo/Alastair Grant)

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2019-06-29T11:46:12+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Hong Kong really needs to be playing Japan again. This tournament was a waste of time for them. Meanwhile, if Rapid Rugby goes ahead next year, that should provide some meaningful opposition for the South China Tigers.

AUTHOR

2019-06-29T11:42:45+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


India won the last game 42-12 over hosts Indonesia to finish second to China. Meanwhile, Hong Kong crushed Korea 64-3

AUTHOR

2019-06-28T19:48:54+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Shame for those guys, two strongest clubs in Russia out in the middle of nowhere. At least they've got their local rivalry going for them!

2019-06-28T19:13:56+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Let's hope for the best option. EPCR does not want to see them in the Challenge Cup, and Moscow lobby does not want to see them in the Russian championship. Therefore, Rapid Rugby is perfect for them. Interesting strong rivals from different countries. And a good calendar that allows you to play at home in good weather, unlike the Challenge Cup.

AUTHOR

2019-06-28T18:46:24+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Could work, but I think they'll go with a single league and there may not be any Japanese involvement.

2019-06-28T17:11:03+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


I see two options. Krasny Yar, Enisei-STM, Japanese clubs and Hong Kong can form the Northern Rapid Rugby Conference. Play at home \ away. A playoff against the teams of the Southern Conference. But ideally the option to play with everyone, if there are 12 or more teams, then you can play like Super Rugby in 1 match against each opponent.

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2019-06-28T16:52:49+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


I've heard the same from a Russian contact. Not sure how that will go. I think they should just stick to South East Asia & the Pacific and not over-extend themselves. But it could be interesting...

2019-06-28T16:30:33+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Signal about the possibility of participation of clubs from Krasoyarsk to Rapid Rugby. The head of Russian rugby, Igor Artemyev, at a meeting with the Japanese ambassador to Russia, said about a joint tournament with the Japanese. The Japanese clubs will play Rapid Rugby in the 2020 season. It is logical that Enisei-STM and Krasny Yar can play there. I hope that at the World Cup in Japan, Artemyev will be able to talk in detail about this topic with the Japanese and the founder of Rapid Rugby. https://rugger.info/news/26523

2019-06-28T00:03:58+00:00

Pete

Guest


This last post was aimed at Max Power apologies Maxless

2019-06-27T23:48:00+00:00

Pete

Guest


Kiwikrs yes actually Indonesia [Rhinos] have 12 registered clubs...but if you want more competition you can also fly up to Malaysia where there are 41,050 registered players and an easier environment with wonderful food or if you fancy the wild side Thailand has 16,121 registered players some good choices there.

AUTHOR

2019-06-27T13:19:35+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Good luck!

2019-06-27T12:02:11+00:00

Kiwikrs

Roar Rookie


Great story and history lesson. On another note, I may need to move to Indonesia. With only 892 registered players even I might have a chance at test match rugby.

2019-06-27T08:33:09+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Great post Wingman. You have done those who get to read this a great service. Our universal game is more universal than we thought. At a time when sub-cultures in this country are shrinking into siege mode your expansive piece is welcome relief. I grew up in a town that had a strong rugby following. It is now not so, due to Asian ‘non-rugby’ immigration. It is great to see that, at least theoretically, it need not be so.

2019-06-27T07:26:40+00:00

Pete

Guest


Looks like Maxless has come over from the Dark Side to get his point across. Go onto the website Play Rugby USA check out the Youth Empowerment program run in the The Bronx New York i think if you had any compassion you would understand how Rugby has reached out to a lot of these poor underprivileged kids and taught them the meaning of friendship team play and team bonding. Please do not put it down embrace it for its compassionate qualities read what these kids have to say what there gone through and what life skills Rugby has taught them...seriously these kids have come from a tough upbringing in the streets of New York.

AUTHOR

2019-06-27T07:25:57+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Put it in GOOGLE, sorry (( ;

AUTHOR

2019-06-27T07:25:17+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Hi Paulie, the link didn't work for me but I put it in giggle and found the story. Very nice. Thanks for sharing.

AUTHOR

2019-06-27T07:21:02+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Brazil is one country which has made an effort to bring in the impoverished community. I always thought it was a posh schools sport in the US, but I guess they run programs to get others involved.

AUTHOR

2019-06-27T07:18:59+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


NZ 7s rep Rocky Khan was a mix of South Asian, Polynesian and Fijian ancestry. All Blacks fullback Matthew Ridge was of Armenian descendancy.

2019-06-27T04:42:49+00:00

Maxless

Guest


Max did you hear the US Rugby League team had a gofundme page to travel 4 hours for a game in Jamaica?? That's when you know a game has little following!

2019-06-27T02:34:06+00:00

max power

Guest


"US where it has a huge following amongst underprivaliged children" - nice quote, shame there is no truth in it at all

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